Know your guns, or only shoot your guns?


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twoblink
February 19, 2003, 10:44 PM
I have begun to discover, that most people are not as into "knowing about their guns" as I am. Maybe because I want to design some later on in my life, and open up a gun company..

Do most of you just shoot your guns, or do you all know your guns in seriously anal detail like I do?

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Carlos
February 19, 2003, 10:49 PM
I'm learning, and I'm very thankful to have a gaggle of gun toting buddies with Worlds of Knowledge to tap.

Good luck in your future endeavor. Go with it.

How about an over and under type: .50 cal under with 762x39 upper barrel and perhaps a SureFire mount???

"Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys." That's just beautiful man. :)

blades67
February 19, 2003, 11:03 PM
I know just how much a PIA the mouse-trap springs on my SIG Sauer pistols are to replace because I know my firearms inside and out.

10-Ring
February 19, 2003, 11:34 PM
I'm not there yet, but one day, I'll know my guns inside & out.

blades67
February 19, 2003, 11:40 PM
Start with a Glock or a 1911 and go from there.:D

Tamara
February 19, 2003, 11:59 PM
Oh, I know them, inside and out. I completely know how they work, why they work, and can take them apart and put them together.

I also know that taking them apart past a certain point too often is more likely to damage them by accident than it is to provide any real benefit from cleaning. (Far more guns are ruined by "detail" cleaning than by shooting.)

Further, I know that there's a magic gun gnome right down the street who has lathes and drill presses and all kinds of tools who will do any customization or modifications on my guns that I wish for only $X/hr, and will do a better job (with his fully equipped shop and decades of experience) than I could ever do at home.

TexasVet
February 20, 2003, 01:02 AM
Ninety per cent of my pistol shooting for the last 22 years has been ONE 1911 38 Super. I have probably taken that gun totally down and put it back together over a thousand times. I can't even begin to count the number of rounds I've fired through it. Years of IPSC and many more years of stepping off the porch in back and just blasting away at pinecones 25 yards away for fun. Not to mention the feral dogs and cats that try to wipe out the local deer, songbird and chicken population (or the occasional armadillo). Good moving target practice.
Who was it that said "Beware the man with ONE gun"? I really, really know this gun.

Kevlarman
February 20, 2003, 01:18 AM
I think everyone should know hor their guns work. Not only is it inhernetly safer to know how they operate, but it might help if you have a malfunction of some sort.

Cosmoline
February 20, 2003, 01:21 AM
Maybe it's because I used to be an anti and I've come to firearms later in life than most. I learn all I can about every new rifle or handgun I get. I strip it down and put it back together, learn all I can about the cartridge it uses, reload for it, etc. Then I re-sell it and use the credit to get something new. Maybe I'm not typical in this respect--I don't keep firearms for very long. The only ones to have survived the cuts are a trust old Mosin Nagant 91/30, a trusty VZ-24 and a trusty Mossberg 500.

DAL
February 20, 2003, 01:26 AM
A good question. If you are asking it from a gunsmith's point of view, I know the basics of my guns, and that's about it. I did replace the firing pin in my CZ75BD after it broke during dry firing; I found it easy to do.

If you are asking the question from a shooter's point of view, I'm trying to concentrate on learning to shoot a couple of handguns well. Just a guess here, but I'd be willing to bet that people who have a big safe full of guns, and who try to use them all regularly, maybe aren't as good with all of them as they would be with only a handful that fit them well.
DAL

illuminatus99
February 20, 2003, 02:02 AM
when I studied martial arts I learned to develop a feel for a weapon so that it's more of an extension of the hand, I try to do the same with my guns. the more you understand your weapon the more effective you'll be with it.

twoblink
February 20, 2003, 02:50 AM
Gas systems; some of them I still don't know how it works, as I can't get a cross sectional view of the gun (Don't you dare say the word chainsaw!!)

But I think it's important from a safety point of view, to know how your gun works.

Also, probably a good idea, in case of jams, or even problems, if you are on THR and say "My gun has a problem" that's a very different cry for help then "My gun's extractor pin broke, part #34 in the manual".

El Tejon
February 20, 2003, 07:58 AM
two, the AGI DVDs are shipping now (finally). I recommend them for each system you own or plan on owning. As well, many manufacturers have classes on different weapons they manufacture.

www.americangunsmith.com (http://www.americangunsmith.com)

Art Eatman
February 20, 2003, 08:17 AM
I probably understand more about the innards of a 1911 than most other guns. Well, the Garand and the GI carbine are pretty simple, as well. Bolt-actions vary mostly in the arrangement of the safety and in the way the bolt is put together.

While there are bunches of rifles around the joint that get shot from time to time, there's only one "Ol' Pet" that I'm all married up with and that I'll grab when the shooting is really important. Sorta like TexasVet's pistol.

Regardless of the depth of knowledge, a person should develop a "feel" for when things are "just right" or "not right". The feel of the bolt on opening or closing, or the feel of the slide's motion, or the trigger-motion on a DA revolver, as examples. If it doesn't feel righteous, don't carry it...

Art

Viking6
February 20, 2003, 08:50 AM
My knowledge of most of my guns is analgous to my knowledge of automobiles. I've done some work a little above changing the oil (replaced water pump on van, starter on Jeep, etc.) but I'm not ready to tear down the engine. 1911s, AR15s. mausers, etc. are pretty easy; past that I get a little shaky. I think a general knowledge of your weapon is a necessity, past that it becomes a preference.

Kahr carrier
February 20, 2003, 09:31 AM
I tend to like to Know my guns.Some a easier to tinker with like the Glocks or Mark-2 piece of cake or a 1911 . Then other watchout like the Buckmark just dont take the grips off beware of flying springs!:)

9mmepiphany
February 20, 2003, 03:50 PM
i have a real fascination with how my guns are designed to operate. the more unusual they are the more interesting it is for me. hence, a python is more interesting than a smith and a hk delayed roller-locked action more interesting than a browning tilt barrel.

i also like owning pistols that come with a story, this leads to the purchase of more used guns than new

Blackhawk
February 20, 2003, 04:29 PM
And I thought I was fanatical! :D

I've got to know their innards before I ever shoot them, but I thought that was a carry over from flying airplanes.... :D

thumbtack
February 20, 2003, 04:53 PM
Over the past couple years, I have become more and more interrested in learning more about the function of each part in my firearms.

The AGI videos are pretty good. I have ordered the 10/22 Trigger Job video, and I am sure that this will be a learning process.

T.Stahl
February 20, 2003, 06:14 PM
In July '91 Papa Staat gave me a G3. I had figure out how it worked myself as our DIs didn't know anything. Some even claimed it was gas-operated.
When I bought my Glock, first thing I did was to disassemble it (with the help of Glockmeister's homepage) to figure out what moves, engages and disengages when I pull the trigger and the slide cycles. I did the same when I bought my Enfield and SL8.

wanderinwalker
February 20, 2003, 06:42 PM
I like to KNOW my guns, inside and out. I am also incredibly adept at tearing things down and remembering which way they go back together. (Too much time with LEGOS, Tecnix, and Erector sets!) Even though I've only done it twice, I can tear a 1911 down to pieces and put it back together. Glocks are the same. Bolt rifles are all simple, just variations on the old Mauser theme. (I once "shot" a bottle of Hoppes with the firing pin from my VZ-24. Those suckers have ALOT of tension on them!)

The only guns that I know inside and out ballistically are my hunting arms. The 20ga 870, the .260 Mountain Rifle (I can put the bullet exactly where I want it from 0-300 yards and not blink, without a bench or bipod), and the Ruger 96/44 I used to have (traded later on after the .260 came home).

With handguns I feel like Tom Selleck's character in Quigley Down Under: "I only said I never had much use for one, not that I don't know how to use one."

TheFrontRange
February 20, 2003, 06:47 PM
I've never disassembled a firearm beyond what's required for "normal cleaning" I guess, although I want to become more comfortable perhaps going a bit farther in the process with, say, my 1911.

I do know that I am not 100% comfortable with a gun I've purchased until I'm able to field-strip it and reassemble it (and its magazines, if applicable) a few times before ever firing it.

Autolite
February 20, 2003, 07:35 PM
I enjoy tearing down my guns even more than I do shooting them. I like researching their history and I try to learn as much as possible about each firearm. I'm a bit of a trivia freak anyway.

On a sidenote, to qualify for ownership of a handgun in Canada, you must provide the federal government with a 'reason' for wanting the gun. You are given a list of specific authorized 'reasons' for the aquisition from which you must choose only one. If you claim that you are a gun 'collector', then by law you are expected to be able to demonstrate a comprehensive understanding of the history of each of the handguns that you own ...

Jack19
February 20, 2003, 07:38 PM
Not yet, but I will when I'm finished with the AR I'm building. :D

firestar
February 20, 2003, 07:57 PM
I look at the workings of my guns like the workings of my car. I only tear things apart if they break and have to be fixed. I have never taken my guns to a gunsmith. I learn as I go. I don't think I know very much about the insides though. Beyond field stripping and I get nervous.

45R
February 20, 2003, 09:19 PM
Knowing your guys is the second best part to owning guns other then shooting them. I guess you not the only one with obsessive compulsive behavior. I've taken down guns just to see how they tick.

coonan357
February 21, 2003, 05:41 AM
as having one of those hyperactivity diseases, adhd??, I was always taking things apart when I was little , now that I am older its bigger toys I take apart , and I got paid to do it (cat d8h) but I had to put them back together , with my firearms I look at the manual then disassemble , clean , and reassemble. but last year I pulled a so called typical guy thing I didn't read the instructions on my 10/22 when I disassemble the trigger group , after I looked in the book I found " DO NOT DISSASEMBLE TRIGGER GROUP " oops this was after I had it cleaned polished and reassembled , my friends are always bringing firearms for me to clean and fix .. I should go to school and get my shingle and make money doing this . but then again you can't tax a cherry cheese cake ( what was given for a detail strip and clean of my friends wifes .38 super ) :D BURP!!! I had my rossi mdl 92 lever action for 6 hours before it was torn apart on the kitchen table and I was polishing and refitting parts so it would work right .:what:

twoblink
February 21, 2003, 06:16 AM
I'm fairly anal, nothing I buy that costs more then $100 is bought without serious research, with the case of firearms, nothing that has less then 6 months worth of research gets bought... Regret is an expensive word!!

That said, I tore down my Ruger 22/45 and couldn't put it back together... busted out the exploded diagram, and took me about 2 days, but I can tell you, I learned so much about the gun.. Now I'm fairly comfortable with it.

Bolt actions like mausers are fairly easy; guns like Glocks are fairly easy and straight forward as well, I've not owned a 1911 and so I can't speak about them..

But guns are durable because most are simple; not as complex as say a computer by a few factors.. When I teach a newbie, I breakdown the gun, so they know where the bullet goes, etc.. and how a gun works... Most have told me they are more comfortable with the gun after the explaination.

Ikari
February 21, 2003, 11:46 PM
I know mine (and my friends' guns) inside and out. My friend Tom and I were shooting trap with an old Mossberg that his father had handed down to him. I noticed that the action was kinda sticky. So when I asked him how often he cleaned it. He said "every time after I use it." I watched him clean it. He takes the barrel off, scrubs it out good, then puts it back on and calls it good. I stared at him with a dumbfounded look on my face. "That's all?" I asked. I then showed him how to detail-strip it and clean it out real good. We found a LOT of dirt and grime in the action (apparently his dad never cleaned it either). Once I got it back together, it cycled smoother than he could ever remember it doing. :D

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