Mosin vs. Mauser in Shooting Times


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Cosmoline
August 30, 2004, 02:01 PM
The latest Shooting Times has a great article pitting a 91/30 against a K-98k. It has some very detailed comparisons in everything from speed shooting to long distance and even some tactical shooting. The Mosin won the contest, though I know from experience the accuracy for that particular 91/30 was unusually good and it sounds like the K98 was a bit of a dog. The 91/30 was a nice pre-war Tula and the K98 was a Russian capture with what sounds like a sticking bolt. I believe the test would have been a bit more fair if he'd had a spectrum of three or five rifles from each class.

But with that reservation the article is well worth reading, and gives the most detailed analysis of ammunition speeds and performce for each rifle I've ever seen. The author's general comments jibe with my own experiences with each rifle. It's certainly worthwhile reading for anyone who has relegated the Mosin design to the wall hanger heap.

I agree with the basic "mosin wins" result, but for somewhat different reasons. On average Mausers are more accurate than Mosins, though there are wide variations within each class. What I've found more helpful is that Mosin parts are almost universally interchangeable (with some Finn execptions) and cheap, whereas there are a myriad of Model 98 subtypes with slightly different parts that never seem to work together. I also feel strongly that the Model 98 action has been overhyped. It's good, but it's not the end all and be all of bolt actions. The Mosin is a fascinating action that by all rights should have fallen into the same heap as all the MAS's and Mannlicher-Carcanos, but it just won't die.

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Okiecruffler
August 30, 2004, 02:06 PM
I started a thread about this awhile back, kicked up all kinds of fun arguments. I still say the Mosin 91/30 is superior, but I sure have been shooting my Mausers alot lately.

armoredman
August 30, 2004, 02:07 PM
My old Mosin M38 is nothing drsatically special, but it's mone, and prints 3/2 inch groups at 100 yards with Wolf ammo, and that's battlefield accurate for me. I will try some of the Czech silvertip surplus, as it's supposed to be very accurate.
Mosins are very cheap right now, with M44s as low as $45.99 at Aztec. A friend has a collector grade 91/30 he is willing to sell me cheap, so I will take that next month, and then get the M44 to complete th basic collection. As cheap and good as they are, it's no big deal to get three at a time! For more info, look here http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/ , here, http://7.62x54r.net/ , and here, http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/surplusrifle?forum=10 . Enjoy! BTW yes, I still want a K98 Mauser like the 1943 I had some years ago. Very good rifle, as well! I am just on a long Mosin kick!

Jim K
August 30, 2004, 02:43 PM
The two drawbacks of the M-N are the short bolt handle, which provides little leverage, and the fact that it has to use the poorly shaped and rimmed 7.62x54R cartridge. The latter problem led to a more complicated magazine design than would have been necessary for a more modern cartridge. The lack of an easier to use manual safety is more a problem in civilian use than in combat; many French rifles have no safety at all.

Jim

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