Anybody else here carry without CCW?


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WonderNine
December 29, 2002, 05:47 PM
I been carrying for years now without one. I shouldn't have to get one in the first place, but I may someday. Anybody else here like me or am I in the minority? I know other people that carry without CCW as well.

The other thing is, my state has two classes of permits I believe. One for guns and one for "dangerous weapons". Since I also carry one of the "dangerous weapons" I guess I would need to go through two tests or something....what a crock of crap.

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Spackler
December 29, 2002, 07:02 PM
If a permit is readily available in your state and you're carrying without one, I think that's foolish. Why risk it? That "you shouldn't have to get one in the first place" is irrelevant. The cop that arrests you isn't going to get into a discussion about the constitution with you. The reality of the situation is, if you want to carry legally, you need to get one. Crock of crap or not, you are knowingly breaking the law. Get legal and you'll never have to worry about it.

Strings
December 29, 2002, 07:37 PM
... but only hits the tip...

We KNOW that there are lurkers here that are antis. Is it such a stretch to see someone from HCI or VPC backtracking you, to figure out where to report you?

One word of advice: if you're knowingly doing something illegal (wether it's constitutional or not), don't talk about it here!

Kevinch
December 29, 2002, 08:30 PM
Hmmm...well, I go against my intuition that this is a trolling exercise, just to say that I don't & I wouldn't. Getting caught illegally carrying isn't worth risking my RKBA over.

WonderNine
December 29, 2002, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by Hunter Rose
[B]Is it such a stretch to see someone from HCI or VPC backtracking you, to figure out where to report you?

Yes, that's quite a stretch. How would they do it anyways? Give me a break.

WonderNine
December 29, 2002, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Kevinch
Hmmm...well, I go against my intuition that this is a trolling exercise, just to say that I don't & I wouldn't. Getting caught illegally carrying isn't worth risking my RKBA over.

What is RKBA?

pwolfman
December 29, 2002, 10:49 PM
Right to Keep and Bear Arms

Hkmp5sd
December 29, 2002, 10:53 PM
If your state will issue you a CCW, there is no reason to carry illegally instead of getting a license. Why risk arrest/confiscation/trial/lawyers/jail/fines/loss of rights forever and carry a firearm without one?

Diesle
December 29, 2002, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by WonderNine
Yes, that's quite a stretch. How would they do it anyways? Give me a break.

Very simple.

Go to the web logs from the server hosting this board. Get the IP address(s) of the computer you sent your post from at the times that you sent the posts through. Contact your ISP and have them disclose what user was logged into the service using whatever IP address at whatever time.

Dont let your lack on internet knowledge rear up on you... be aware that you are traceable.

Diesle

Bob Locke
December 29, 2002, 11:24 PM
One word of advice: if you're knowingly doing something illegal (wether it's constitutional or not), don't talk about it here.
'Nuff said.

Whether you break the law (stupid as the law may be) needs to be your own business and no one else's.

tyme
December 30, 2002, 12:08 AM
If your state will issue you a CCW, there is no reason to carry illegally instead of getting a license. Why risk arrest/confiscation/trial/lawyers/jail/fines/loss of rights forever and carry a firearm without one?There are reasons. Principle. Defending your rights. Whether principle is more important than being "free" in society is another matter, and depends on personal situations. Some people can't even defend themselves most of the time with a ccw because they have business in gun-free zones. What then? The options are break the law with a ccw, break the law without a ccw, or become another defenseless sheep running for cover and praying if some lunatic decides to start shooting with their own illegally carried gun.

Hkmp5sd
December 30, 2002, 12:32 AM
with a ccw because they have business in gun-free zones.

That's what I mean. IF you CAN have a CCW and carry legally, you should do so. If you CANNOT carry legally (ie gun-free zone) that is a personal decision each individual must make and should keep quiet about.l

EnfieldIII
December 30, 2002, 12:32 AM
I'll have to go with Bob Locke on this one. This should be something between you and your Priest:D

Strings
December 30, 2002, 04:20 AM
Actually, several police officers have made something of a hobby out of figuring out where people live. In this case howeve, the people in question were teenagers, and they were "backtracke" through simple social engineering (there have been numerous stories about it)...

I wasn't even thinking abut the tech angle, although it IS fairly easy...

GhostShooter
December 30, 2002, 06:46 AM
Please don't admit to (what in some places) are felonies on a public board.

http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/2M16.gif

Ledbetter
December 30, 2002, 02:30 PM
I hate to come down too hard (again) on someone for this, but all kinds of people visit here, not all of them friendly to the RKBA, and the last thing this board should be used for is "proof" that "gun nuts" ignore the law.

This is just a waste of bandwidth; if it's not a troll, it's dim-witted, to say the least.

WonderNine
December 30, 2002, 03:18 PM
Contact your ISP and have them disclose what user was logged into the service using whatever IP address at whatever time.

Yes, I realize that, I know quite alot about computers. However ISP's don't just hand out that information to anyone you know. And even if they did, what good would it do them? What are they gonna do, send an FBI agent out to follow me around and catch me in the act? Give me a fricken break!

WonderNine
December 30, 2002, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Ledbetter
This is just a waste of bandwidth; if it's not a troll, it's dim-witted, to say the least.

Oh you rubes with your "troll" this and "troll" that. If you don't like the topic than don't respond. If you don't have anything to contribute to the thread, than you're the troll.

Jorah
December 30, 2002, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by WonderNine
Oh you rubes with your "troll" this and "troll" that. If you don't like the topic than don't respond. If you don't have anything to contribute to the thread, than you're the troll.

http://www.thehighroad.org/code-of-conduct.html

Spamming, trolling, flaming, and personal attacks are prohibited. You can disagree with other members, even vehemently, but it must be done in a well-mannered form. Attack the argument, not the arguer.

WonderNine
December 30, 2002, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by Jorah
http://www.thehighroad.org/code-of-conduct.html

I guess we're both trolls then since we're calling each other trolls and dim-wits.

Ledbetter
December 30, 2002, 03:47 PM
"You rubes and your 'troll' this and 'troll' that."--Very classy.

This is a troll thread. Whether the starter realizes/acknowledges it or not is moot.

WonderNine
December 30, 2002, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Ledbetter
"You rubes and your 'troll' this and 'troll' that."--Very classy.

This is a troll thread. Whether the starter realizes/acknowledges it or not is moot.

How is it a troll thread? He insulted me so I responded in kind. People who call troll in every thread topic they dislike deserve the same treatment.

Monkeyleg
December 30, 2002, 06:20 PM
If the anti's are indeed watching (as I'm sure they are), they'd be truly surprised at the number of elected officials--Dem's and Rep's--who carry illegally. Judges, city councilmen, state level representatives...

It's not just paranoid Little People who break an immoral law.

NEon
December 30, 2002, 06:33 PM
All the time. We do not need them here! We have a strong feeling for the 2nd!
And if you are trolling and want a location. VERMONT!!

Diesle
December 30, 2002, 08:12 PM
Just thinking... Lets cool out on this one. I think we've all got the point.

Diesle

deanf
December 30, 2002, 10:25 PM
I've been known to, in states where I don't have a permit to. I just don't do anything that would attract the attention of the local constabulary.

As to this:

We KNOW that there are lurkers here that are antis. Is it such a stretch to see someone from HCI or VPC backtracking you, to figure out where to report you?

One word of advice: if you're knowingly doing something illegal (wether it's constitutional or not), don't talk about it here!

How could anyone prove that it's actually me, Dean Fuller, that's laying these electronic words down? Sure, they can trace my ISP account and all that, but how can they prove it was me who typed this?

Mossy Bloke
December 31, 2002, 08:32 AM
But if that's what you choose to do, another reason to keep your mouth shut about it is that the lurkers here get just a little more ammunition (sorry for the pun) for their argument...that gun owners and enthusiasts are a bunch of zealots that have no regard for the law. Something to consider.

deanf
December 31, 2002, 02:13 PM
that gun owners and enthusiasts are a bunch of zealots that have no regard for the law.

I don't think I've ever heard the "no regard for the law" from an anti. Besides, I do consider myself a zealot, I'm proud to be one, and I don't have any regard for some laws - those which are repugnant to the Constitution.

tyme
December 31, 2002, 03:41 PM
How many people have done drugs, driven while intoxicated, been out drunk while under 21, or stolen a road sign? And many of them want me to obey the law and go without a handgun unless I pay a state-sanctioned Right to Life Tax? They'd better honestly repent all their crimes before even suggesting it.

As much as I'd like to carry, I can't. Getting kicked out of college is bad mojo, and I have no faith in the 4th amendment's ability to protect me anymore.

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