New AR


August 27, 2004, 11:42 AM
Hey guys, I shot an AR-15 the other day and want one now. I know almost nothing about them. I know of a few companies and all, and was on Bushmaster's website today, but there was so much to look at I wouldnt know where to start. I am gonna be moving to California in like 3 weeks and I believe this means i cant actually buy an assembled AR out there but i can get parts? Also can anyone suggest a good AR to start with, something middle of the road either assembled or a kit it doesnt matter. Just looking for any information you guys could give to someone to buy their first AR and also anything I need to know about buying one in Cali if I even can buy one out there. Thanks!

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August 27, 2004, 12:03 PM
The most important thing you need to know about Cali is that you cannot own an AR-15 at all, even if you bought it out of state, prior to moving. :(

August 27, 2004, 12:08 PM
Jim, has some listed on their website. For example, an XM15-E2S 20" goes for $699 and you could have it transferred to you in NJ before moving. Are AR-15s legal in NJ? You won't be able to get one in CA, that's for sure. Be aware that bringing one into California could get you into trouble. You could keep it at home, but I wouldn't take it to the range in CA.

Harry Tuttle
August 27, 2004, 12:23 PM
welcome to the stuggle against the ninnies

ARs are not cheap to shoot
a weekends worth of ammo will set you back 100 bucks

don't skimp on the rifle

August 27, 2004, 12:42 PM
The most important thing you need to know about Cali is that you cannot own an AR-15 at all, even if you bought it out of state, prior to moving. How does Cali get away with this? They have so many import laws. Isn't regulating interstate commerce like that explicitly forbidden by the US constitution? Any lawyers with feedback?

Harry Tuttle
August 27, 2004, 01:58 PM
Cali passed their own version of the AWB


12275. This chapter shall be known as the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989.

12275.5. The Legislature hereby finds and declares that the proliferation and use of assault weapons poses a threat to the health, safety, and security of all citizens of this state. The Legislature has restricted the assault weapons specified in Section 12276 based upon finding that each firearm has such a high rate of fire and capacity for firepower that its function as a legitimate sports or recreational firearm is substantially outweighed by the danger that it can be used to kill and injure human beings. It is the intent of the Legislature in enacting this chapter to place restrictions on the use of assault weapons and to establish a registration and permit procedure for their lawful sale and possession. It is not, however, the intent of the Legislature by this chapter to place restrictions on the use of those weapons which are primarily designed and intended for hunting, target practice, or other legitimate sports or recreational activities.

August 27, 2004, 02:10 PM
If you are going to California, you are pretty much screwed as far as getting an AR - unless you are military and then you can apply for an exemption. The best you are going to be able to do is a FAB-10 (

August 27, 2004, 03:26 PM
The Keltec SU16 uses AR15 mags, the same round, and the same operational system, folds in half and costs $500, and it's California legal. It's about your only option short of not moving to California. Born and raised there, there's no way in HELL i would move back!

August 27, 2004, 03:46 PM
I'd handle an SU-16 before you buy...To me, the feel very flimsy. I've never shot one, but I've heard that they shoot pretty well.

Just a note, the SU-16 uses a gas piston and an entirely different bolt than the AR-15.

August 27, 2004, 05:37 PM
Thanks for the responses guys. Maybe the AR will have to wait a few years when I head back to the east coast. Anyways, anyone in the Long Beach area that can recommend a good gunsmith, range, and firearms dealer. Just looking for good places to shoot and good people to deal with. Any recommendations would be appreciated since I will be new to the area. Thanks

August 27, 2004, 05:46 PM
In addition, I was just looking at some pics of the FAB-10 in another thread. What makes that legal in California but the AR-15 illegal? Also I saw someone post a pic of CAB-10 and its California legal? What is a CAB-10 (did he mean FAB-10???).

August 27, 2004, 06:05 PM
The FAB-10 only shoots 10 bullets. These bullets are special friendly bullets. Everyone knows that you can't really hurt anyone with only 10 bullets.

The AR-15 shoots mean bullets. The detachable magazine means the same bullets can actually kill innocent children.

The Mini-14 shoots AR-15 bullets. But, the Mini-14 bullets are friendly because the Mini-14 is not an AR15, which is evil.

If you understand the logic, you need help.

August 28, 2004, 08:36 PM
You load the FAB-10 by breaking open the upper, hinging it.
Load up your ten, & close it up, so no evil detachable magazines.

El Rojo
August 29, 2004, 11:57 AM
That would be my FAB-10 and CAB-10. The CAB-10 is simply my carbine version of the FAB-10. They are the same exact lower, just two different uppers. What might have confused you was that I screwed a "magazine shaped storage area" to the bottom of my sealed over mag well. That was not a real magazine, but a magainze cut in half, a block of wood inserted, and two screws holding it onto the gun. Why you ask? We do what we have to do in the PRK to feel more like free Americans. An AR just doesn't look right with out a magazine sticking out from under it.

Here is one of my FAB-10 links for more information.

The "Magazine Shaped Storage Area" Thread (

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