Hunting poll


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Nathaniel Firethorn
August 31, 2004, 10:01 PM
Just curious where peoples' attitudes lie.

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sm
August 31, 2004, 10:10 PM
Squirrel tails are considered "prized trophy's" to folks that tie flys for fishing....don't forget. :)

Tierhog
August 31, 2004, 10:11 PM
I hunt, but not solely for sport, nor solely for food. I eat what I shoot but I shoot only what I want. Mostly my hunting trips are spent with my father and brother and that's enough for me.

cracked butt
August 31, 2004, 10:15 PM
Deer, squirrels, pheasants, ducks, geese, grouse.... yum, nature's grocery store:cool:

SMLE
August 31, 2004, 10:17 PM
I have hunted, and would do it again, I just don't have the time or inclination right now.

444
August 31, 2004, 10:21 PM
I am a sport hunter.
I like the whole experience: camping and exploring remote areas, not being at work, spending quality time with my dog, the guns, enjoying nature, etc.

I don't need the food.
Hunting may keep nature in balance, but that isn't why I hunt.

All that being said, I am not a "big" hunter. I don't even hunt every year. If I lived in an area where it was easy to do, I probably would, but I don't. I don't spend a lot of money to do it, so I don't go on guided out of state hunts and stuff like that.

El Tejon
August 31, 2004, 10:25 PM
Don't hunt, but I bankroll it!

I vote "I pull the wagon for others."

Ky Larry
August 31, 2004, 10:40 PM
We have a 226 acre farm. I shoot ground hogs, crows, and coyote's. I don't hunt for food but I have before and would again to feed my family. I'm a non-hunter, not an anti-hunter. As long as hunters obey the law, I have no problem with them.

jsalcedo
August 31, 2004, 10:42 PM
I don't hunt because I'm a vegetarian.

However, I have no problem with others doing it.

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
August 31, 2004, 11:48 PM
I hunt for meat. I don't hunt for antlers.

I hunt to reduce the varmints that the local natural predators can't/don't take care of to balance out the ecological equasion.

I hunt because it helps define who I am, both to myself and to my family and friends.

I hunt because it's as much a social occasion as the quest for meat.

I hunt, therefore I am.


Regards,
Rabbit.

RAY WOODROW 3RD
September 1, 2004, 12:04 AM
Hunt for food AND sport.

I personally believe that it is a skill that needs to be maintained "just in case" the food mart goes out of business and my young ones need a meal. Nothing in the world like a deer roast!

"When" the SHTF you should know that your welcome at Buckeye pdmoderator just bring your guns!

RW3

WhoKnowsWho
September 1, 2004, 12:16 AM
I wouldn't mind varminting, nor regular hunting if I knew all the meat was going to good use and someone who knew how to do it, did it. The quail hunting I did once was a good hike too.

TrapperReady
September 1, 2004, 12:40 AM
You need something between options 1 and 2. I would say that I sport hunt for food. I don't need to bird hunt, but I like to. I also like the way the little buggers taste. I also like to roam the fields with my dog.

I deer hunt for sport, but will gladly fill a doe tag (and my freezer) if a decent-sized one comes into range.

IMO, I could largely care less why folks hunt or don't. The only thing I can't abide is when non-hunters give hunters a bunch of grief about it. I never thought I'd quote Montgomery Gentry in public, but the phrase "You do your thing, I'll do mine" is some good advice.

jefnvk
September 1, 2004, 01:49 AM
Again, between 1 and 2. I don't really need to eat duck, but is a GREAT reward for participating in the sport.

Black Majik
September 1, 2004, 01:49 AM
Honestly I've never hunted, but if I was to, it'd before food or varmint reasons.

Plus I've been curious about what it means to have a "wild taste" to it. Never had deer yet. :o

I am interested in trying out hunting, but I have no one to go with, no one to teach me, no rifle and mainly no knowledge of really what the hell to do.

So... I'll stick to paper targets and steel gongs. :D

strambo
September 1, 2004, 03:20 AM
I voted for #3 as it was the best choice for me...but why would I ever "NEED" to hunt for sport/trophy?:confused: Ah, I might have a blank space to fill on the den wall in my next house...nevermind.:D

Feanaro
September 1, 2004, 03:50 AM
I picked sport, because I honestly don't NEED the food I hunt for. But on the other hand I can't find Quail or Deer meat, for example, at Wal-Mart and I really like both. But, back on the sporting sporting, I hunt because I enjoy it. Back to my non-sporting, I don't hunt the biggest bucks. Killing off the best animals only makes the later generations smaller and smaller, so I think. But a big 'ol pair of antler over the fireplace would sure look great... I have almost as many waffles here as Kerry. :D

Piney
September 1, 2004, 05:25 AM
I hunted for years, but haven’t for about 15. Last night I stopped at a friends and he wanted me to try his venison sausage. It was the best sausage I ever had. He takes a lot of deer every year, last year six, and he takes them to a local butcher and gets everything back vacuum packed. Mighty modern if you ask me. I could shoot as many deer as I wanted from my back porch…I don’t know that sausage was awful good.

FullClip
September 1, 2004, 05:50 AM
Had to choose #1. I don't hunt birds and bunnies so much for the food (heck, I'd be starving if I had to rely on my hunting luck!!:D ) But I do eat what I shoot with the exception of varmits. I try to keep the coyote, skunk, crow populations in check to let more young partridge reach maturity (and with some luck my bean pot!!:D )

Getting to lazy for deer hunting, and as I work away from home a lot don't want to fill up a freezer then have to leave for several months.

Langenator
September 1, 2004, 07:25 AM
I'm really between #1 and #2. I do it for the fun and challenge (sport), but not for trophies. And if I kill it, I eat it, unless it's diseased or otherwise unsafe to do so.

Nathaniel Firethorn
September 1, 2004, 07:32 AM
Ray, I appreciate the invite. And likewise, there's a place for you in my modest bungalow in the Greater Princeton Anschluss Zone if you ever need it. Since the deer population control is mostly by starvation and Volvo here, it oughta be good hunting. :D

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TerryBob
September 1, 2004, 08:11 AM
What Rabbit said, word for word.

TerryBob

Carlos Cabeza
September 1, 2004, 09:43 AM
I didn't vote because I hunt as much for sport as I do for the food. Primarily I hunt because I like all the tasty vittles that the almighty has provided for me to harvest, and if, on the off chance, I get to bag a bruiser or a 12" bearded gobbler, that makes it all the more exciting.

DigMe
September 1, 2004, 10:15 AM
I don’t know that sausage was awful good.

Piney,

You should try my mom's chicken fried deer steak. Incredible...mouth-watering.

Venison is so much better for you than most farm-raised beef as well. No unnatural ingredients injected or given to the deer and it's leaner than beef. You just have to be more careful not to overcook it than you do with beef.

brad cook

DevilDog
September 1, 2004, 10:17 AM
1 & 2

Ktulu
September 1, 2004, 10:24 AM
I find the choices in this poll...lacking.

I hunt to have hunted. Everything else: the kill, the sport, the meat, the trophy is superfluous.

Newt
September 1, 2004, 11:51 AM
I voted sport, however, I'm not a trophy hunter. I will hunt whatever is legal to hunt. To quote Ktulu... "I hunt to have hunted." I hunt with friends and family that make the hunt much more enjoyable. So I'll have to say 1 & 2.

jdkelly
September 1, 2004, 12:10 PM
I hunt for the experience.


I'll shoot a buck and use the meat, but I won't shoot a doe for its meat.

If someone in camp wants meat I'll shoot a doe on my tag (late in the week) and give most of the meat to them.


Respectfully,

jdkelly

aerod1
September 1, 2004, 12:37 PM
I hunt for fun and sport but I do eat the meat.

Jim

Werewolf
September 1, 2004, 12:59 PM
I haven't hunted since I was a teenager and hunted with my father. I am now 52.

IMO:

1) if one hunts for food fine.

2) if one hunts for sport but eats what one kills or makes it available to others then fine.

3) if one hunts for sport and just takes the trophy leaving a dead animal in the wild then one is little better than a psychopathic killer. Killing for killing's sake and keeping a reminder of it is just wrong. Jeffrey Dahmer did that only he kept his trophies in the freezer (ate some too if I remember right).

[rant mode on]
Regarding #3 I suppose if one is just into the sport and the killing that it would be OK if you took the animal on in a manner that would give it even odds of taking the hunter out. Deer are pretty tough but killing one with a gun really isn't all that difficult once you find it. Try taking one on with just your bare hands, a knife or a rope and the game is now a real challenge. Wanna hunt bear or lion take it on with a knife, a spear or bow. If there's no danger to the hunter and he kills just to kill and have a reminder then he is an aberation of nature and nature is better off without him...
[rant mode off]

DigMe
September 1, 2004, 01:10 PM
3) if one hunts for sport and just takes the trophy leaving a dead animal in the wild then one is little better than a psychopathic killer. Killing for killing's sake and keeping a reminder of it is just wrong. Jeffrey Dahmer did that only he kept his trophies in the freezer (ate some too if I remember right).

Personally, I'm of the opinion that there's a difference between killing people and animals (I share that opinion with the laws of our country as well). I don't do the above, except maybe with nuisance animals for which there is no trophy to take, but you sure are being presumptious by assuming that a person who does that is killing just because they like killing. The real stretch though is comparing them to Jeffrey Dahmer.

brad cook

rust collector
September 1, 2004, 01:22 PM
Hunting is, for me, more than sport and more than subsistence. It's a connection with my ancestors, family members, and my friends. It's a good opportunity to get a little closer to the earth, to smell the wetlands and listen to the redwing blackbirds. Tromping along the edge of a tree belt or sampling the bass population of a stock dam in the middle of nowhere is just plain and simple joy.

Yeehaw. I think I'll have to dig out my hunting gear and go. It's the best time of year to be right here.

Can'thavenuthingood
September 1, 2004, 02:04 PM
Grew up in Minnesota eating squirrel, deer, pheasant, duck and goose. Every deer season the farmhouse would fill up with Dad's buddies and they'd fill the tag.

Me and younger brother were used as dogs to scare up pheasant. Had fun running through the brush, one of the few times we made noise.

I last hunted in 1974, since then huntings been confined to the local meat counter. Everytime I went back home Dad or someone I was visiting would haul out some venison steaks or sausage. But that was years ago.

Howcum we can't get venison in the supermarkets or a niche store? Seems it would be profitable for some cattle rancher somewhere. They are raising Ostrich, Emu's and Buffalo, why not Bambi?

Two summers ago I was in Minnesota and the Geese were everywhere, many, many more than I remember as a kid. I filmed a gaggle of fifty seven in my brother in laws yard, lotta food there. Same with the deer, seems they are everywhere sticking their tongues out at you. Hunting regs must have gotten fairly tight or there are fewer hunters. Or more hunters that need practice in stealth and shooting.

Vick

Werewolf
September 1, 2004, 02:08 PM
Personally, I'm of the opinion that there's a difference between killing people and animals (I share that opinion with the laws of our country as well). I don't do the above, except maybe with nuisance animals for which there is no trophy to take, but you sure are being presumptious by assuming that a person who does that is killing just because they like killing. The real stretch though is comparing them to Jeffrey Dahmer.I should have included in my list that killing vermin (creatures that negatively impact humans and their environment) is also not only acceptable but necessary.

OTOH I stand by my statement that killing just for killing's sake and taking a reminder of it is just plain wrong. Psychopathic may be an overstatement but not by very much. There is something just fundamentally wrong with killing a living creature that is doing one no harm, is minding its own business and isn't need as food for another - be it a man or some lower form of animal life. As far as I know only man kills for any purpose other than the acquisition of food, a mate or territory.

Carlos Cabeza
September 1, 2004, 02:19 PM
Do people who hunt mountain goat eat them ? What about big game hunters in Africa ? Do they eat everything they shoot ? To me it would seem that this is primarily for sport, although I'm sure the indigenous peoples of Africa like to eat or consume many things we would not. You know, buzzards gotta eat, same as worms..................

The Canadian geese population is really getting out of hand. They seem to have figured out that they can hang out darn near anywhere with no natural predation. I think we need EXTENDED SEASONS !!!!!!!!

auschip
September 1, 2004, 02:20 PM
As far as I know only man kills for any purpose other than the acquisition of food, a mate or territory.

Cats do, elephants do (out of boredom), dogs do also (my inlaws have a lab that hates possums, but he might be abnormal).

With regard to killing game and leaving the meat, it is illegal in most if not all states. It has been discussed here before, but for some reason people have this idea that trophy hunting involves only taking the hide and horns and leaving everything else to rot. I'm not sure why they think that, but it is patently false.

I consider myself a trophy hunter because I will pass on a small or immature buck. I still shoot my limit of does every year, and butcher and eat what I kill.

iamkris
September 1, 2004, 02:39 PM
I'm really between 1&2. I don't NEED to harvest my own food but it cements my place in the natural order of things. I don't condone pure sport/trophy hunting, e.g., no use for the animal outside of pure killing and/or to have the head on a wall. That said, it is not my place to change what others do.

DigMe
September 1, 2004, 02:41 PM
What about big game hunters in Africa ? Do they eat everything they shoot ?

Usually the meat goes to local villages. I think that's the law in a lot of places and those villages rely on the meat of the foreign hunters.

brad cook

jojosdad
September 1, 2004, 03:05 PM
I agree with Rabbit and Terry:
I hunt for meat. I don't hunt for antlers.

I hunt to reduce the varmints that the local natural predators can't/don't take care of to balance out the ecological equasion.

I hunt because it helps define who I am, both to myself and to my family and friends.

I hunt because it's as much a social occasion as the quest for meat.

I hunt, therefore I am.

I don't hunt for trophies but have no problem with people who do if they use the meat.

BTW - one of my favorite bumper stickers (drives the PETA folk nuts, too)
I LOVE ANIMALS - THEY'RE DELICIOUS!

Atticus
September 1, 2004, 05:28 PM
I agree with the others....I hunt for many reasons....and ET- people benefit far more from hunting funds than the reverse. Every state owned public shooting range in Ohio is on state game lands. Besides what would a box of ammo cost if it were not for the "ecomomy of scale" benefit provided by hunters in relation to the cost of brass, powder, primer, labor, etc.? I'm sure it would far exceed the small tax charged.

WhiteKnight
September 1, 2004, 05:52 PM
I once read a quote that stated
"A bowhunter is one who sees how close he can get to game before taking it, while an archer is one who sees how far away they can be."

sorry if I managed to butcher it. i'm recalling it from off the top of my head

I fall into the "archer" (or in my case, rifleman) category of the above statement. I have an unquenchable interest in firearms and shooting itself, and hunting is merely a chance for me to put to use the tool which I value so highly. I enjoy choosing the gun/load/sighting in.....examination of wound channel/damage etc. almost more than I enjoy hunting itself.

Mannlicher
September 1, 2004, 09:06 PM
I did not play with the poll, cause it did not list, to me, the most important reasons.
I hung because I love nature, and I love being outdoors. I hunt because hunting pits my skills in the woods against the prey's skills. Win loose, or draw, its an exciting contest.
I don't trophy hunt. I don't hunt with dogs. I eat what I kill. My time in the woods is as important as any success I have with the hunt.
I hunt because the woods is a great place to get away. Being alone in Nature gives one time to think, to reflect. Its like a battery recharge. Being in the woods, gives one a new perspective on Nature, on life, on our place in everything.


I hunt because I love to.

Kim
September 1, 2004, 11:45 PM
I hunt and eat what I kill. I will kill varmits that are causing problems. I don't need to hunt to eat. I wanted to prove to myself that I could kill, clean and feed myself. I connects me to a more honest time of human existence. I don't like to kill but there is a felling of being more in touch with myself. I did not want to loose that ability. And who knows someday I might have to know how to kill,clean and prepare wild meat. We live in a culture where killing is a bad word. But I think that instinct and ability is an important aspect of human nature( all nature really). Anyway it is hard to explain. Maybe since I am female it gives me a more true complete aspect of myself.:scrutiny:

jeff-10
September 2, 2004, 12:06 AM
Fishing is great where I live but the hunting kind of sucks. I often consider moving just so I could hunt regularly during season.

Michigander
September 2, 2004, 12:36 AM
I was torn between sport and food. I chose sport because I don't "have to" hunt for food, but that is certainly a great pleasure of it all.

The real reason is to enjoy the time with nature and friends.

cracked butt
September 2, 2004, 01:47 AM
Regarding #3 I suppose if one is just into the sport and the killing that it would be OK if you took the animal on in a manner that would give it even odds of taking the hunter out. Deer are pretty tough but killing one with a gun really isn't all that difficult once you find it. Try taking one on with just your bare hands, a knife or a rope and the game is now a real challenge. Wanna hunt bear or lion take it on with a knife, a spear or bow. If there's no danger to the hunter and he kills just to kill and have a reminder then he is an aberation of nature and nature is better off without him...

Predators don't believe in sports or even odds, they use what God gave them to take game. Bears have claws, sharks have teeth and speed, humans have brains. There are still African tribes that hunt Lions with spears, however, they hunt in groups of 10-20 men, they aren't fools and they don't have any false notion of 'sporting' .

Werewolf
September 2, 2004, 09:39 AM
cracked butt correctly pointed out:Predators don't believe in sports or even odds, they use what God gave them to take game. Bears have claws, sharks have teeth and speed, humans have brains. There are still African tribes that hunt Lions with spears, however, they hunt in groups of 10-20 men, they aren't fools and they don't have any false notion of 'sporting' .Thanks for proving my point.

Predators hunt for food. It's what they do.
The tribes you reference that hunt lions do it out of necessity. The lions are in direct competition with them for food. Lions are vermin to them.

Neither noted example is hunting for for sport as was correctly pointed out.

Killing animals out of necessity, to control over population or for food is a totally correct, proper and often necessary thing to do. If one enjoys that then so much the better for the one doin it.

BUT!Killing animals just for the sake of killing and to take home a reminder is a totally incorrect thing to do. It is against nature. It is an aberation. It is sick!

Lions are big, strong and have claws but the prey they hunt have great hearing and can run very fast. I've read that the lion loses 90% of the time.

Ya wanna hunt for the challenge of it all. Ya wanna hunt because yur a sick bastard that enjoys killing then do it with the same odds of winning that your average predator has. Don't wanna die then take on the vegetarians of nature just like animal predators do but don't use a gun. The only challenge in that is finding the animal. Killing it then becomes a no brainer with a gun.

If the tracking down of one's prey and the thrill of the chase is what one is into then a camera would do as well as a gun would when all is said and done.

Man's at the top of the food chain for a reason - brains. Killing those on lower rungs is altogether right and proper for almost every reason other than because we can. We're at the top - yes - and with that position comes some responsibility. Most recognize that. Some it seems - DON'T.

Zach S
September 2, 2004, 02:10 PM
I dont hunt, never really took an interest.

Trophy hunters don't bother me, as long as they eat the meat or give it to someone (one of my co-workers knows a guy that does this, he doesnt seem to mind, lol). But IMO taking the neck up home to put over the fireplace and leaving the rest in the woods is wrong.

ducktapehero
September 2, 2004, 02:21 PM
I hunt for food. That is when I actually have time to hunt.

auschip
September 2, 2004, 02:26 PM
taking the neck up home to put over the fireplace and leaving the rest in the woods is wrong.

And illegal.

CannibalCrowley
September 2, 2004, 03:32 PM
werewolf BUT!Killing animals just for the sake of killing and to take home a reminder is a totally incorrect thing to do. It is against nature. It is an aberation. It is sick!Animals sometimes kill for enjoyment, are you saying that they're "against nature"?Ya wanna hunt because yur a sick bastard that enjoys killing then do it with the same odds of winning that your average predator has. Wow, name calling already, very high road of you.

An animal predator will use every advantage possible, humans are restricted by both laws and self imposed limits. In that way, humans are already hunting at "lower odds".Killing it then becomes a no brainer with a gun. Are you saying that no one has ever missed a shot at an animal, or that only those without brains have missed?

cracked butt
September 2, 2004, 04:13 PM
The only challenge in that is finding the animal. Killing it then becomes a no brainer with a gun.

Try taking one with a bow sometime, then come back and tell me how superior you really think you are.:neener:

Werewolf
September 2, 2004, 07:22 PM
Animals sometimes kill for enjoyment, I keep seeing this posted. Prove it. I've never seen or heard of it. I've observed house cats playing with mice or birds they catch but invariably they end up eating them or presenting them to their masters for dinner. Mother cats often capture and deliver to their kittens live prey as training aids to teach their offspring the art of the kill. Those not familiar with typical cat behavior might easily imagine that the cat killed for the pleasure of it or even tortured its prey. They'd be wrong but then there isn't any law against being uninformed or worse stupid so those people can imagine what ever they want. Equating the actions of a house cat that acts out of instinct with the rational mind of a human like some of you want to do is a pretty far stretch.

Some claim dogs kill for pleasure. Having lived with mankind for the better part of 30,000 years or so I can see how some might have been corrupted. There are some instances where one might interpret a dog killing for pleasure when it is actually being territorial. quote:Ya wanna hunt because yur a sick bastard that enjoys killing then do it with the same odds of winning that your average predator has.

Wow, name calling already, very high road of you.That wasn't directed at any individual here and you know it. But I stand by the statement anyway. If one hunts just for the pure joy of the kill with no other purpose than that then that person is sick. If they do it to a human they go to jail or are commited - do it to an animal and they get a free pass.An animal predator will use every advantage possible,And they kill for a purpose. If a human must kill for a purpose then using every advantage possible is no different than a predator doing the same. What was your point again.... I didn't quite get it.

Killing with purpose = OK.
Killing without purpose=Not OK.

See. Isn't that easy to understand?

If there is even one moral person here who believes that killing with no purpose is OK then I'll apologize to the thread and drop the subject. Just one - a moral person - anyone? Raise your hands! Stand up for what you believe and tell all of us that senseless, purposeless killing is moral and therefore OK.

Snaps
September 2, 2004, 07:36 PM
I only bow hunt.. as far as rifles I'm just a shooter.

Anyway, I hunt mostly for fun/sport

HOwever I do like to eat deer.

I'll call it 98% for fun and 2% for food because I know if I ever wanted deer my dad would have plenty in the freezer. I'd just have to go get it

Bridger
September 2, 2004, 07:42 PM
I hunt to learn an ancient skill, something that is missing from the majority of the population these days.

I love the whole experience, even when I come home empty handed. (hey I'm still learning! :p )

Ryder
September 2, 2004, 08:52 PM
A subsistence hunter would not pass up a shot at a trophy and would take just as much pride in it as anyone. A trophy hunter passes up many shots and doesn't eat their kill but I figure it is their license to do with as they please. They give the meat to others. I don't have a problem with that.

I never saw the two as mutually exclusive and have always figured there is room for everybody who hunts.

What there isn't room for is one who doesn't participate telling others they can't either.

Fun is a reason for doing things. Killing is fun. :neener:

auschip
September 2, 2004, 11:03 PM
I keep seeing this posted. Prove it. I've never seen or heard of it. I've observed house cats playing with mice or birds they catch but invariably they end up eating them or presenting them to their masters for dinner. Mother cats often capture and deliver to their kittens live prey as training aids to teach their offspring the art of the kill. Those not familiar with typical cat behavior might easily imagine that the cat killed for the pleasure of it or even tortured its prey. They'd be wrong but then there isn't any law against being uninformed or worse stupid so those people can imagine what ever they want. Equating the actions of a house cat that acts out of instinct with the rational mind of a human like some of you want to do is a pretty far stretch.


http://www.wildbirds.com/protect_cats.htm

From the above page:

"Well-fed Cats Do Kill Birds: Well-fed cats kill birds and other wildlife because the hunting instinct is independent of the urge to eat. In one study, six cats were presented with a live small rat while eating their preferred food. All six cats stopped eating the food, killed the rat, and then resumed eating the food. "

I tried to find video of the elephant setting the trap for the duck but unfortunately couldn't locate it. In essence, the elephant lays peanuts out for the duck in a row, then when the duck gets close attempts to step on it.

V-fib
September 3, 2004, 01:05 AM
We have lots of deer in W. Michigan. Never hunted as a kid. My dad didn’t hunt but I took it up 25 yrs. ago when I moved to the country. Deer is my main quest. For $7 you can get a stand alone doe tag (All you care to buy) until they are gone. I usually average 2 does per rifle season. Last year I lucked out and got an 8pt. Didn’t think that bucks would taste as good as a doe but this one was excellent. As far as “gamey” deer, none of the deer I get are ever “gamey”. It’s all in the quick clean kill and quick care of the animal after the hunt that prevents the bad taste associated with some wild game. I’ve tried Turkeys but I’m losing interest do to the outdated “lottery” for tags and I just got too many other things to do in the spring. I never hunt or kill anything else since I only kill animals for the food value. An exception would be feral dogs, cats, mice and anything else doing damage to my property. Yeah you lawn moles, I’ve got your number! Basically as long as the raccoons, skunks and other critters keep where they belong in the woods I’m happy to leave them be. :cool:

Feanaro
September 3, 2004, 03:30 AM
Killing with purpose = OK.
Killing without purpose=Not OK.

See. Isn't that easy to understand?


This does not prohibit what you argue against. According to my dictionary a "purpose" is an aim, a desire or a goal. Something one strives for. Pleasure can be all of those. People who kill for pleasure have a purpose and it is to feel good.

buttrap
September 3, 2004, 07:27 AM
well if cat dont kill for the fun of it how do you explane cougers killing 30 sheep and only eating one? ohh its just lazy and thinks a feild is a refigerator....aint buying that one at all..and yes well feed house cats kill birds just for the sport and dont eat them all the time.

Werewolf
September 3, 2004, 09:36 AM
According to my dictionary a "purpose" is an aim, a desire or a goal. Something one strives for. Pleasure can be all of those. People who kill for pleasure have a purpose and it is to feel goodTouche'...

My poor communication skills and tendency towards the dramatic strike again. Perhaps I should have worded my thesis thusly:

Hunting is altogether right and proper when it's end result is utilitarian. Deriving pleasure from a hunt well done is an added benefit.

Antithesis:Hunting solely for the pleasure of the kill in the absence of other purpose is morally wrong.

cracked butt
September 3, 2004, 08:49 PM
If one hunts just for the pure joy of the kill with no other purpose than that then that person is sick.

Is this just your opinion, or is this 'sickness' actually something that is acknowledged by Psychologists?



If they do it to a human they go to jail or are commited - do it to an animal and they get a free pass

Yes because a boy=a rat= cockroach.:rolleyes:

4v50 Gary
September 4, 2004, 08:10 PM
Deer :) & squirrel (and lotsa pigeons.:uhoh: )

g21forme
September 5, 2004, 07:37 AM
I have never hunted and I will never go hunting because I'm an animal lover and just don't feel any need to do it. With that said if you guys want to go hunting so you can have a nice 8 point trophy go for it! Just because I don't want to to it doesn't mean I think it's wrong it's just not for me. I used to work at an archery range and there were a lot of shooters that didn't hunt but we all have choices in life and we should all do what makes us happy.

rugerman
September 5, 2004, 09:55 AM
Other than a beef steak every now an then and some chicken the rest of the meat in my diet is something that I caught (fish, shrimp, crab) or killed (deer, dove, etc). Haven't bought burger in about 10 years and yes the deer sausage is really good, and the cube ain't bad either. rugerman

stevelyn
September 5, 2004, 09:57 AM
I'm a subsistence hunter. My first mission is to fill the freezer and smokehouse. If it has a nice rack that's okay, if not, that's okay too. I'm not going out for bragging rights. Regardless, I enjoy the totality of the experience. From preparation to having to butcher a moose the size of a draft horse.
I also hunt predators and furbearers for their fur and varmints just because I can.

RocketMan
September 5, 2004, 03:34 PM
Don't hunt now as I've never really been interested.
Hunted pheasant with my father when I was in jr. high school, and while fun, it just didn't spark much of an interest.
However, now I work with several people who hunt, deer and elk mostly, and some bird. Hearing them discuss the sport is starting to pique my interest. I'm giving it some thought and might give it a try.

OtG
September 5, 2004, 03:37 PM
I don't hunt, but I'd like to try. I don't have the time, money, need, or inclination. Plus I think my mother might disown me :uhoh:

-Owen

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