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hso
August 27, 2004, 03:22 PM
How is it that Marstar in Canada can get these great deals and we can't?

Breda M-1 Garand Super Special $199

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pdog
August 27, 2004, 03:35 PM
I think they still get Norinco 1911s at a bargain too.

BruceB
August 27, 2004, 04:00 PM
This is a perfect example of how one's market determines the pricing.

IN CANADA, rifles have to be registered and a lot of hoops jumped-through to own guns of any kind, even including airguns. Demand for most military rifles is VERY low, and hence the low price IN CANADA. The real kicker and reason for the low price (remember $199 CDN is only about $160 US) is that these rifles can NOT be shipped into the US market due to various regulations. If the rifles were importable to the USA, they sure as hell wouldn't be rusting on Canadian shelves for $160, I can assure you.

Another example.....back around 1980 or thereabouts. a quantity of genuine M14 rifles became available in Canada. They also were not importable to the USA because they were manufactured as full-autos, even though that ability had been de-activated on the rifles in question. I paid $192 CDN for a TRW M-14 in excellent condition, and magazines were $3.00 each.

Yet another example...also in the '70s, Swedish AG42B 6.5x55 semi-autos were also not importable to the USA, and we bought them in like-new condition with their parts-and-maintenance kits for $45.00... makes me sick to think of it.

However, in spite of the "deals" available in Canada, I moved my family to Nevada seven years ago, and believe me this is so much better that I can't really express it. Their newly-passed gun restrictions (1996?) were a LARGE part of why we moved. On virtually a daily basis, I give thanks for having escaped the stifling, politically-correct socialists governing that country, and can only pity the shooters who are under the liberal heel. THIS is our last, best chance anywhere in the entire world, and as shooters we'd best enjoy it, and more importantly, work to KEEP it!.

Mike Hull
August 27, 2004, 04:09 PM
Amen, BruceB! Well said!:D

bigsplash1
August 27, 2004, 04:21 PM
Your partially right. There are some hoops to jump through in Canada, but it is not that bad. You only need to take a weekend course before you can own any firearms. Then you recieve a PAL (Possession and Acquisition Licence) which lets you buy any firearms you want. The only down side is that we all must register our firearms as soon as they are purchased. We must always keep them unloaded and locked up seperate from any ammunition, and we may never carry a pistol on our person. But other than that you my shoot most places, at most time. As far as buying firearms goes, its not that bad. I just bought a new rifle, it took me just a few minutes. I walked in, picked the one I want, showed my PAL, called the registry. That was it. Also, as air rifles with a MV of less than 450fps may be bought by anybody over the age of 18.


But even through all this I LOVE CANADA!

bigsplash1
August 27, 2004, 04:56 PM
Your partially right. There are some hoops to jump through in Canada, but it is not that bad. You only need to take a weekend course before you can own any firearms. Then you recieve a PAL (Possession and Acquisition Licence) which lets you buy any firearms you want. The only down side is that we all must register our firearms as soon as they are purchased. We must always keep them unloaded and locked up seperate from any ammunition, and we may never carry a pistol on our person. But other than that you my shoot most places, at most time. As far as buying firearms goes, its not that bad. I just bought a new rifle, it took me just a few minutes. I walked in, picked the one I want, showed my PAL, called the registry. That was it. Also, as air rifles with a MV of less than 450fps may be bought by anybody over the age of 18.


But even through all this I LOVE CANADA!

SCULLY
August 27, 2004, 05:20 PM
It is a bit more pain in the rear, than down in the states to own a gun. And we certainly don't have any rights for gun ownership. I lived in the states for 2 years and would prefer to live there now. I've got a LES BAER S.R.P and we in Canada are fortunate enough to be able to have the civilian version of the Sig sg 550 series ( 550 ,551,552 ) known as the PE90. You would be surprised at how many folks have ar15 up here....check out our Canadian gun n utz website..... www.canadiangunnutz.com thanks

BruceB
August 27, 2004, 05:31 PM
Bigsplash, pard;

We will have to disagree on this topic, because in my opinion (of course) it IS "that bad".

I'm not speaking from a standpoint of inexperience here. I lived in Canada from 1947 to 1997, served in the Canadian Army, was active politically, and watched our freedoms progressively erode through successive governments, both Liberal AND Conservative.

Are you aware of some of the provisions of Canadian law? Do you know that if you're in a vehicle, discover a gun is in there with you, and you don't take steps to find out if someone has "paper" on that gun, YOU have committed an indictable offense? Or, if you DO discover that there's no "paper" on that gun and you don't immediately take steps to leave the vehicle, YOU have committed an indictable offense? Or, if a gun search in your home is being carried out (for "firearms, ammunition, or papers pertaining thereto" ) you are required to co-operate with the search? And that SILENCE IS CONSIDERED TO BE NON-CO-OPERATION, and is an indictable offense....whatever happened to the English common-law "right to remain silent"?

(Note for US readers: An "indictable offense" corresponds to a felony, while "summary conviction offences" correspond to misdemeanors. Most of the above "offenses" carry $10,000 fines and/or five years' prison time.)

You also don't mention that handguns and MANY rifles and shotguns are "restricted weapons" and can ONLY be used at government-approved ranges, and can only be transported to the range with yet another damned permit issued only for range use...and it can specify routes of travel, times iof day, and days of the week, and "no errands en route". Restricted weapons MUST be trigger-locked, AND inside a locked container, AND separate from the ammunition. Ask me, I lived with this horsecrap for decades and it's worse now. Also, no semi-auto rifle can have a mag capacity larger than five rounds, except a few specific exemptions such as the M1 Garand.

There is NO handgun hunting in Canada.... none, nada, zip, rien, zero.....

In Nevada, by extreme contrast:

-I have a concealed-carry licence, and can carry my handguns where and as I please....concealed. The licence is SHALL ISSUE, meaning it MUST be issued if the applicant meets a few simple requirements

-I can carry my handguns openly, downtown, on the land, fishing, whatever.

-I can take any of my guns (repeat: ANY of my guns) to any safe shooting area and use them without permission from any damned government, and this specifically includes machine guns if I ever get rich enough to buy one.

-I can keep a loaded handgun in my vehicle...concealed, openly, any way I prefer.

-I can hunt with my handguns.

-I can walk into any store in the State and walk out with a new handgun or long gun, just by filling out a single form which stays with the dealer.

-I can go my friend's house and borrow any of his guns, of any type (try THAT in Canada while staying within the letter of the law).

As a shooter, I am infinitely better off here in the USA. As a citizen, I breathe far more freely and have a great deal more input into the organizations that govern me. I was proud to be a Canadian, but I'm a damned sight happier as an ardent American.

Stand_Watie
August 27, 2004, 06:19 PM
BruceB

Welcome to the US:D

As a shooter, I am infinitely better off here in the USA

I'll add to that that you're probably notedly better off in Nevada than in some other states as well.

Maybe we could organize some sort of citizen exchange program, and since Canada has more room to spare we could even make it a 2 for 1 program - 2 of our lefties or statists for 1 of your freedom loving gunnies.

I still don't write Canada off entirely. If Quebec seceded maybe your more conservative areas would have more weight in voting and be able to outbalance Ontario.

SCULLY
August 27, 2004, 06:24 PM
Bruce B................I agree with you 100%, now STFU your making me very jealous:D :D .........Any of you Americans have a good looking daughter that's willing to marry a Canadian and move me down there !!:D

bigsplash1
August 27, 2004, 08:27 PM
Oh well, Im not gonna fight over whos country is better. You folks in the US may have it good/better, but I am happy as long as I own a gun. So have a nice night!

rust collector
August 27, 2004, 08:45 PM
We have plenty of senseless gun laws in the lower 48, so no use dissin' someone else's homeland. I know that wasn't the intention but the lesson for everyone is, we all have to work with young folk to make them understand that we're not thugs because we enjoy firearms, and guns didn't turn us into cro-magnons.

If you want to worry, spend a little time in a university setting. The further away from the ground you get, the more you see but the less you discern.

And the milsurps are always "minty" on the other side of the border. ;)

nemesis
August 27, 2004, 09:36 PM
Accordin to what I hear, them Canajuns gotta have a license to buy ammo. Also, it sounds great but they can't do anything at all without permission.

SDC
August 27, 2004, 10:03 PM
A lot of it is the fact that so much of the stuff they carry CAN'T be sold in the US; it's my understanding that the Garands count as "Lend-Lease" equipment, which is barred from import into the US. Most of the rest of their product line is Norinco-made, which is also barred from import (even the sweet little 14" Rem 870 clones, which are next on my "wanna buy" list; http://www.marstar.ca/Norinco/HP9-1.htm ).

Stand_Watie
August 28, 2004, 12:44 AM
Scully, just move down here. We don't control the borders anyway (even though we should) and you'll be granted an amnesty within a couple of years... since both of our parties aren't willing to control immigration I'd just as soon have some like-minded Canadians living here as having some Al-quaida member from Pakistan.

My great-aunt was an illegal immigrant from New Brunswick and my cousin was (legal now though) an illegal immigrant from Mexico...both better Americans than many born-here Americans that I know.

Sunray
August 28, 2004, 03:10 AM
"...How is it that Marstar in Canada can get these great deals and we can't?..." Hi. hso, despite all the rhetoric, you can't buy anything from Norinco, because Slick Willy(Clinton) banned all importation of any firearms from China in 1985ish. Marstar isn't in the US. Mind you, they don't always have M305's in stock.
Please join us at http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/
You'd be more than welcomed.

0007
August 28, 2004, 08:29 AM
Case is point vis-a-vis asking permission to do anything in Canada. Can't surf the canadiangunutz site without registering... I guess I'll pass.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

SCULLY
August 28, 2004, 09:18 AM
Stand_Watie..................I don't think it's that easy, i would not be able to bring anything over the border, except the shirt on my back............some day soon i will look into the legal way of maybe moving back to the U.S and see what my options are.............I't does feel a hell of alot free'er (haha) down there!!!!!!...............you guy's stay safe ....Thanks

Stand_Watie
August 29, 2004, 01:09 AM
Well Scully, we'll look forward to seeing you down here with your right hand raised reciting the citizenship oath:D

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