[Can'thavenuthingood]

This is on the Senate floor
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1151-1200/sb_1152_bill_20040823_amended_asm.html

Just called my senator, Dean Florez to voice my opposition to this bill. It requires vendors to get name, address and quantity, caliber of handgun ammo other than .22 and the right hand thumbprint of purchaser.

Vendor keeps file for 2 years.

Mr. Florez voted against last time. My Assembly person voted no also.

We are in the wrong part of the state. Howcome these things don't die once, they keep coming back. Like ya gotta babysit the Legislature. Thieves waiting for you to turn your back.

Vick

[stv]

I called Jackie Speier :rolleyes: to voice my opposition to this. Gonna fax over a letter in a few minutes, too.

[artherd]

Ironic then that 60% of murders occur with...

drumroll please...

.22LR (not because it's good, but because it's available and cheap for criminals. They'd use a salad fork if we banned guns.)

Yeah, it's all for the children...

[redhead]

I called Senator Torlakson with my opposition, and called a couple of friends in the area to call him as well. Not that I expect Torlakson to care what we think.

[Can'thavenuthingood]

I've been lurking on Calguns for a long time. Thats where I got this info and called Dean Florez.

There is something about registering a mandatory "Day of Birth"
a mandatory "month of birth"
and a mandatory "year of birth" that irritates me to no end. Ya I can put in fake numbers. Thats not the point.

I'll get over it. Though it may be a moot point as it looks like Kalifornia is throwing the gun industry and all its business away.


Vick

[Standing Wolf]

Thieves waiting for you to turn your back.

Looters on the streets differ from looters in the legislature in one significant way: fewer law degrees.

[stv]

Anyone know if Ron Barrett has commented recently?

edit: Found this on www.barrettrifles.com. (2003)

June 30, 2003

Chairman, Public Safety Committee
State of California
Sen. Bruce McPherson

Via: Fax (916) 445-4688

Dear Senator McPherson,

United States defense contractors such as Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, Inc., Murfreesboro, TN USA rely on orders from the US Military as a primary source of income but this government income for most contractors is only part of the necessary income for long term survival. Commercial or civilian product sales are also a main source of income that makes payroll and for good working conditions for their employees. We must support these defense contractors in both peace and war and allow them to operate, market and sell their products under the rules, regulations and law of the Federal Government. There is a balance of customers among defense contractors that is necessary for sound, long term business and by eliminating commercial sales in California this balance is disrupted. To vote against .50 cal rifles puts jobs of your constituents as risk, the lives of your police at risk, and in the end the safety of the State of California at risk. Are you willing to jeopardize this?

The defense industrial base in America is at risk of being unable to fully support our country in time of need without adequate opportunity for commercial sales of various products. In the Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, Inc situation the civilian legal Barrett .50 cal rifle is at risk in the state of California. The attempt to ban a legal firearm not only violates the basic principals of the US Constitution but sets a precedence that endangers many vital defense contractors. In the Barrett case it also endangers California law enforcement agencies from having a proven and important tool in the fight against terrorism.

* H. Hayes Parks, Special Assistant to the Judge Advocate of the US Army wrote:
“The M82A1 Barrett… are manifestations of the important historic cooperation played by private citizens and small business in the United States in the development of weapons and munitions necessary for the US Armed Forces to perform their mission to protect the national security interests of the United States by fighting and winning, with as few friendly casualties as possible.” This statement sums up the vital role both government and commercial business play in the sound business practices of various defense contractors of which Barrett is one.

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Chairman, Public Safety Committee
June 30, 2003

The Barrett .50 cal rifle was ascertained by the troops on the front lines in Iraq as the best performing small arm and they have the private defense contractor to thank for that weapon. Ban .50 cal rifles in California and you take this tool from your police also. The war on terror is not over! The Barrett .50 cal rifle has been in the hands of competitive shooters, hunters, and collectors for over 20 years and is a mainstay of the long range competitive shooters matches. It also serves on Police SWAT teams as the primary long range anti-sniper weapon.

It is the Barrett position that we choose not to support in anyway state or local governments who are against the US Constitution and the safety and security of this nation. If California were to ban the sale of the Barrett .50 cal rifle we will stop the sale and service of all Barrett products to all State Law Enforcement agencies of the state of California immediately and ask all small arms manufactures to consider similar action. Re-classify the .50 cal rifle and you align yourself and the State of California as being part of the very terrorists who are attempting to destroy this great nation of ours.

Please vote against banning or re-classifying .50 cal rifles.


Respectively,


Ronnie G. Barrett
President
Barrett Firearms Mfg., Inc.
Murfreesboro, TN USA


* Quoted from: Memorandum for Staff Judge Advocate, US Army Special Forces Command, (Airborne), Fort Bragg, NC Sept 7, 1999

[Can'thavenuthingood]

Well AB 50 is on the way to the Gov's desk. I've heard him or his "guys" threaten a veto on other legislation but nothing on any RKBA stuff.

SB 1152 will effectively squelch ammo sales around the state. The retail outlets already have too much for paperwork and liabilites. Witness the Wal-Mart problems. Big 5 has no handguns but they sell handgun ammo.

I suspect many retailers will get out of the handgun ammo business, even if it's purchased for a rifle they must still get your info and keep records for atleast 2 years.

Most of these places pretty much have low wage beginner type employees that don't much pay attention to the needed details of federal and state and local laws paperwork.

I really think that the receivers of Ronnie Barretts letter were doing handsprings and couldn't start writing legislation fast enough.

Mr. Arnold could easily at any time in passing say something about the daily anti-gun legislators antics and constant voting on this crap until it's passed. But no he says nothing. His staff will threaten veto's on other issues, but nothing important.

At one time I thought maybe these yahoo's were just passing some feel good legislation that didn't amount to much but made those unknowing about guns "feel" good and get thier votes. And in turn it just made our lives a little bit more frustrating.

I wish them all a horrid itch they cannot reach and nightmares about it's origin.

Vick

[Seventhsword]

Wow,

You guys need to get out of California and come to Texas.;)

[Jim March]

In limiting 1152 to "just handgun ammo", or trying to, Scott turned it into a confusing mess. Ammo must be registered if it's "primarily" for handguns.

What the heck does that mean?

If you have a 357 levergun, can you skip registering 38Spl/357?

If you have a BFR 45-70, do you need to register that fodder? For that matter, since the BFR exists at all, does all 45-70 need to get registered?

:rolleyes:

There's no chance to amend it yet again, no time. It's got "veto" written all over it.

[redhead]

So what chance is there that Bustamonte will sign it while Arnold is at the Repub Convention?

[Jim March]

Ug.

Good question.

<scratches head>

Hmmm.

I better make some calls Tuesday AM, see if that's still possible. I thought they fixed that problem?

:scrutiny:

[redhead]

I worry a lot. Isn't Cruz acting Guv when the head guy is out of state? I have no idea if they fixed that little issue or not. I hope so.

[deej]

I think I'm gonna be sick.

[stv]

Me, too.

Could it be that they planned it this way?

Delay the bill until it's time to send it to Acting Governator Bustamante, who will sign it for sure?

Will he even be in charge and have signatory powers while Arnold is in NY?

[Don of Kalifornia]

Boost-your-taxs, can't sign bills, only the govenor can, the one thing to remember in Kalif, is is the govenor does NOT sign it it becomes law anyway. The govenor must VETO any bill ho/she does not like.

[redhead]

Here's what the California Constitution says about the Lt. Governor:


CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 5 EXECUTIVE


SEC. 10. The Lieutenant Governor shall become Governor when a
vacancy occurs in the office of Governor.
The Lieutenant Governor shall act as Governor during the
impeachment, absence from the State, or other temporary disability of
the Governor or of a Governor-elect who fails to take office.
The Legislature shall provide an order of precedence after the
Lieutenant Governor for succession to the office of Governor and for
the temporary exercise of the Governor's functions.
The Supreme Court has exclusive jurisdiction to determine all
questions arising under this section.
Standing to raise questions of vacancy or temporary disability is
vested exclusively in a body provided by statute.

[Prof]

How would this ammunition bill affect out-of-state sales. I buy much of my ammunition over the Internet and have it shipped here. Can California force out-of-state dealers to collect this info? Or, can the State prohibit the importation of ammo? :confused:

[Can'thavenuthingood]

My intrepretation of that section is the loser can sign bills since the gov is ou of state and the bust is "acting". It would be in the real gov's best interest to indicate a veto or be tossed into the same cesspool with the dems. They'd like nothing better than to take him down. Passage in his absence would do it if he didn't set it up before hand by saying veto.

Saw on the news last night the Senate passed Drivers License for illegal aliens. Its a veto for sure the gov's boys say.

So whats the weather like in Texas?

Vick


Excerpts from SB 1152

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1151-1200/sb_1152_bill_20040823_amended_asm.html

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For purposes of this subdivision, "ammunition" shall include,
but not be limited to, any bullet, cartridge, magazine, clip, speed
loader, autoloader, or projectile capable of being fired from a
firearm with a deadly consequence.
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used in this subparagraph, "ammunition" means handgun ammunition as
defined in subdivision (a) of Section 12323. Where ammunition or
reloaded ammunition may be used in both a rifle and a handgun,
federal law shall be considered for purposes of enforcing this
subparagraph.
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(c) No vendor shall sell or otherwise transfer ownership of any
handgun ammunition without at the time of purchase
recording the following information on a form to be prescribed by the
Department of Justice:
(1) The date of the transaction.
(2) The name, address, and date of birth of the transferee.
(3) The transferee's driver's license or other identification
number and the state in which it was issued.
(4) The brand, type, and amount of ammunition transferred.
(5) The transferee's signature.
(6) The name of the salesperson who processed the transaction.
(d) The vendor shall also at the time of purchase or transfer
obtain the right thumbprint of the purchaser or transferee on the
above form , unless the purchaser or transferee presents a valid
hunting or sportsman's license issued pursuant to Section 714,
paragraphs (1) to (3), inclusive, of subdivision (a) of Section 3031,
or Section 3031.2 of the Fish and Game Code, in which case the
vendor shall record the number of the license .

[rick_reno]

Booztamonte? Is that evil little [creature] still still stinking up the capitol building? It's past time the people of Kalifonia flush that floater.

[Sven]

Did you guys see his "concession" speak where all his capaign contributors surrounded him smugly....

I had to hold back the bile.