Iraq War...Wait or Go


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telewinz
February 19, 2003, 04:59 PM
As everyone knows their has been a great deal of talk and negotiation going on for months. You are the President of the United States and you must make a decision NOW based on the information you have. Whats it going to be?

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bogie
February 19, 2003, 05:07 PM
Hussein would have a "heart attack" this weekend.

blades67
February 19, 2003, 05:26 PM
Wait until Iraq invades France, then go.:D

Porter Rockwell
February 19, 2003, 05:26 PM
IF, in fact this exercise in mass brainwashing is about WMDs then hadn't someone remind the President that many other religously fanatical countries are a far more viable threat than Iraq!??
Has King George totally whiffed the India/Paki nuke contest?
The stinking Brits still believe they are Royally Ordained through bloodline.
China and Russia have nukes pointed at our homeland, has everyone forgotten about submarines that are nuclear capable?
Then there's the ultimate taboo subject of Israel and it's Forth largest military complete with nukes and their belief that someone chose them to run the world!

BigG
February 19, 2003, 05:29 PM
It all depends on the logistics. Once they are in place, pull the trigger.

bountyhunter
February 19, 2003, 05:48 PM
I think people miss the real point: this is not about oil, it's about taking care of business Texas-style. The reason George Bush Senior was a one-term loser was due in large part to Hussein thumbing his nose at him and survivng even stronger than he started out. Hussein was dead man walking the instant GWB and Jeb Bush hijacked the election.... he just didn't know it yet.

BigG
February 19, 2003, 05:51 PM
Heh heh. Not quite. GB senior was a big time loser long before the gulf war debacle. The minute he thumbed his nose at Ronald Reagan sometime in RR's 2nd term, GB1 lost all sympathy from me.

homeka45
February 19, 2003, 06:01 PM
Wait until all the pieces are in place, the weather and moon are optimal and get it over with.

telewinz
February 19, 2003, 06:24 PM
Its always been about OIL. Whats wrong about that? For decades our whole standard of living has been based on free flowing oil. Thats worth fighting to me, we have fought for worse reasons.

Porter Rockwell
February 19, 2003, 06:56 PM
England or Britain, whichever is correct these days.
Are there in fact any American oil companies left?
The last time I searched the net I found that BP was the outright owner or major shareholder in all the major oil companies!

Monkeyleg
February 19, 2003, 07:17 PM
If it's all about oil, and that simplistic, why haven't we stayed in the countries we've fought in and seized their wells? Why didn't we grab all the wells in Kuwait and Iraq?

It's not "all about oil," although even if it were, so what?

As for the original poll question, as soon as the troops are in place, go in.

4thHorseman
February 19, 2003, 07:19 PM
Lets Rock!!!

telewinz
February 19, 2003, 07:29 PM
The United States has already stated that they will "administer" the Iraq oil fields. I say its about time we learned our lesson. I'm willing to vote Iraqland our 51st state!:)

gryphon
February 19, 2003, 08:00 PM
blades67,

How many minutes after the invasion of France do the French surrender and turn Muslim? :D

Butch
February 19, 2003, 08:04 PM
I just paid $50.00 for a 3/4 tank of gas.
Lets go get that oil NOW!!!!!!


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bfason
February 19, 2003, 08:13 PM
I've been watching the Bush Administration beat the war drums over Iraq ever since they assumed office in 2001. Given the history of US foreign policy over the past two hundred years, I am naturally quite skeptical of all rationales that Washington puts forward for its wars and interventions. I did not make up my mind on the coming war until two weeks ago when I read _The Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq_ by Kenneth M. Pollack. I think it's safe to say that a war with Saddam is inevitable. We really do not have any good options. I hate to say it, but Saddam needs killin', and an invasion of Iraq is probably the least bad option over the long term. The alternative is to play the inspections shell game while Saddam bides his time and builds his nuclear weapons. If we waited until Saddam gets nukes, the price would be far higher.

My guess is that they will start the invasion the night of March 2 with the new moon in order to maximize coalition advantages. Our side is preparing for the world's fastest blitzkrieg, and it will probably be a very short war. Saddam is despised, and his Stalinist regime has ruled almost entirely through fear. His army is vastly outmatched by the Anglo-American coalition and suffers from terrible morale. Look for at least half of his army to immediately defect or desert as soon as coalition forces cross the border and race to Baghdad. Our soldiers will be hailed by Iraqis as liberators.

While the war itself will be short, the ensuing occupation and reconstruction will last several years.

So count me as a reluctant hawk. Let's hope that the war is remarkably fast and that casualties on all sides are minimized.

J Miller
February 19, 2003, 08:19 PM
I can't answer this question like I would want to.
I don't have all the needed information.
I have heard people say the Iraq is the root of all terrorism, I wonder. Wasn't Osama Bin Laden a Saudi? Using Saudi money, from Afganistan?
I have heard that Sadam had his hands in the OKC bombing, and just about every terrorist act since. Proof???
I've heard that this is because we need the oil. I don't think so. We haven't let Iraq sell oil for 12 years and untill recently the prices haven't been all that out of sight. Price manipulation???
I've heard that it's because he is trying to build weapons of mass destruction. Well, gee whiz, what's new about that. Like Porter Rockwell said there are many more countries that are a worse threat to us than Iraq. So I don't believe this is the reason.

So here is what I believe. I believe that Bush II is trying to uphold his views of family honor and trying to finish what Bush I started and didn't finish.
In other words, a personal vendeta.
If this is the case, and I don't know that it is, I vote..........NO.
Otherwise, President Bush, please put the evidence (PROOF) on public display so all of us Americans can see it.

telewinz
February 19, 2003, 08:29 PM
I hope our generals show a little imagination and DON'T go on the first night there is no moonlight. With our technology, we can afford a little moonlight in order to keep the element of surprise on our side.

Redlg155
February 19, 2003, 08:40 PM
The problem that I see is that we are going to do a repeat of what we did the last time we were over there.

When we stopped the last time we were so close to Baghdad that it wasn't even funny (I was with the 24th ID). I think the main reason was that we did not have a Govt standing by to take over the country in the absence of Sadaam.

The same thing goes today..what are we going to do? Go in and stop short of taking over the country? If so, what have we gained by doing so?

If we are going to do it again..then do it right and go all the way. Otherwise don't mess with it and let the UN deal with it.

Good Shooting
RED

rage
February 19, 2003, 08:46 PM
Let's get it over with already! :mad:

If not for moral/political reasons than for economic reasons. My potential clients won't commit any $$$ until this 'Irag thing' is settled...one way or the other. I suspect a lot of other small businessmen are experiencing the same. The economy is stagnant, even recessive in some sections of the country. Companies are sitting on their investments, advertising, R&D,etc..

I agree SH should go down because he will continue to be an evil threat to the world's stability. We should do it now, because of the faltering economy. :(

10-Ring
February 19, 2003, 09:27 PM
The US (specifically George Dubbya) will do the right thing & play the politic game to the last possible second & then go in w/ or w/o US support. In the end, the world knows that what is going on in Irag is wrong and must be taken care of before Saddam generates real support & power.

Standing Wolf
February 19, 2003, 09:38 PM
One aircraft. One bomb.

Peace follows victory, not interminable U.N. idiocy and/or land wars in Asia.

BigG
February 19, 2003, 09:44 PM
Saddam (or insert name) needs killin' In GA that is still grounds for a finding of justifiable homicide. :neener:

yayarx7
February 19, 2003, 09:51 PM
As a member of the armed forces, and one 95% likely to be sent to the area in the event of full scale war, I say go. I have seen so much money and personel and other resources spent on keeping the No-fly No-drive zones enforced. For over 10 years we have launched defensive attacks on Iraqi violators. So my opinion is, just go in there and remove the source. Set up a stable government and occupy the area for 5 years instead of all this idiocy we have been going through since Desert Storm.

just my $.02

Blackhawk
February 19, 2003, 11:47 PM
General Franks, you're cleared in hot. Proceed when ready.

jmbg29
February 20, 2003, 01:08 AM
You know, really good artists have a way of being relevant in their time—but great artists are relevant at anytime. So, in the words of William Shakespeare, "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded with patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader, and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." Imagine that was written over 400 years ago. It's amazing how history without consciousness is destined to repeat itself.[Babs does my talkin'! :p ;) :evil:

SodaPop
February 20, 2003, 01:32 AM
I never thought we would actually invade Iraq. I still don't think we are.

4570Rick
February 20, 2003, 02:55 AM
Here is an option you missed.


Pull out of the situation just far enough to keep an eye on the goins on. Watch one of the tyrants tick off Isreal. See Isreal retaliate. Pound sand at anyone who flinches. :neener:

telewinz
February 20, 2003, 06:29 PM
Sounds like they are talking the middle of March now:banghead:

Ledbetter
February 20, 2003, 07:01 PM
When the feds won't even deport the illegal Muslim aliens in our own country. And no support from our international "allies."

I say send in the U.N. forces first, wait until they're decimated, then send in the F-117's to ensure zero retaliatory capability.

telewinz
February 20, 2003, 07:37 PM
Who will the F117's attack? The UN or Iraq?:D

NIGHTWATCH
February 20, 2003, 07:46 PM
GET ON WITH IT ALREADY!!!! :banghead: The longer this takes the louder the left sounds and the more the sheeple forget! :fire:

SodaPop
February 20, 2003, 07:51 PM
We are just following threw with the policy of containment.

We are going put more effort into taking out Islamic extremist around the world. I think Iraq is just a puppet show. We need a base in that region to hit Al Qaeda. We are in the rats nest. We just have to kill all the rats.

WilderBill
February 21, 2003, 02:28 AM
I think it has gone far enough that only Saddam can prevent it now, and he isn't likely to.
Get on with it ASAP.

jmbg29
February 21, 2003, 05:39 AM
In GA that is still grounds for a finding of justifiable homicide.Me like. :D :evil:

1goodshot
February 21, 2003, 06:53 AM
I would give a 2 week dead line and in the mean time move all my troops to where they need to be.Then I would attack after only 1 week.

JohnBT
February 21, 2003, 08:56 AM
I voted for heart-to-heart talk.

Of course, we have to catch him before we can talk to him.

JT

telewinz
February 22, 2003, 07:59 AM
Saddam's willing to talk to us now, well that will delay us for 6 more weeks.:barf:

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