Do I really need another gun?


August 28, 2004, 08:38 AM
Hi All,
I'm a 35-year old non-hunter suburbia-dweller patriot that enjoys shooting/owning firearms. I live in **********, so I can't carry. So far, I have the following:

Rem 870 w/ surefire forend/iron sights
Mini-14 w/red dot
.40 cal handgun
.357 revolver

I know that I have enough to protect me and my family in any conceivable situation, yet I have the urge to get something more long-distace capable (bolt, Browning BAR). Do I really need to spend another $700 or so on a rifle when I could do other things w/ the money (pay off my car faster!). In reality, what situation that I'm likely to be in would actually require a 150-400 yd shot? No disrespect to those with large collections of rifles ;)


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August 28, 2004, 08:52 AM
My question for you is *** does "need" have to do with this?

Do you WANT another gun? If you do, then buy it, the concept of need is/should be, disregarded.

Don in Ohio

August 28, 2004, 08:55 AM
Having to many guns is like having to much money.

August 28, 2004, 09:01 AM
And I'm sure you're going to get alot of very funny replies, but , do you really need any more? I used to tell people my collection was an investment, but I hope I have something better to fall back on than a house full of old ratty military guns. I've even been thinking of getting rid of everything and buying one really nice rifle, one shotgun, and one pistol. Then using the rest of the proceeds to make some extra payments on the vehicles. Even tho' guns are incrediably fun and facinating, isn't owning one's own home and having a secure future a more noble goal?

Oh wait, you realize you don't have a rimfire don't you? And it wouldn't hurt to have a long range rifle, just in case. And what if during an attack by the JBT's with their undead grizzly bears and giant alien spiders your Mini-14 jams? You're going to need either an AR15 or an AK47, but who knows which is best, so you'd better get both. Speaking of which is better, you can pick a side in the .357 vs. .45 threads, but what about the 9mm vs .45? You're going to need one or the other, or both, then you can say, "I own both and I think..." Jeez man, go out and buy some more guns.:D

Bullet Bob
August 28, 2004, 09:04 AM
No .22's?!!

Good golly man, RUN to the nearest firearm emporiam and purchase one each pistol and rifle in the funnest caliber know to man.

August 28, 2004, 09:04 AM
Okie maybe you and I could get a cheap rate on group therapy

August 28, 2004, 09:39 AM
Gunaholics Anonymous.

We met at the range.:D

Chris Rhines
August 28, 2004, 09:42 AM
Humans don't NEED anything but a certain regular input of chemical energy.

But boy, if I had your collections, I'd sure feel better with another .40 pistol, to keep as a spare for when the first one breaks. A spare shotgun wouldn't go amiss, either. And of course, a .22LR rifle and pistol would e nice to have...

You see where this is going. :D

- Chris

August 28, 2004, 09:42 AM
Having to many guns is like having to much money.

And I don't have enough of either yet, but I'm working on it.

As far as need goes, ask any blissninnie gun grabber and they'll tell you don't need what you already have. What they think you need is the base of their argument for gun control.

August 28, 2004, 09:53 AM
Heck of the 29 guns I own I onnly NEED a few

I NEED only one of my shotguns to hunt with, but I like and play with the others for 3 gun competitions, cowboy shooting and sporting clays

I dont NEED any of my handguns (no CCW in IL) but I like to play with them for 3 gun competitions, cowboy shooting, plinking and the history of saome of them.

I don't NEED any of the 15 rifles I have except for my Mauser 308 for hunting, but I love the history of my milsurps, like to play with my AR and STG, couldn't do with out the boom of my 45-70 Sharps and Trapdoor, etc.

NEED don't got nuthin' to do with it boy. Firearms aren't all about NEED< they are a love affair with art, beauty, self reliance, mechanical wonderment and history.

Dave Markowitz
August 28, 2004, 09:55 AM
Having to many guns is like having to much money.

Unfortunately, these are usually mutually incompatible. :banghead:

August 28, 2004, 09:59 AM
For about 20 years I lived with all the guns I NEEDED...
A win. Mod. 70 in 270 win
A Stevens SxS 20 Ga.
A Ithica .22 LR

These 3 guns covered every situation from hunting to target shooting and everything in between.

In the early 90s I started collecting the guns I WANTED and I still aquire one a year. Most have been shot, some have not and I don't have to justify my purchases to anyone, my wife doesn't ask and I don't care what anybody else thinks.

If I never aquired another gun I wouldn't be sorry and if I had to grab 3 and go it would be the 1st 2 above and a 22 bolt action.

What do you want to do? Buy another gun? or make a couple car payments?

It's your choice man.

August 28, 2004, 11:11 AM
There is no such thing as need on a gun board. It's just a little lie we use to get someone to convince us to get what we already want. :D

August 28, 2004, 01:58 PM
As was said, it's not the need for another gun, it's the want of another gun.

I could loosly be called a collector. I started out wanting a gun of every caliber ever made. Then I saw just how many calibers there are out there. Then I narrowed it down to this: (what I really need

1. .22 rifle (small game)
2. Anything in the 9mm to .45 pistol range (self defense)
3. Any major hunting caliber, .30 or up.
4. Shotgun, 12 to 20 gauge (home defense)

Now, I have alot more then this. Some I buy to trade up to maybe a battle rifle (which should be number 5 on the list above). Some I buy "just because the anti's hate them". Sometimes I buy just because only a non gun owner would walk away from such a great deal.

Do I need them? No. Do I want them? Yes. So, I get them if I have the money.

But, oh course, bills come first (including food and money for family) then my hobbies. I'm lucky in that I own all three of my vehicles so I don't have that payment. And if you want to buy a house one day, then saving for that is more important. After that, it's not the need, it's the want to expand :D.


Foreign Devil
August 28, 2004, 03:23 PM

August 28, 2004, 04:11 PM
Do you need another gun?


You NEED a .357 Marlin Lever action.

You NEED a .22 rimfire.

If you don't fill your wants, you will always have that lingering doubt, that question of completeness. You don't want to feel that way. You need to feel good about yourself and the defensive decisions you've made.

Therefore you NEED another gun.

Now, was that difficult?

When in doubt, buy.

It works for the womenfolk.


August 28, 2004, 04:14 PM
quick answer, yes. But here's another question for you to ponder. Does your WIFE think you NEED another one. Have to consider that before you go buying a $700 gun. Especially since she'll all of a sudden NEED a new diamond thingamajig. :D

August 28, 2004, 04:25 PM
Acually I was thinking about a Marlin lever a less expenive alternative, but I was thinking of a 30-30. How does a .357 compare to a 30-30? What grouping could I expect out of both? I've seen used 30-30's for $175 online

Black Majik
August 28, 2004, 04:39 PM

You need a 1911.

August 28, 2004, 06:59 PM
A .357mag fired in a rifle or carbine is no match for a 30-30. Simple fact of just not enough powder capacity to even consider comparing.

August 28, 2004, 07:18 PM
Since you are a non-hunter and don't plan to be, I go with the .357 lever. You can use same cartridges from your revolver, .38's to .357. Go to the rifle forum here and type in searches, do a .357 vs 30-30 and start to read from all the experience out there.

The 30-30 is a good hunter, but thats not what you're looking for. The .357 in a rifle won't reach with the punch of a 30-30. I'd stay with the same caliber range and work the "set" of revolver and lever action. Get good with'em. Reload'em.

How many can ya carry in SHTF scenario?
You are living close in so your shots will be close, no distance beyond what? 100 yards?

On the other hand what Black Majik says a 1911 would be gooder too. Work on that "close in" stuff. Give the .357 revolver to the wife with some .38's to start with and practice, practice, practice.

Yeah, you need another gun cause the wife is gonna take yours :)


Standing Wolf
August 28, 2004, 07:43 PM
Of course you need more guns! If you're still breathing, you need more guns, and more ammunition, too, and don't forget the accessories, and...

August 28, 2004, 08:10 PM
What everybody else said.

I have a belief that if I want something long enough it becomes a need.

Ex-senator Phil Gramm used to say, "I have more guns than I need but not as many as I want."

Used to be every time I would come home with a new gun my wife would ask, "Don't you have enough guns?" I would always answer, "Not yet." She finally quit asking.:cool:


August 28, 2004, 08:14 PM
You need a .22 rifle.

You also need a .30-30, or an SKS. Both are under $300 (I recommend Marlin 336 for .30-30, with a XSS ghost ring sight).

You could also get an SU-16 which uses AR mags for $500(folds in half too), or an M1 Garand.

You CAN get a carry permit in Kalifornistan, just not in L.A county.

August 28, 2004, 09:22 PM
I don't see a 9mm or 45acp on that list. So, yes, I would say that you need to buy another gun.:D

Lt. G
August 28, 2004, 09:33 PM
You need to buy a lever action 45-70 rifle. Repels evil creatures, (2,4, no legged) and can put meat on the table !

August 28, 2004, 10:30 PM

I would suggest getting your C&R license as it opens up other avenues to "happiness"( MORE GUNZ!!).

There are quite a few mil-surps that are nice to have,collectible,fun to shoot AND are usually affordable. As an added bonus you also have the historical aspect to consider too!

The cost is 30.00 for three years ans is well worth it. You can save many times over that making your first buy. (BEWARE--it won't be your last!)

Considering what you already have I would add a AR15 as a companion to your Mini-14,


a 1911 (many choices available) some of which are C&R eligible... Then you have M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1903 & 1903a3 plus a few SKS's to choose from! I doubt that you'll be unhappy! Last year I bought a 1943 Remington 03-A3 for 525.00 shipped! Its looks almost new to boot!

Even if you never hunt you can still collect 'em! Some guys may stick with a specific model/type of pistol or rifle then proceed to "find" all variants (like Colt 1911's and 1911a1's).

Don't worry too much about if YOU need another gun! What YOU WANT NEXT is more important and therefore makes more sense!

Once you get MORE GUNS... Don't forget about MORE AMMO & ACCESSORIES! LOL


August 29, 2004, 02:56 AM
Be very, very afraid

The first 18 years of my life, all I needed was a Rem 870 and 700. Sure, I had the A-5 my grandpa gave me, and the muzzleloader, but they never got used. When I turned 18, I decided that, hey, I can buy guns now. Long story somewhat shorter:

1. I want a 1911
2. 1911 gets expensive to shoot, so I need a .22/45
3. Pistols are fun, but I need a rifle too. SKS finds it way into my gun cabinet (first of many impluse buys)
4. Yugo Mausers go on sale. Done deal.
5. Next week, 91/30s went on sale. Done deal.
6. I had an extra 870 I won at a DU banquet. Decided to sell it to buy a 10/22. End up trading it for a 10/22, Jap Arisaka, and Lee-Enfield MK4 No1

Thats been my last 4 months. I made way too much money as a high school co-op

Edited: The downside is buying a different caliber for each gun. I also have hundreds of dollars tied up into thousands of .22, 600 .45, 800 8mm, 400 7.62x54, who knows how much 7.62x39, some .303

Again, thats the last 4 months. Be careful.

August 29, 2004, 10:33 AM
Do I really need to spend another $700 or so on a rifle when I could do other things w/ the money (pay off my car faster!).

I often try to reason like you do - but I eventually give in and spend the money! I bought my $700 rifle just a few weeks ago! Luckily I still have money for food and the car is still in the driveway! :D

In reality, what situation that I'm likely to be in would actually require a 150-400 yd shot?

Who cares? If you like long range shooting a rifle is nice to have. If you have self protection in mind buying the rifle - then I say there is virtually no situation where a civilian in the US would be required to make a 150 - 400 yard shot in self defense. I like shooting my .308 for the fun of it and that is good enough for me!;)

August 29, 2004, 11:30 AM
A member on another forum posted some replies he makes to customers in his gunshop and I hope he won't mind my repeating them here.

Customer: I have enough guns.
Dealer: They are still making them so obviously you don't.

C: I already have three guns.
D: I have three guns ON ME.

C: I already own 25 guns.
D: I have 25 guns in my car.

I'd like to add a comment made by a minister I recently heard speak. He said that in his work he has visited many people during their last few minutes on Earth. He says that so far not one of them ever said that they wished they had another 15 minutes so they could bitch some more.

joe sixpack
August 29, 2004, 10:42 PM
Car payments are boring. Life isn't always about what makes the most

cheers, ab

August 29, 2004, 11:18 PM
add a .22 rifle and a 30-06 and you are set

August 29, 2004, 11:52 PM
need? Not really.
But a .22 rifle and pistol would sure be a good idea.

Whatever makes you happy, really. :)

August 30, 2004, 05:46 PM
Life isn't always about what makes the most Words to live by! :D

This thread has me wondering... did I really NEED to order that 8th, 9th and 10th AR lower receiver last week.

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