How many of you have a C&R Licence?


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DMK
December 29, 2002, 05:21 PM
Just wondering how many have a class 3 FFL

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Schuey2002
December 29, 2002, 05:43 PM
My vote is for, "Nope,don't have one,but really want one!"

Where's TexasVet? [thinking out loud,;)]

This sounds like his kinda thread. :D

Mike
December 29, 2002, 05:54 PM
I've got one but have yet to use it. :(

Gewehr98
December 29, 2002, 07:03 PM
Use it too much.

DMK
December 29, 2002, 07:23 PM
Since we already got one "huh, what the heck", I guess I'm obliged to explain:

A C&R is a class 3 Federal Firearms Licence (a dealer is class 1) that allows one to legally aquire firearms that are condisered "Curios or Relics" via interstate commerce. For example as a C&R Licencee, I'm allowed to purchase a 1943 M1 Carbine from anybody who is legally allowed to sell one and have them ship it right to my home. I can also sell sell and ship said carbine to a class 01 FFL licencee or another class 03 licencee.

Another benefit of getting a C&R licence is you can purchase right from the wholesalers where dealers get their import stuff. Obviously, you get stuff at a great discout over dealer and gunshow price. Some parts warehouses give 03 FFL licencees discounts also.

The only caveats are, you can not buy to sell. All purchases must be for your own collection, although you can sell or trade off firearms you get tired of or ones that you feel don't fit your needs. You must also keep a "bound book" record of all purchases and dispositions of C&R firearms. This book may be examined by the BATF by appointment, but I have yet to hear of anybody who has had their books examined.

C&R firearms are any firearms over 50 years old and/or unique and of collector interest (Yugo SKS and CZ-52s are good examples). The BATF maintains a large list of C&R firearms:
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/curios/index.htm

To apply, fill out the application and make two copies, then sign them both. Send one copy to the ATF with a check for $30. Send the other to your local Sheriff or Police Chief (whichever has juristiction for your home) with instructions to file. It does not require their approval or even any notice that they received it. The licence is good for three years.

Here's the application form:
http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/pdfs/print2.htm

Applying for and using one is way easy. Paying off the credit cards will be the hard part!


More info:

http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#g

http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/nlc/ffl/faqs_collect.htm

Hkmp5sd
December 29, 2002, 07:55 PM
Got one. Thanks to it, got no money.

Mr. Hankey
December 29, 2002, 08:35 PM
I got mine about a year ago.

After you send copies to C&R dealers, you receive monthly wholesale flyers with both C&R and non C&R specials.

If I find something I want that's not C&R I just have it shipped to my FFL.

I still get the wholsale price, and just pay a $25 transfer fee. Which still comes out to way less than I could buy it for at a gun shop.

Dave Markowitz
December 29, 2002, 08:40 PM
I don't have one yet, but I actually downloaded the PDF format application today. Since most of the guns I get lately are old milsurps, I figure that if I get a C&R license, it'll pay for itself with the first gun I get.

Yuck Mouth
December 29, 2002, 09:00 PM
I'm considering a C&R license and have some questions.
Does it matter what color the paper you print the forms out on is? I read somewhere that the paper has to be green.
Where do you get copies of your license to send to dealers? Do send away to the ATF?
How different for the process for buying full auto C&R guns?

AZTOY
December 29, 2002, 09:12 PM
Yuck Mouth

http://www.cruffler.com/becomingcruffler.html

Kevinch
December 29, 2002, 09:24 PM
Yep - got one, & would use it more except my daughter is in college & my wife wants to remodel..... :(

ShaiVong
December 29, 2002, 09:34 PM
How hard is it to get a FFL Dealers license? I would assume its WAYY more expensive, otherwise gun stores would be extinct :p

PATH
December 29, 2002, 10:06 PM
I got one and am loving it! Boy, my money goes so fast now!:D

telewinz
December 29, 2002, 10:11 PM
I had one until recently but I never used it. Having kids at home I didn't want any guns shipped without me being home and the kids would be. They say adult signature for UPS but I've never seen it enforced. Also buying C&R guns sight unseen did not and does not seem wise to me.

DMK
December 29, 2002, 10:13 PM
Does it matter what color the paper you print the forms out on is? I read somewhere that the paper has to be green. Print the form on white paper.
Also buying C&R guns sight unseen did not and does not seem wise to me. Most of the dealers I've dealt with have excellent return policies, but be sure to tune into the C&R forums before making purchases. The good deals are highly praised and the bad deals are loudly bashed.

Hkmp5sd
December 29, 2002, 10:26 PM
ShaiVong,

To get a Dealer - 01-FFL these days requires you to have an actual storefront and set up an actual business. That includes all applicable business licenses, tax forms and insurance.

The days of a having an FFL to get yourself and friends guns at wholesale price are gone forever. The 03-FFL is still better than nothing and each year, a large number of guns become qualified as C&R.

BenW
December 29, 2002, 10:50 PM
I just got mine in the mail last week. Under 15 days from the time I mailed the app(woulda been 14 except for no mail delivery on Christmas).

Now the question is where to put the extra safe....:D

thisaway
December 29, 2002, 10:58 PM
I just sent in my paperwork this week, so I should have mine soon! :)

Fly320s
December 29, 2002, 11:51 PM
Mailed my paperwork in about two weeks ago. Hoping to get the license soon.

TexasVet
December 30, 2002, 12:03 AM
I'm here! Been driving back from the g'kids in Jawja! (I'm beginning to really hate I-10!)
Yep, I have mine and I LOVE IT!!!:D It has saved me enough in transfer fees ALONE to pay for the license for the next 68+ years.

DMK
December 30, 2002, 03:35 PM
Wow! Almost 90% said they either have or want one. No wonder all those really good deals don't last long! :D

*8*
December 30, 2002, 04:25 PM
YeP, got one of 'em 03 (C&R) FFL.

For those folks who are planning on applying for a type 03 (C&R) license make sure to include a certificate of elgibility in your application. I believe it is required right after 9/11.

TeleWinz, most of the distributors out there like Century Arms are using a grading system such as -excellent/verygood/good/fair/u-fix-'em on their rifles and handguns. I find the grading system to be fairly accurate when receiving the rifles and handguns.

HKmp5sd, Not really. If you have an extra office space within your business then you can use that as a store front for an 01 FFL. I manage a 3 state network ops. center and used a small office space within one of our offices in OKC for an 01 FFL, it is under a company name though not mine.

Hkmp5sd
December 30, 2002, 10:11 PM
*8*,

Yep. But the kitchen table or desk in the den no longer works. I used to have an FFL with my house as the premises, but I let it go about 10 years ago and just kept my C&R.

5ptdeerhunter
December 30, 2002, 10:50 PM
I love milsurps so if I could get a C&R license I would, but I am only 16.

gunrunnerjohn
December 31, 2002, 03:27 PM
This is about 80% of my C&R pistol collection, so you can see that I've used my C&R WAY too much! :D:D

gunrunnerjohn's pistols (http://www.armscenter.com/johnwill/LargeGunPictures/Group_Picture.jpg)

Shockly
December 31, 2002, 04:01 PM
Two and a half months I've been waiting, since I applied.
I'll give BATF another call on Jan.2.
I just know, that everything good will be gone, by time I receive my License. :banghead: ;)
Oh, Yes. The BATF only recently put the requirement for a Certificate of Compliance on their web site.
I didn't send one, because I didn't know about it, and that will probably hold things up.
Hope I can get things straightened out Thursday.

MuzzleBlast
December 31, 2002, 04:12 PM
Does a gun have to be on the list to be C&R, or does any gun made =>50 years ago automatically qualify?

Mr. Hankey
December 31, 2002, 04:39 PM
Did all you other C&R FFLrs receive the latest BATF newsletter?.

I just got it the otherday.

cratz2
December 31, 2002, 05:34 PM
Dont have one but with my addictive personality, not so sure I should get one.

For the record, I voted for 'I'm probably going to get one in the future'.

GrantLee63
December 31, 2002, 07:41 PM
w:ar15:

I've sent my paperwork in on November 26th and I am still waiting ..... :cuss:

mbott
December 31, 2002, 08:07 PM
Had mine for over 5 years now and the discounts I get at Brownell's, Midway and other places have more than paid for the license itself. Well. actually, it helps a little to offset the debt I've picked up buying C&Rs. :)

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Mike

Engineer
December 31, 2002, 08:14 PM
I've had mine for about four months now and have already used it way too much (especially with the Yugo SKS's). Mine has also paid for itself in discounts at Brownells and Midway.

sam3
December 31, 2002, 08:21 PM
i got mine last week, it took just about 4 weeks to get it.

cwalker3
December 31, 2002, 08:22 PM
I've had mine for two years. As far as buying sight unseen, I've gotten about 35 guns with mine and only been mildly disappointed with one. If you buy from companies with good reputations, I think overall you'll be happy with what you get. And if you're not, these same companies are usually the easiest to work with when returning something.

I too have found that the discounts that Brownells and Midway gives for 03 holders to be worth more than the cost of the license. On several purchases I've made from Brownells, my cost has been less than 1/2 the price charged to the general public.

Hkmp5sd
December 31, 2002, 11:17 PM
Does a gun have to be on the list to be C&R, or does any gun made =>50 years ago automatically qualify?

Any gun older than 50 years is automatically a C&R. The C&R list is generally for guns that have been judged as "collectible" but are not old enough to be C&R. Of course, there are now a lot of collectible guns on the list that are also over 50 because they are too lazy to update the list accurately.

armabill
January 1, 2003, 12:43 AM
I got one.

jayhway
January 1, 2003, 01:07 AM
I've had my C&R for about 4 months now. I haven't used it to buy a rifle yet, but I've used it to get discounts at Brownells and Midwy. I also want to get a C&R handgun, but in CA you have to get COE (Certificate of Eligibility) if you want handguns delivered to your door.

armabill
January 1, 2003, 01:16 AM
I did the same as you jayhway. Got discounts at those places too but haven't gotten any guns yet. In time I might but who knows.

If the right one comes up at the right time and price, I'll get it. Just have to wait and see. I don't have any specific make or model in mind, not yet anyway.

BenW
January 1, 2003, 01:10 PM
but in CA you have to get COE (Certificate of Eligibility) if you want handguns delivered to your door.
Do any of you have a CA COE? How much of a hassle was it to get? I was figuring on just making a trip to the Reno gun show once or twice a year when I'm up that way fishing so I can escape extra paperwork (though I know I still have to register the handgun after I get back home).

Blackcloud6
January 1, 2003, 02:42 PM
I'm in the "I have one and use it too much" category!

WhoKnowsWho
January 1, 2003, 03:00 PM
I haven't picked one up and probably won't because then my collection will blow up like gunrunnerjohn's setup! :)

Every month, I can see it now, oh, that's just $75, that's just $100. Too easy if stuff just gets delivered to my door.

gunrunnerjohn
January 1, 2003, 03:08 PM
I figure that I've saved $2000-2500 on FFL fees, so there's a dozen more guns in my pistol collection that I didn't have to pay for.:D

*8*
January 1, 2003, 10:09 PM
HKmp5sd, I hear ya, the good 'ole days are gone when folks can get an 01FFL using their residence address as the premise address. On the other hand, some states with a less restrictive zoning laws allow 01FFL holders to operate in their residence address.

Good thinking folks, in between the wholesale price/cost per gun and no FFL fees, you can get discounts from companies such as Brownells using your 03 (C&R) FFL.

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