What will be the next batch of popular C&R weapons?


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hartzpad
August 30, 2004, 04:29 PM
In the past few years there has been an unloading of Yugoslavian SKS's, CZ-52's, Makarov's, M44's, M38's and tons of other C&R weapons. What will be the next batch of C&R weapons to come to the U.S.? Aren't Spanish CETME's getting close to becoming C&R guns? Can non-sporting guns such as UZI's and HK G3's and the such be classified and approved as C&R weapons? I can only dream of the day when AK's and other great weapons could possibly gain C&R status.

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MuzzleBlast
August 30, 2004, 04:45 PM
The problem with all these is they are full-auto, as is nearly everything more recent than WWII. Unless the restrictions on importing full-auto weapons are greatly reduced, which ain't going to happen, the C&R party is just about over.

hartzpad
August 30, 2004, 04:52 PM
Well, with CETME's and HK G3's you just have to substitute a semi-auto trigger pack and remove the third pin hole so that full auto triggerpacks cannot easily be retrofitted, but I guess that would make it ineligible for C&R approval because of the modifications.

Teufelhunden
August 30, 2004, 05:31 PM
remove the third pin hole

Since by definition a hole is a lack of matter, how exactly can one remove that which is not there? :confused: :p

To contribute to this thread, I too hope that weapons such as m14's, CETME's and other more modern battle rifles will eventually be on this list with minor required modifications.

-Teuf

WilderBill
August 30, 2004, 05:42 PM
Hey, I'm all for it, but you seem to be expecting that logic and ATF restrictions can somehow be jammed into the same time and place. :scrutiny:

boofus
August 30, 2004, 06:25 PM
What I would like to see is the CMP start selling all the M14 and M2 rifles stuck on the racks in surplus armories. They should be approaching C&R status now right?

As long as they follow the rules for legal transfer of NFA firearms I don't see how it could be a problem and it would infuse the govt with loads of cash that otherwise they wouldn't get. Those of us willing to jump through the NFA hoops and also get C&R FFL are not likely to be gangbangers.

:confused: So why not put all those surplus weapons to good use in my gun safe?

armoredman
August 30, 2004, 06:30 PM
There are unlikely to be many more rifles on the C&R basic list, though the ones you suggest will make it on the NFA C&R list. There will be more handguns, like the CZ70, maybe the original CZ75, and many others that become 50 years old.
Yes, I wish for the day of C&R M14s....shipped right to my front door....

PAC 762
August 30, 2004, 06:32 PM
So why not put all those surplus weapons to good use in my gun safe?

Because they are not on the civilian registry, therefore cannot legally be transferred to regular civilians.

It's the Volkmer (sp?) act, I think.

Hkmp5sd
August 30, 2004, 06:35 PM
I keep hoping someone in Russia finds a huge stash of never issued Broom Handled Mausers and Lugers taken from Germany.

The '86 FOPA prohibits the registration of machineguns for civilian use regardless of the date the machinegun was actually manufactured. Essentially, a machinegun is only legal if the owner paid a transfer tax to the federal government and the government will not now accept payment of that tax.

boofus
August 30, 2004, 07:30 PM
All that can change by act of Congress authorizing CMP to register those guns on Form 3, 4 and 5.

I'm not getting my hopes up :(

Trebor
August 31, 2004, 08:46 AM
What I would like to see is the CMP start selling all the M14 and M2 rifles stuck on the racks in surplus armories. They should be approaching C&R status now right?

As long as they follow the rules for legal transfer of NFA firearms I don't see how it could be a problem and it would infuse the govt with loads of cash that otherwise they wouldn't get. Those of us willing to jump through the NFA hoops and also get C&R FFL are not likely to be gangbangers.

There are a couple of problems with this idea.

The first is that right now there are essentially NO surplus M-14's. In the 1990's, most of the M-14's were either destroyed or sent to Eastern Europe as foreign aid. The relatively few M-14's currently remaining in the inventory are desperately needed to support the current military use of the M-14. The M-14 is seeing a new lease on life as a Designated Marksman's Rifle by both the Army and Marines. The problem is not only that there are so few M-14's remaining, but also that there is no real source of spare parts. Parts can only be acquired by stripping some rifles for parts to keep other rifles running. This cannibalization of rifles greatly reduces the number of complete rifles in the inventory. Eventually, the military plans on going with a AR based .308 "Semi Auto Spiper System." but it will be a few more years before it is fielded in any number and the M-14 DMR rifles will have to solider on until then.

The other MAJOR problem is that no new machine guns can be registered for civilian ownership. This is a result of legislation passed in 1986 and is not likely to change. Since all M-14's are legally machine guns, even if they don't have the selector installed, there is no legal way to add these guns to the NFA registry.

mfree
August 31, 2004, 12:17 PM
Pistols and sidearms are going to be the next Big Thing, I think...

Sam Adams
August 31, 2004, 03:14 PM
The other MAJOR problem is that no new machine guns can be registered for civilian ownership. This is a result of legislation passed in 1986 and is not likely to change. Since all M-14's are legally machine guns, even if they don't have the selector installed, there is no legal way to add these guns to the NFA registry.

I'm not entirely sure that this is true. I remember reading that since all of these weapons actually existed prior to the '86 FOPA, all that it would require is either an EO, or some action that is regulatorily permissible by the head of BATF to get these guns on the registry, and then sold to civilians. Of course, the likelihood of either happening is virtually nil, but it is theoretically possible.

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