[jsalcedo]

August 24, 2004

ALERT: "...THE PARALLEL WITH THE EVENTS OF 1939 ARE UNCANNY..."


We at JPFO often receive compelling letters from our
readers on the loss of freedoms we are experiencing in this
country. One recent letter was particularly powerful and we
wanted to share it with you.

- The Liberty Crew

-----[BEGIN LETTER] ----

Dear Aaron Zelman and members of the J.P.F.O.:

Congratulations on your fine organization and web site.
Makes me feel very proud!

My uncle Armin, served (and was wounded) in the 1st Honv,d
(Hungarian) and my dad, Miksa, in the 2nd K und K (Austro-
Hungarian) regiment. My uncle Zsiga, was too young to
serve. When WW II came, he went to enlist, but was told
that as a Jew, he could not bear arms. Instead, he was sent
to a "work batallion" where he and others were made to walk
on mine fields in the Ukraine ahead of the German troops.
In 1942, my grandmother received a notification by the Red
Cross that his son disappeared. She promptly had a stroke
and died. I guess she was luckier than my grandfather who
was taken out of the Swedish "protected houses? set up by
Raoul Wallenberg, stripped naked, on December 22, 1945,
tied to three other Jews and pushed into the Danube, after
one of them was shot in the head to serve as ballast.
Neither body was ever found.

Armin and Miksa, maybe because of their military training,
were able to survive and eventually find their way to the
US. My aunts and uncles all perished. (My dad never turned
in his "Baby Frommer 6.35 mm" in spite of the fact that
routinely, on the way home from school, I would see people
in the street in pools of blood, shot to death, with sign
saying that they had violated the proclamation requiring
all to turn in their radios and weapons.)

For the past 52 years I have lived in New York City. Until
a few years ago, when all my permits and licenses to own
weapons were summarily revoked, I have owned handguns and
long guns. Since I did not want to be disarmed, I bought
property in one of our last free states, the State of
Vermont. I feel sorry for the New Yorkers I am leaving
behind disarmed by the likes of Schumer and Bloomberg.
Whenever I see a picture of New York?s Finest, with an
M16A2 and a kevlar helmet, I see specters of the
"Einsatzgruppen" with MP40's and the "Stahlhelm". After the
war, the only explanation was "Ein Befehl, ist ein Befehl!"

I am getting a little too old and tired to fight this
onslaught on our constitutional rights. The most
frightening development is this abominable "Patriot Act"
and the "War on Terror". Again, the parallel with the
events of 1939 are uncanny: the use of euphemisms and
innocuous words to deceive the public, the release of dated
data to keep the populace in a constant state of
apprehension and the rounding up of bearded men who are
detained without due process are "d,j. vu".

I hope that my children and my grandchildren will continue
to keep this wonderful country which has given me and my
family freedom, peace and happiness, the beacon of liberty
and justice for many more years to come, with the help of
others, such as your group.

Nicholas A. Neuhaus

----- [END LETTER] -----

(Editor's note: You can read the Stroop Report - detailing
the Warsaw Ghetto resistance from the viewpoint of the
Nazi officer in charge - at www.jpfo.org/stroop.htm)

[R.H. Lee]

For the past 52 years I have lived in New York City. Until
a few years ago, when all my permits and licenses to own
weapons were summarily revoked, I have owned handguns and
long guns

Revoked???? Why?? What's going on in NYC?

This is food for thought and a reminder to never, ever, not for any reason voluntarily surrender your firearms.

[rick_reno]

The Patriot Act is our first and best defense in the War on Terror. As our President has said about the Patriot Act ""Key provisions of the Patriot Act are set to expire next year," Bush said. "The terrorist threat will not expire on that schedule. Our law enforcement needs this vital legislation to protect our citizens--you need to renew the Patriot Act."
We're at war to preserve our way of life, and if some minor Consitutional rights get trampled - so be it. It's a war we can't afford to lose, and if some bearded men are denied due process because of it - I'm not going to lose any sleep. I shave.

[Ian]

Are you serious, rick_reno? :uhoh:

[Ex-MA Hole]

This is a disussion that has caused me much thought, and I doubt that there is an answer...

Where do we draw the line?

Common sense says that if you see a group of men, 20-35, of middle eastern dissent, driving a van and looking a bridges, you get nervous.

Constituion says you don't.

Is this racism? Or calculated caution?

I love America, and want to protect her at all costs, but do you sacrifice some of America to protect America?

Am I making any sense?

What is the line? Where is the line? How do we draw it?

Profiling is against the constitution, but it makes sense. Again, what/where is the line?

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sawdust]

No, I don't think rick is serious.

His style of posting is very dry and sarcastic. He's had me going a couple of times.

I like his style, but mebbe a smilie or two would help the "uninitiated".

Right, rick? ;)

Sawdust

[rick_reno]

Something similar supposedly happened in a war I remember too well - "During the Vietnam War, a United States officer ordered an entire village burned so that it could not be used as a sanctuary for the Viet Cong. He later said, "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

What the Bush administration is doing is comparable, destroy the Nation to save it. I expect Bush will easily win the election in the fall, and if the past four years have been any indication of the road we're going down - the next four should be especially entertaining. He'll probably get the opportunity to stack the Supreme Court with justices that are supportive of his nation rebuilding. He's already calling for renewal of the Patriot Act, I've read here that Patriot Act II (the sequel) is waiting in the wings - and if we liked PA1 we're sure to embrace II. I don't know what the endgame is of this madness, but I'm very worried.

No, I wasn't being serious in my post. So many here support this insanity, that I've decided to support the administration in EVERYTHING they do. I don't want to be pigeon holed as being anti-American.

[Fred Fuller]

Line? What line? There's a line?

Oh, you're talking about the one that's already been trampled into oblivion, right?

lpl/nc (new JPFO member, hey they let Baptists join too)

[Sam Adams]

Revoked???? Why?? What's going on in NYC?

This is food for thought and a reminder to never, ever, not for any reason voluntarily surrender your firearms.
NYC has had a HIGHLY restrictive stance toward handguns since 1911, when the Sullivan Act was passed. That must have really sucked, JMB comes out with one of the best designs ever, and the same year NYC says "you can't have it." Very few residents legally own a handgun, as you have to prove a need (and self-defense is not a good enough reason). Regarding rifles, NYC registered long guns in 1966, with the promise that the list would never be used for confiscation, only for solving crimes and returning guns to their rightful owners. :rolleyes: Yeah, a bunch of corrupt pols would never lie to the public, would they? Anyway, along comes 1991, and some tourist from Utah gets knifed in the subway. Mayor Dinkins decided that the best response to this knifing was to have the police send out letters to all known owners of semi-auto rifles and shotguns, and to tell them that they had to get rid of them by destruction, sale or transfer out of NYC. Yes, there were some door-to-door visits from the cops, though at least they only reportedly gave warnings.

Geez, even in the PRNJ one can get guns (just not certain :evil: ones) - NYC is a nightmare in this regard, which is exactly why I never lived (or will live) within its borders.

[Pug Puppy]

The war on terrorism is a blessing only to those who want more government. It is what they can bill for, that counts. It is a money-racket.
Consider:
If the Office of Homeland Security is valid, then why aren't they setting up flak batteries and missile sights around vital facilities? Why aren't they
rounding up Wahabi-sect Muslims, and putting them unto internment camps, like the Nazi Bundists were, in WWII? Why aren't they deputizing
the militias, to guard our borders?
If Bush does not eradicate the AWB, then I'm voting for Micheal Peroutka,
of the Constitutionalist Party.
There 203 million gun owners in America. This is in a land of 300 million
people. If 151 million of us vote for Peroutka, we'll sweep the White House
this November.

[Sam Adams]

There 203 million gun owners in America.

Uh, try more like 80-85 million.

If 151 million of us vote for Peroutka, we'll sweep the White House this November.

And if your grandmother had balls, she'd be your grandfather. There aren't even that many people that vote, period. How are you going to get that many to vote for one candidate?

This is in a land of 300 million people.

Well, one out of three ain't bad (or was it two...).