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Citadel99
August 29, 2004, 09:19 AM
Should I go ahead and buy a collapsable stock for my M4. I can get one right now at a good price from my local dealer. However, I have a looming feeling that the ban will be renewed and I'll be stuck with a stock I can not use.

What do yall think?

Mark

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boofus
August 29, 2004, 09:52 AM
If the ban for some reason oozes its way out of the leftwing cesspool you could always permanently fix the stock open with JB weld or a screw.

PMDW
August 29, 2004, 08:50 PM
If the ban is renewed before it expires ($4.7 Million says it won't happen), just sell the stock.

Citadel99
August 29, 2004, 09:14 PM
Congress will be in session for a week before it sunsets, so we'll see...

I doubt I'll be able to sell it for what I have in it.

Mark

manwithoutahome
August 29, 2004, 09:41 PM
Mark,

Do to the rules, I really can't comment.

The only thing that I will say is this:

F em' do whatever you want. But, the last thought and deal is up to you. But, F em'.

Wayne

Mulliga
August 29, 2004, 10:54 PM
Remember that if you get a stock right now, technically you're breaking the law already - anyone can switch out the fixed stock on an AR and put on the collapsible stock.

Of course, technically the people who conducted sit-ins on segregated restaurants in the 1960s were breaking the law, too...

PMDW
August 29, 2004, 11:49 PM
Remember that if you get a stock right now, technically you're breaking the law already - anyone can switch out the fixed stock on an AR and put on the collapsible stock.

I wouldn't be worried, though. An alarm doesn't go off at the nearest police station when you buy a stock, or even put one on. Unless you do something that will cause the police to come knocking, I would not be worried.

Lone_Gunman
August 29, 2004, 11:59 PM
Remember that if you get a stock right now, technically you're breaking the law already

Are you sure about that?

I don't think owning a collapsible stock now is illegal, unless it is attached to a post ban weapon.

Valkman
August 30, 2004, 12:43 AM
Hmm, wonder if I CAN bet on it - this is Vegas after all! :)

Kamicosmos
August 30, 2004, 11:56 AM
I don't think owning a collapsible stock now is illegal, unless it is attached to a post ban weapon.

The ATF may interpret it that way though. You have a pre-ban stock in the same house as a post ban reciever. Be the same situation if you had a full auto sear and a non full auto reciever...the 'potential' to illegeally manufacuter (ie create) an illegeal weapon is there, at least for law enforcement.

I believe TC won a deal against the ATF...atf was trying to say if you had a TC reciever that was a handgun, and you bought one of the stocks for it, you had an illegeal Short barreled rifle. TC fought that by saying the whole point of the gun is to be able to reconfigure it on the fly.

Sorry for the bad spelling and grammer...trying to type this up between calls at work....heh.

Langenator
August 30, 2004, 12:16 PM
If you have a collapsable M-4 style stock, but don't have the different buffer and spring for same, is that still illegal? Without the correct buffer/spring arrangement, the rifle won't work.

Or does the stock come with the correct buffer and spring?

PMDW
August 30, 2004, 12:33 PM
They don't care that the rifle doesn't work. They care that there is a stock that can slide on a post-ban receiver. Not that it matters, anyway. The ATF doesn't instantly raid your house when you buy a stock. Buy the stock and stop worrying about the police.

Kamicosmos
August 30, 2004, 12:40 PM
whether or not the gun is functional is a moot point. I've seen demilled uzi recievers that still required a Class III tax tag because it was a machine gun...


It's only a couple weeks, I'd be playing major CYA until the ban is 100% sunsetted and history before I start modifying any of my post ban guns with preban, or even post-pre-post ban (or whatever the new stuff will be called) parts.

25 years in federal prison for a folding plastic stock isn't how I was planning on spending retirement.

geojap
August 30, 2004, 01:19 PM
While the AWB is in place, the simple act of owning a collapsible/folding stock, flash hider, pistol grip, detachable magazine and any other "evil feature" item IS NOT ILLEGAL.

Putting an incorrect number of these items on a post ban receiver IS ILLEGAL. You can only have two of these items on a postban rifle under the 94 AWB legislation. You must also have the correct number of US made parts if you have two of these items on a post-1989 receivered rifle.

For example: You can take a collapsible stock and put it on a post ban rifle, and pin or weld the stock open, so that it won't close. That is legal under the 94 AWB. After the ban sunsets, remove the pin or weld and the stock will swing shut/collapse. That would be legal September 14.

I hope this helps.


Also, congress will be in session for four days (4) before the ban expires.

Wildalaska
August 30, 2004, 01:28 PM
The cahnces of any normal person getting charged with an AW B violation now are as slim as the chances of Ted Kennedy's liver returning to normal, healthy size

WildcanyousaycirrhosisAlaska

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