German Pocket 32's... Name Them!


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Badger Arms
August 19, 2004, 05:11 AM
Okay, I'd like a list of prominent German Pocket 32's made during WWII to include occupied countries' guns. To make it more difficult, let's list them in order of total numbers made during the war.... that's from 1939 till 1945 or whatever you would like to make your cutoff. This isn't a quiz, I really don't know and would like to know. Any pocket pistol collectors? Nazi buffs?

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max popenker
August 19, 2004, 06:00 AM
Walther PP http://www.hermann-historica-ohg.de/auktion/images46_kl/8202.jpg and PPK http://www.rockislandauction.com/GImages/GGG420-RIGHT.jpg in 7.65x17SR (yep, this is the proper name for your .32 ;)) come to mind first

Mauser HSc 7.65mm http://www.hermann-historica-ohg.de/auktion/images46_kl/26125.jpg is close second, with Mauser M34 http://www.hermann-historica-ohg.de/auktion/images46_kl/26129.jpg catching up...

Then... some Sauer pistols, but can't remember which models. Maybe M30 Behorden? and Sauer 38H http://www.rockislandauction.com/GImages/GGG329-RIGHT.jpg too

ah... Ortgies... http://www.hermann-historica-ohg.de/auktion/images46_kl/830.jpg how came that i forgot the Ortgies pistol?

max popenker
August 19, 2004, 06:02 AM
Not sure if FN continued to make smaller (than GP-35) guns under German occupation; but if they did, Browning M1910 will fill the bill

French under occupation obviously made some 7.65x17 guns, such as MAB Modele D http://www.rockislandauction.com/GImages/EGN232-LEFT.jpg and (probably) Unique

Czech CZ-27 http://www.hermann-historica-ohg.de/auktion/images46_kl/27132.jpg has been made under Germans in 7.65x17, too

Hungarian Pistolr Mod. 37 http://www.hermann-historica-ohg.de/auktion/images46_kl/822.jpg is the next one

also, there were plenty of pre-war designs still available, such as Dreyse 1907 http://www.hermann-historica-ohg.de/auktion/images46_kl/800.jpg or Langenhan http://www.hermann-historica-ohg.de/auktion/images46_kl/22301.jpg.

Onmilo
August 19, 2004, 10:16 AM
Doesn't get better than that!
Langenhan, the "Forehead Gun"

mtnbkr
August 19, 2004, 11:05 AM
Max

Maybe you know what this is...

While at Cabelas in Pennsylvania this weekend, I saw an FN pistol in their Gun Library (high end, collectors stuff) that I've never seen before. It was in 32acp and looked kind of like a Remington 51. I didn't catch the model number. This one was highly engraved and inlayed, so it was quite pricey, but I'd lik to find out if they are commonly available in a more pedestrian format. I like the 32acp cartridge and wouldn't mind finding a small to midsized pistol chambered in it.

Thanks,
Chris

Badger Arms
August 19, 2004, 04:37 PM
Okay:

Walther PP_____verified wartime production
Walther PPK____verified wartime production
Mauser HSC_____verified wartime production
Mauser M34_____wartime production?
Sauer 38H______verified wartime production
Ortgies________wartime production?
FN 1910/22_____verified wartime production
French MAB D___was this 32 ACP or some other French Caliber?
CZ 27__________verified wartime production
Hungarian P37__verified wartime production
Dreyse 1907____wartime production?
Langenham______wartime production?

And of course, I still would like production numbers. Don’t really know where to find this info either.

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rjk2475
August 19, 2004, 04:40 PM
can anyone supply more info on those made by j. p. sauer & sohn?

Badger Arms
August 19, 2004, 05:32 PM
The Sauer 38H was the predecessor to the modern Sig 230 and shares many features such as the single-stack mag, blowback operation, and similarly located decocking lever. The "H" was a shrouded hammer fired gun with a combination cocking/decocking lever. This lever served the same purpose as a manual safety in that the pistol was safe to carry decocked. Readying the pistol was not necessary and early pistols lacked a manual safety system. To compete with the Mauser HSC and Walther PP, Sauer added a slide-mounted safety and most will have this safety. Later in the war, Sauer again omitted this safety but this time it was for the sake of simplification. Good pistol. Early pistols had durable matte-finish grips. Later grips were VERY fragile and the majority of these grips will have the left panel cracked in some way. Later reproduction grips are hardly better. Most of these are walking around with reproduction grips:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=1191693

shoobe01
August 19, 2004, 05:53 PM
I have never been clear about which caliber, but sorta assume .32 instead of .380. Anyway, I am talking about the Star Bonifacio Echeverria Model S

S 1940- 1983
Miniaturized model B series - Very common series, identical guns in .32 and .380; used by WW2 Luftwaffe

This is -- proudly claimed to be -- the only WW2 german issue gun not bearing nazi proofs. They trusted the quality of the star pistols and the spanish proofhouses enough.

Some places I talk about the S:
http://www.donttouchme.com/star/new/guns/s/index.shtml
http://www.donttouchme.com/star/older/older.html

http://www.donttouchme.com/star/older/images/s-chet.gif

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
August 19, 2004, 07:15 PM
I thought the Browning M1910 /1922 was produced by the Nazis after Belgium fell. Also, wasn't there a Beretta 1935/1936 in .32 as well as .380?

Regards,
Rabbit.

Hand_Rifle_Guy
August 19, 2004, 09:55 PM
Also include the Astra 300, the litle brother of the Largo-chambered 400 and the Nazi-ordered 9mmP-chambered 600. It was available in .380 as well as .32, and apparently was quite popular in the Luftwaffe.

I've seen one with Nazi proof-marks, it was a .32 IIRC.

Sorry, I have no clue as to production numbers.

max popenker
August 20, 2004, 03:36 AM
> French MAB D___was this 32 ACP or some other French Caliber?
.32ACP
the 7.65x20 Longue was used only in Mle.1935A and 1935S pistols

> Hungarian P37__wartime production?
yes

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