[Foreign Devil]

Under attack by fellow liberals I guess.

Check it out:

http://liberalforum.org/liberalforum//index.php?showtopic=1952

http://liberalforum.org/liberalforum//index.php?showtopic=1930

http://liberalforum.org/liberalforum//index.php?showtopic=21&st=45

[Warbow]

He seems to be holding his own.

I can't stay there for long, that site logo at the top with Kerry and Edwards creeps me out.

[EricOKC]

I found it very difficult to read. Hard to believe there are people that stupid. I thought that degree of liberal was a joke - nope, they're quite real.

One of the great enlightened over there even thought the US Constitution was written over 300 years ago.

[R.H. Lee]

I can't stay there for long, that site logo at the top with Kerry and Edwards creeps me out.
{{shudder}} It had the same effect on me. Kerry looks like an overtanned horse-head and Edwards looks like some kinda girlyman. Weird.

Here's a couple of blurbs from that forum:
As for your question about why the average joe shouldn't have access to assault rifles, are you joking? You really want your next door neighbor packing an AK-47? Would YOU feel safe with someone close to where you live possessing such a weapon? If so, God help the rest of us who possess an ounce of common sense. Like I said, I've no problem with ordinary people having conventional guns, but military and military-type weapons have only one real purpose and that's to kill other people. Hunting rifles and hand guns can be used for obtaining meat, and for protection from criminals. They are not meant exclusively for killing human beings like assault weapons are.
and
I would indeed care if you owned a Springfield 1903 or an M1 Garand. My brother, who is a police dispatcher, owns a rifle with a scope on it and I am always nervous whenever I go over to his place.


:p

[AZRickD]

Wow. That's a lot of wasted bandwidth.

So many opinions, so little thought.

Rick

[EricOKC]

Gotta wonder about the thought process of some of those people.

Oh wait a second....nothing to wonder about :D

[Standing Wolf]

My brother, who is a police dispatcher, owns a rifle with a scope on it and I am always nervous whenever I go over to his place.

Leftists are individuals who sincerely believe their nervousness trumps the nation's civil rights.

[Wildalaska]

Leftists are individuals who sincerely believe their nervousness trumps the nation's civil rights.

Can sort of say that bout the Ashcroft crowd too...

WildtoomuchsteaktonightAlaska

[sekdar]

the funny part is is that the guy in the first thread worries about neighbors owning weapons, but he himself owns weapons (knives).

[PMDW]

the funny part is is that the guy in the first thread worries about neighbors owning weapons, but he himself owns weapons (knives).

I have noticed that alot of the anti-gun liberals that I have talked to (all male) say they hate guns, want to ban guns, don't want people having guns, etc., but all of them have a heavy interest in knives. I've asked them why they hate guns, but like knives, and the usual response I get is "guns are cowardly, with knives you have to get up close to someone, instead of shooting them from a mile away". I find it odd that it's not justo ne or two people, but almost every one I meet.

[schizrade]

I have noticed that alot of the anti-gun liberals that I have talked to (all male) say they hate guns, want to ban guns, don't want people having guns, etc., but all of them have a heavy interest in knives. I've asked them why they hate guns, but like knives, and the usual response I get is "guns are cowardly, with knives you have to get up close to someone, instead of shooting them from a mile away". I find it odd that it's not justo ne or two people, but almost every one I meet.

I hear that on occasion and I am floored. These people have never seen a knife wound! I watched my friend get stabbed at a party in high school and it was absolutely the worst thing I have ever seen. He got stabbed with a Ka-Bar 4 times in the chest and stomach. Almost died. The guy that stabbed him immediately started throwing up, ran into the bathroom and went into some sort of shock. My friend got better but the perp ended up in the CYA psyche ward followed by Vacaville.

Rather fight with knives my ass! That is some REAL sh*t! (pardon the profanity, but it is true)

[gunsmith]

then to even look at the "liberal forum" I learnt my lesson on another forum.

Liberals base their beliefs concerning guns on fear and fear alone,they know they can not be trusted with an AK or AR so they don't want anyone else to have one either,they think if they can not be trusted then no one can be trusted.
Liberals will never admit it but racism comes into play here as well,thats why they pack the jails and prisons with poor Blacks and Latino's for the "crime" of gun possession.

[R32]

I think the problem is the liberal philosophy of "do anything you feel like", which is a BAD attitude to have when using guns. Liberals have a hard time understanding that most people CAN handle the responsibility of owning firearms. The problem stems from the fact that they don't believe themselves capable of such a responsibility, therefore they come to the logical (too them) conclusion that no one else can really handle the responsibilities of owning firearms (let alone carry them in public).

I believe any clear thinking person (who hasn't been swayed by the anti-gun rhetoric) that believes in personal accountability, sees little problem with law-abiding gun owners. The problem is that this group also happens to be the easiest to sway one way or the other because of there lack of knowledge about the true facts of gun ownership and the 2nd amendment. Liberals use there own extreme fear of guns to try to convince other people that guns are simple too dangerous for a "normal citizen" to own. With that being said, it was nice too see some liberals (I think there was only one actually) with a perspective that wasn't blinded by irrational fear.

[Bainx]

Can sort of say that bout the Ashcroft crowd too...

Amen brother, Amen

[MP5]

Like I said, I've no problem with ordinary people having conventional guns, but military and military-type weapons have only one real purpose and that's to kill other people.

Phew! Thank goodness an expert clarified that before I harmed any more paper targets. It turns out I've been misusing guns all this time since I've never pointed a firearm at another living thing.

Can sort of say that bout the Ashcroft crowd too...

Exactly. Funny how lots of folks don't mind when the Bush administration gets nervous about terrorists and then starts trampling on our civil rights.

[Treylis]

I have noticed that alot of the anti-gun liberals that I have talked to (all male) say they hate guns, want to ban guns, don't want people having guns, etc., but all of them have a heavy interest in knives. I've asked them why they hate guns, but like knives, and the usual response I get is "guns are cowardly, with knives you have to get up close to someone, instead of shooting them from a mile away". I find it odd that it's not justo ne or two people, but almost every one I meet.

I hear that ALL THE TIME, but I've got a set of excellent personal responses. I've been in a knife fight, it was messy, bloody, nasty, and generally unpleasant. I was outnumbered and was thankfully able to run away in the end. I never, ever want to get in a knife fight--or any other type of fight, for that matter--so I don't play unless I play for keeps.

Then I talk about how my father whose legs are now crippled, who requires a cane to walk... how's he supposed to defend himself? He's not going to be doing any swift footwork or running away, that's for sure. And my stepmother just doesn't have the strength of a male. She's far from weak but, well... men are just that much more powerful. How are either of them--especially my father--going to defend themselves without their guns?

If I absolutely had to, I could defend myself with just a knife or my bare hands. Then again, I'm 6'6" and about 205 pounds. Not everyone is big, fast, or strong enough to use muscle-powered weapons, especially against superior numbers.

Exactly. Funny how lots of folks don't mind when the Bush administration gets nervous about terrorists and then starts trampling on our civil rights.

Guys, Standing Wolf is voting Libertarian, if I recall correctly. :neener:

[NC Shooter]

Read the last thread posted. There is a section labeled "For Liberals Only" when the non-liberal made a post in that thread his posts were deleted.

So much for free speech in the liberal forum.

[tyme]

The best part has already been quoted a few times.
I would indeed care if you owned a Springfield 1903 or an M1 Garand. My brother, who is a police dispatcher, owns a rifle with a scope on it and I am always nervous whenever I go over to his place.
and
And I never said the ban was without flaws. Obviously if they weren't covered under it then there needs to be a ban that does cover such weapons. Again, I have no problem with people keeping hunting rifles or guns that are for home defense.
What does Michael K. think hunting rifles typically are, other than a rifle with a scope?

[bailer]

Nobody ever made a hunting rifle out of an 03 Springfield have they?:rolleyes:

[Carlos Cabeza]

Ohhhh I'm soooo scared my neighbor has an AK-47 :what: :rolleyes: Whatever dude....................................:rolleyes:

[standby]

I would be scared if my neighbor had an AK-47!

Scared of which of my personal posessions I will be selling to finance my own AK-47. Gotta keep up with the Jones'!

[spacemanspiff]

okay, i want the 20 minutes i spent reading those assinine threads back.

[jnojr]

ROFLMAO! They need a "Liberals Only" area to shield themselves from any dissenting opinions!

They're freakin' killing me, man! :D

[SIGarmed]

Well, I for one am against assult weapons. I would be much happier if my family or myself was killed by a handgun or a drunk driver. If they were killed by an assult weapon I would just be devastated.

This one was great. :D

[longrifleman]

These people vote and their votes count the same as yours.


Sleep well children.

[boofus]

Nothing you can do about that... even if you shot em all dead there would still be Democrats being elected from all the graveyard votes.

[JG]

Well, I for one am against assult weapons. I would be much happier if my family or myself was killed by a handgun or a drunk driver. If they were killed by an assult weapon I would just be devastated.


Yeah, I'll 2nd this comment as well..........funny.

[Norton]

This is the stuff that scares me. We're not just fighting the people who don't have guns, we're fighting gun owners:


>>I finally decided to give in to purchasing guns for "home defensive" purposes after I had some disks removed in my back, and my trusty aluminum bat option has grown less of an option, with age.

I don't buy a word of what the NRA says, nor do aAI support them.

I don't believe the 2nd Amendment has been correctly interpretted, and even gives individuals the right to own guns (except for police, etc.).<<


What a dipwad......:rolleyes:

[reagansquad]

I'm a liberal, but I'm an independent voter. I base my oppinions on certain issues on 2 things; factual data and the constitution. This web site has taught me that wrong liberals piss me off just as much as wrong conservatives.

[Art Eatman]

reagansquad, by and large a politico's views on guns reflect his views about concepts such as liberty and individual sovereignty. That generally makes a pol's gun rating from GOA or whomever valid as a litmus test, overall, about his political probabilities.

Doesn't mean perfection, of course, but nobody's perfect...

Art

[DRZinn]

A forum where you're supposed to report what your beliefs are before you can post? Ludicrous. But I'm in the fray anyway....

[Frohickey]

I dunno.

I think the gun owners in the Liberal Forum can pretty much hold their own.

[Cacique500]

I read all three links and that was some pretty scary stuff :what:

Did anybody else want to reach out and b*tchslap 'Treat'? :banghead:

[R.H. Lee]

I read all three links and that was some pretty scary stuff

More power to 'ya. If I tried that, my head would explode. With any luck, they'll start eating their young.

[molonlabe]

I'm sorry but I got to the 2nd page and almost puked. :barf: :barf:
There is no reasoning with these people because they are ignorant of what they are trying to talk about. I reminds me of some stoned hippies trying to discuss Quantum Mechnics, String theory or Cosmology. It would take me months to even begin to educate these morons.

[misANTHrope]

I also am really fond of the fact that they need a "Liberals ONLY" forum where they can discuss matters among themselves without the annoyance of dissenting viewpoints... :rolleyes:

[Foreign Devil]

Ha! He shut the thread down when he was losing! Read the last couple pages.

http://liberalforum.org/liberalforum//index.php?showtopic=1952&st=105

[nico]

haha didn't you know. . . pointing out a "liberal's" hipocracy to them is just as bad as posting non-"liberal" ideas in a liberals only zone.

[Frohickey]

hehehe... I started a new thread, which I hope would be a continuation of the previous one that was shut down. So far, no new posts at it. ;)

[R.H. Lee]

I'm not up for it at the moment, but here's an idea. One of us could register on that forum, under some name like "RenewAWB", or something, and take the anti position. In other words, illustrate absurdity by being absurd. Nothing over the top, be convincing; you know the arguments. It may be instructive for the liberals.

[hillbilly]

reagansquad, I hate to point this out to you....

But if you use your brain at all to make any sort of decision, you're probably not a REAL liberal...............


And I'm not flippantly repeating something heard over talk radio here.

I think it really is true........true liberals switch off their brains and go strictly from their bleeding hearts.


Current American Liberals are in many ways the modern-day descendants of the literary Romanticism of the early 1800s.......

For "thinkers" who run in literary Romantic circles, there is a creed, a faith....Heck, it is basically a form of religious belief, in the superiority of their thoughts, no matter what evidence may be brought to bear......

Here is a quick and dirty look at the value system of Romantics of the 1800s....And you can easily see what parts of this value system are still very much at work in the "thinking" of modern American Liberals.

1) Emotions, not the intellect, are the way to find ultimate truth (direct reaction against the Enlightment when intellect, not emotions, was the way to find ultimate truth).

2) Nature is superior to civilization, as nature is "uncorrupted" by the intellect of man, and is where you can go to have your big, emotional, truth-revealing experiences.

3) The individual is the most important social unit, especially when that individual is making decisions with his heart, not his head.

4) Youth and the young are superior to the older and the more experienced.....The Young are more likely to make emotion based decisions, and are thus less corrupted than the older (For more recent incarnations of this idea, see the 1960s counter culture mantra "Never trust anyone over 30" or check "The Logical Song" by SuperTramp)

5) Human nature is understood as being basically good. In fact, if humans would just be left alone to live out in nature and make emotional decisions, everything would pretty much be freakin' paradise according to this concept.......Thoreau's "Walden" is a Romantic literary example. But Golding's "Lord of the Flies" is a decidedly unromantic literary example.

6) Contradiction is perfectly acceptable, ever preferred (see Emerson's essay "Self Reliance" for the Transcedentalist Manifesto on this one). Contradicting yourself is in fact irrefutable proof that you are living with your heart, as human emotions change constantly and what is true today, may not be your truth tomorrow.


To see an almost perfect example of a modern version of a Romantic literary character, either read the novel or see the film version of Forest Gump. He is superior to everyone precisely because his brain is almost completely disconnected, and he has to rely on his emotions, which are developed approximately to the point of a four-year-old's.

Of course, today, in the year 2004, you take elements of this Romanticism and blend it with the toxic stew of Marxist Post-Modernism, and voila!!!! You get Michael Moore fans, A.N.S.W.E.R members, and Kerry campaign volunteers...........

hillbilly

[molonlabe]

I think the above then is a form of mental illness. I always suspected that of liberals. Probably due to all the drugs that took when they were young.

[ducktapehero]

Like I said, I've no problem with ordinary people having conventional guns, but military and military-type weapons have only one real purpose and that's to kill other people The Colt Single Action Army was a military weapon. As was the Brown Bess musket. I wonder if they mean these too, or is it just the black scary ones.

[MrAcheson]

Can sort of say that bout the Ashcroft crowd too...

You do realize that Ashcroft is the most pro-gun attorney general we have had in decades, right?

[Treylis]

You do realize that Ashcroft is the most pro-gun attorney general we have had in decades, right?

"I'd much rather by bitten by this snake than this other snake here guys--after all, they both have lethal venom, one just takes longer to kill you!"

[bbaerst]

Most people in this thread seem to cast off the link as liberal lameness, but I'm really happy to see all the support many active liberals have for gun rights. The thread starter seemed to be all by himself, but there seemed to be quite a few gun-rights supporters.

Just because you're liberal doesn't mean you're anti-gun. There are people such as myself who fully support gay marriage yet also stand for strong gun rights...

[Clean97GTI]

The thing that bothered me the most about that forum was the absolute lack of knowledge on what the 2nd amendment means. The feelings of those guys meant more to them than the rights of all citizens.

As a person who has been attacked by a knife wielding thug, I can attest to the usefulness of a gun on the hip. I made it out of my encounter with just a few minor cuts and a tetanus shot. Far too many others do not.

A gun on my hip would have averted the whole situation. Thats why I carry now.

[ssr]

Somebody help me! I've started posting on the Liberal Forum! I need somebody to slap me or something. It's like I can't stop banging my head against the wall or something. :uhoh:

[DRZinn]

I'm there too. If we get enough heads, maybe we'll break the wall down....

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[fistful]

Quite right about the knife nut/gun hater syndrome. A friend of mine came over to my apartment a while back, and brought his teenaged brother. When little brother saw all of the gun pictures on my computer, he started spouting some anti-gun nonsense. Later on, he started talking about how he would use a sword for self-defense. :confused:

I used to be a real knife nut, until I got pre-occupied with guns. Much neater toys, and way safer for self-defense. A sword may do more damage, but a gun keeps you at a safe distance.

[XLMiguel]

I must be bi-polar, I like guns and knives:D :neener:

[aut2no]

Ammo for your liberal board -

Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right or that it's too much of a public safety hazard don't see the danger in the big picture. They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the constitution they don't like. — Alan Dershowitz

The right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against tyranny, which though now appears remote in America, history has proven to be always possible. — Senator Hubert H. Humphrey


Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. — C. S. LEWIS


A Bill of Rights that means what the majority wants it to mean is worthless. — Justice Antonin Scalia

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. — Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and punishment (1764).


By calling attention to a well-regulated militia for the security of the Nation, and the right of each citizen to keep and bear arms, our Founding Fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny, which gave rise to the second amendment, will ever be a major danger to our Nation, the amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic military-civilian relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of the country. For that reason I believe the second amendment will always be important. --JOHN F. KENNEDY


"The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed—where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once. " -- Justice Alex Kozinski, US 9th Circuit Court, 2003


A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. THOMAS JEFFERSON

Gun control? It's the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters. I want you to have nothing. If I'm a bad guy, I'm always gonna have a gun. Safety locks? You will pull the trigger with a lock on, and I'll pull the trigger. We'll see who wins. — Sammy "The Bull" Gravano, whose testimony convicted John Gotti.

[Silent-Snail]

It stops when people draw lines at what is acceptable and what is not. I have noticed that when it comes to things like guns, people do generally know where to draw the line. Are you honestly going to tell me that you would have no problem if your next door neighbor brought home a bazooka? Or an anti-tank rocket launcher? You're right, somewhere it does have to stop but at the same time it also has to begin somewhere. That's why in a country such as America it is imperative for people to participate in government, and form groups to make sure that the government does not become overzealous in its laws and habits.

Found this on page 5 of the liberal site. The only way i would possably care what my neighbor is armed with is if said person had a criminal record for vilent crimes.

[aut2no]

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Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest. — Mahatma Gandhi