the frustration of 1911 ownership...


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HD
August 19, 2004, 08:31 PM
its like this , 35+ years with 1911's and a resulting distrust and disaffection for all other autoloaders...(with one small exception*)
so , what to do ?
having owned or used everything except korth and the p7 in 45 i find myself at a loss for a pistol that comes anywhere close to a proper 1911...*
ruger p90 , nice accurate reliable , but just doesn't do it...
h&k uspc , same as above ...
s&w , walther, glock , sig* , a schiesspile of others , just don't do it for me ...
so what do you do ? you know you can't improve on what you have ...
??? or can you ???
ideas anyone ???

:confused: :scrutiny: :uhoh:

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Rival
August 19, 2004, 08:43 PM
Hey - that's easy! Just get another 1911 ;)
There can never be too many of them.
If you have too many factory made ones, get another custom!

Chipperman
August 19, 2004, 08:48 PM
You found something you like, and no others turn you on.
What's the problem?

Rival
August 19, 2004, 08:49 PM
Why does it have to be .45s though? I found Browning Hi Power to be an exceptional pistol! You might want to give them a try.

XLMiguel
August 19, 2004, 08:53 PM
A good 1911 is like a balanced and blueprinted small block Chevy - sweetness and light. It isn't the most modern design, but one can't argue with results, eh? There are plenty of fine firearms around, but ultimately, the measure of the machine is the pleasure it gives you to operate it. If you're happy, I'm happy for you. It's good to find satisfaction in various life pursuits. :cool: :D

Black Snowman
August 19, 2004, 08:54 PM
I'm not sure I understand the problem. Are you trying to find a gun to supliment your collection of 1911s that isn't another 1911? Or are you trying to find a replacement for something that has worked so well for you for so long? If so why? :confused:

I've found my nitch in CZ pistols. If you like arched MSH 1911s I find the grip similar although the CZs work slightly better for me. To correct their trigger issues (my only real gripe with them) you can get any of their guns converted to SAO by CZ USA or a local gunsmith.

So, what IS you're goal?

HD
August 19, 2004, 09:04 PM
it is the conclusion that having owned nearly everything worth owning in a handgun , i cannot improve on what i started with 35 years ago ...
ie: a 1911a1 and an S&W j-frame 38 (442)...
had all the CZ's had all the various off brands or had a chance to use them...
granted , i did order an S&W M-325PD in 45acp this week , but nothing else in the current crop of firearms has any real attraction...
the p90 - H&K , et al will be looking for new homes ...

natedog
August 19, 2004, 09:12 PM
By P7, you mean the HK P7M7, correct? The P7M8 in .45ACP?

http://www.hkpro.com/p7m7.htm

http://www.hkpro.com/p7m7left.jpg

HD
August 19, 2004, 09:18 PM
oh , yeah ... that i would buy just to have...

Paul "Fitz" Jones
August 19, 2004, 09:42 PM
I just love and baby my Colt series 70 National Match Gold Cup and shoot nothing larger than a 200gr H&G 068 bullets in it. I carry it when wearing a suit and it is also my bullseye weapon of choice for a few decades you can tell.

Fitz

Safety First
August 19, 2004, 09:50 PM
Valtro ?

Rich357
August 19, 2004, 09:59 PM
Smith & Wesson Performance Center 952 9mm. It is a very nicely made target pistol.

Rich

Gunz
August 19, 2004, 10:19 PM
All of my 1911 get FMJ for fodder. They all work, feed, extract, and eject. Yup. Slim, heavy, practical. Now, if you need a 45 in a different platform.....nothing else out there does it like a 1911. As an owner of G36, 30, 21, P90, P97, 625, 25, PD, CS45, P245, 220, etc., I always ask myself, "Why bother going back to a 1911?" I like the slim frame. I carry a Lightweight OFficer's. Yeah. The discontinued model. I do not own a Defender or any other Micro....yet. 1911s are designed for 230gr FMJ, they need brake cleaner in the cruddy spots like extractors and trigger zone and then lubed in the trigger. A detailed cleaning is really helpful. I always go back to the 1911 for slimness. I go back to 45 COlt in revolver form.

Damon
August 19, 2004, 10:22 PM
HD,

You can't improve on a 1911. Just get more of them.:D

Berg01
August 20, 2004, 11:47 AM
I have a CZ 75B in .40; I think it complements my SW1911 very well. As far as the CZ, you would probably want a manual safety version, vs. the decocker model; this config would make it closer in operation to the 1911. You might find an older CZ 75 (pre "B" - no firing pin block), these tend to have smoother, lighter triggers than the newer "B" models. But you can get a "B" with a smooth trigger out of the box, or you could always have some action work done to to make it lighter and smoother. I was lucky with mine, it came out of the box with a decent trigger.

halvey
August 20, 2004, 12:48 PM
You can't improve on a 1911. Just get more of them And maybe try different calibers. A 9mm 1911 is kind of neat, although I sold both of mine. And you can get into the bigger 1911 like .460 Rowland, .45 Super, heck even 10mm.

Then again, if you reload, you can do a LOT with the .45 if you are adventurous.

Skunkabilly
August 20, 2004, 12:52 PM
Dude, you found something you like, now what in the heck is wrong with that?

Get more 1911s or even better, spend money and time on a new hobby!

middy
August 20, 2004, 02:29 PM
You found the perfect pair 35 years ago. The 1911a1 and the j-frame .38 . I appreciate the fact that you're slightly disappointed at not finding something better after all these years, but look at it this way, is Eric Clapton going to find something better than a Fender Stratocaster? You can't improve on perfection. :D

BTW, I've come to the conclusion that those are the perfect pair for me as well. Great minds think alike. ;)

halvey
August 20, 2004, 02:38 PM
is Eric Clapton going to find something better than a Fender Stratocaster? Apparently he hasn't played a Les Paul...:)

Edward429451
August 20, 2004, 02:41 PM
Man, that's not a frustration of ownership, it's an acheivement.

So you wrecked the curve and got it right early on, good for you! How many others had to wade thru the junk and finally make their way to a 1911? Think of the $$ lost for them.:D

baker
August 21, 2004, 12:28 AM
I think this is a really amusing thread.

I've been shooting less than 2 years, bought a J-frame 38/357 (640-1), then a 1911 (Dan Wesson Patriot). I keep thinking, what to buy next? These are a perfect pair for carry (one or the other, I haven't felt the need for both ;) ).

Believe it or not, the local gun store steered me towards both purchases, and after LOTS of shopping around, they were right!!

I guess it'll be a 22 target pistol, probably Ruger slabside. I can't see I'm missing anything else that I'd like to have right now, and I have rented/borrowed several different makes.

Marshall
August 21, 2004, 12:58 AM
Wheel gun time! Seriously.

Shmackey
August 21, 2004, 01:23 AM
Apparently he hasn't played a Les Paul...

Yes he has. He's played all the Gibsons. Went to Fenders about 30+ years ago, but that was after Cream, the Yardbirds, etc.

Back to guns: I've also owned most kinds. I've given up trying to find a centerfire gun that I like as much as a good 1911. I'm just not going to bother with others--not for a long while, anyway.

Iggy
August 21, 2004, 04:41 AM
I've got a good and beautiful woman and a good and beautiful 1911 handgun.
I've had both of them over 35 years.

I seen fancier models of both, but I like and trust mine
I think I'll keep the both.

I'm lucky it worked out that way.

:)

Matthew_Q
August 21, 2004, 05:03 PM
You mean there are other handguns besides the 1911???

j/k... I have a couple, but always keep a 1911 in the stable. It just comes down to the looks and feel. NOTHING comes close to how CLASSY the 1911 looks, and how NICE it feels in my hands.

I do like my CZ75B.. it's only a hair wider than my 1911, and it feels good, also... but doesn't have the great single action trigger... When I use it for IDPA, I carry Condition 1, so the draw and action are similar. Draw, flick the safety off, aquire target, and squeeze. Though the last couple matches I've gone to, I've taken the 1911 with instead.

Every time I hold it, I fall in love with it again... no other pistol has done that for me yet..

magsnubby
August 21, 2004, 08:26 PM
Let me see if i've got this stright....you own a 1911 and don't have a Hi-Power to go with it? Is that legal?

HD
August 21, 2004, 11:56 PM
yup , cpprk (communist party PRK) doesnt have a 40 or 45 cal HP on their list , so i've never bought one...
never was that impressed with the QC on the 9mm either , not when you can push a 355 bullet down the bore with a dowel cause its so oversize...
feel no loss at not owning an HP...

magsnubby
August 23, 2004, 04:39 AM
But they look so cute together.

HD
August 24, 2004, 12:43 AM
But they look so cute together.



and this is somehow important ?
the p35 is a horribly overrated pistol , really no better than an mab p15 , or an S&W 59 , or a pos colt 2000............................................................................
as a 40S&W it begins to justify its exsistance in spite of brownings horrible QC...

oh welll maybe someday they'll get it right...

Marshall
August 24, 2004, 12:50 AM
In re: to a BHP 9mm.........oh welll maybe someday they'll get it right...


ROFLMAO! Yea, maybe someday that old POS 9mm Hi-Power will be made right.



yup , cpprk (communist party PRK) doesnt have a 40 or 45 cal HP on their list , so i've never bought one...

Bet that's not the only reason you've never bought a .45 Hi-Power! LMAO :D

HD
August 24, 2004, 07:37 AM
well there was that 'slobbovian' HP clone in 45acp and the HP-Practical i fired was quite nice (for an HP) but the calicommies say no to both of them unless you find a used one somewhere in the state of commiefaggua...
so i just struggle thru life without a p-35 of any kind ...

swingset
August 24, 2004, 07:40 AM
Sig 220.

If you can't appreciate the rugged, purpose-built beauty of the Siggy, then you're not a pistol fan!

So there! Oh, and I love 1911's too. :D

twoblink
August 24, 2004, 10:06 AM
Steyr.

Ric
August 24, 2004, 03:22 PM
I can't believe nobedy has said this yet.........Para LDA.

Marshall
August 24, 2004, 04:29 PM
HD, really? Is the FNH/BHP not on their approved list in Kali? (I don't know their laws).

That's Un-American! Get a rope!

Hand_Rifle_Guy
August 24, 2004, 08:07 PM
Have you tried a Sig 210? They're supposed to be...wonderful.

Of course, the 210's just a 9mm, so it might not meet your needs. Just a suggestion.

The P7-M7 is making me drool. How come I've never heard of such a critter before? Don't they get sold on this side of the pond?

jed
August 25, 2004, 03:56 PM
The object of hand gunning is to become proficient. If proficiency comes to you in a 1911 suit, so what!!

Well the so what could have something to do with proficiency at what price??

I own enough 1911s and the total cost of the dollars spent is staggering.
In my opinion, that is a very good style of gun to master and not dilute one's time and money on something different. Different isn't always better, it is just well.......different!

22luvr
August 25, 2004, 04:09 PM
I'm one of the poor pathetic individuals who has NEVER owned a 1911 !! Good grief! I'm 58 years old and have shot them numerous times but never had one to call my very own.

But, that is about to change. I'm planning on buying a Springfield Armory GI model. I've laid hands on it and I just gotta-gotta have it!

prezzz
August 27, 2004, 02:16 PM
I must be having an "off" day. After reading all of these answers, I still don't know what the question is? http://members.cox.net/rtset/Gifs/headscratch.gif http://members.cox.net/rtset/Gifs/crazy.gif

Tim
August 27, 2004, 11:15 PM
the p35 is a horribly overrated pistol , really no better than an mab p15 , or an S&W 59 , or a pos colt 2000............................................................................
as a 40S&W it begins to justify its exsistance in spite of brownings horrible QC...

oh welll maybe someday they'll get it right... :rolleyes:

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