Just bought a Walther P1


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Betty
December 29, 2002, 08:07 PM
I've always wanted a P-38 because they just look so doggone cool . I ran across a P1 at my favorite pawn shop - it has the original holster & two mags. So it's not quite the original P38, but this will do just fine. The frame is dated 11/73 and the slide 4/81.

It appeared like it had been carried alot, but not fired much. The bore is sparkly clean, and the alloy frame in good condition with only the edges of the black finish wearing off. Century Arms, the importer, did a poor job in stamping their name on the frame, partially ruining the aesthetics of the pistol.

There were two P1's in the shop, but the one in the display looked like someone took a rough file to the crown and ruined it. The other P1 was hidden in a cabinet that Oleg was allowed to rummage through. Turns out this one had been reserved for my brother, but he couldn't make up his mind whether he wanted it or not. :p

Winchester 115 gr. ball fed through it flawlessly, but after a box, the front sight fell off! (At the front sight there was a couple of gouges, probably the result of a vain attempt at trying to keep the sight on.) I found it with the aid of a large magnet, and my brother tapped a few indentations into the dovetail to give it friction to stay.

147 gr. Hi-Shoks and 115 gr. Winchester JHPs aren't feeding reliably - the hollowpoint noses are ramming up inside the feedramp and are getting stuck. We polished the feed ramp but it didn't help - but other than that, I am quite pleased with my latest acquisition. I'll try some softpoints later on.

Overall, the P1 is accurate and fun to shoot. I find the design & mechanics amusing, and though I haven't owned the pistol for very long, I do recommend it as a fun, unusual plinking pistol.

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10-Ring
December 29, 2002, 08:40 PM
Cool :cool: Every once in a while, I see P-1's advertised on sale but by the time I get to the store, they've been gobbled up. Enjoy the new addition, sounds like a fun little gun ;) Please, post a couple pics when possible.

Schuey2002
December 29, 2002, 08:47 PM
Yes,please do. I'm thinking that a "classic" Oleg pic is needed.:D

Marko Kloos
December 29, 2002, 09:53 PM
Very nice...the P1 was our service sidearm in the German Army. The one you have is most likely a German Bundeswehr surplus gun. I intend to buy one just for nostalgia reasons.

The German Army went to the HK USP recently, designated the P8.

garrettwc
December 29, 2002, 11:44 PM
Cool Runt! You need a couple more German pistols in your collection now;)

I agree on the pics. THR won't be complete without at least one "Runt with a new blaster" pic.

blades67
December 29, 2002, 11:50 PM
A friend's P-38 doesn't like anything but 115 and 124 grain ball. Since it's just for fun at the range, she doesn't care. Fun little plinker too.

Betty
December 30, 2002, 01:05 AM
And here's some pics:

http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn/onesexypistol.jpg

http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn/p1parts.jpg

http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn/recoilsprings.jpg

And using my best Gollum voice (which I imitate very well, BTW): "My precious......"

http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn/P1GollumRunt.jpg

photos by Oleg Volk

sm
December 30, 2002, 01:56 AM
Congrats , thanks for the report and the pics.

The last photo, what I see is more like:

<evil laugh> MINE!! All mine, ........

buttrap
December 30, 2002, 02:32 AM
I sure like my P-1,one really classic handgun model for

Schuey2002
December 30, 2002, 03:36 AM
That last pic is downright scary! http://smilies.networkessence.net/s/cwm/3dlil/eek13.gif http://www.afternight.com/smiles/shocked.gif

Someone hold me. :D

Kahr carrier
December 30, 2002, 07:46 AM
Nice Pics ,look like your enjoying your P-1.;)

alamo
December 30, 2002, 09:39 AM
Great info. & pictures. I'm about ready to order one from SOG, they've got them for $199.

BHP9
December 30, 2002, 10:10 AM
Some very good advice for p38 and p1 shooters

First let me state I own a few p1 and p38's. They are a fascinating and very historical pistol and now that they are available at such bargan basement prices you would be foolish not to have at least one in your collection.

Having said all this nice stuff now pay close attention:

The weakest point in the P38/P1 series of pistols is the stamped sheet metal top cover. You must constantly check this top cover for looseness. Failure to do so will result in your one day having your top cover depart along with all the interanl parts located underneath it.

The top cover is held on only by friction and the design was changed in the P1 series of pistols as compared to the P38. The P38 had front legs that helped to keep the cover on although both pistols hold it on only by spring tension. The later Model p1 did not have the front legs so it makes it even more likely you may have your top cover blow off if hot ammo is used in it. Try to shoot ammo with less than 1,100 fps velocity because failure to do so will eventually start to weaken and spring the top cover and when this happens it flies right off of the gun.

Also if too hot a loads are used you may also lose th extractor. The extrator design was not changed until very late in the guns evolution and the extrator can walk out under its detent. Cutting a deeper shoulder in it will often cure this problem or simply replacing it with the latest extractor with its shaper shoulder is another way to cure this problem. The best cure is never to shoot too hot a loads out of this weapon.

Very Late model P38's also had a hex bolt run through the frame to help prevent cracking of the aluminum frame from the battering it takes from the locking block. If you have a P1 it probably does not have the hex bolt in the frame so this is another reason not to use hot loads in it.

These weapons will last a long time if you fire the ammo in them that they were designed to shoot. Shooting other types of hot ammo in them will decrease their service life and accuracy considerably.

I have a beautiful 1962 model deluxe blue P38 that is a dream to look at and shoot but I had to learn the hard way about what ammo to shoot out of it. Yes I had to replace the top cover and the extractor but now that I know what I am doing I have shot a lot of the right ammo out of it with no problems and I love to take it out and have a ball shooting this very historical weapon.

BigG
December 30, 2002, 10:25 AM
Glad you like it, Runt. :) I got one too. As you discovered, they are designed for ball ammo. They are a fun little plinker with a pretty good DA/SA trigger.

I steered clear of Walthers after a less than meaningful relationship with a meat eating PPK. I also didn't care for the Professor Lucifer Butts mechanism and all the bells and whistles (loaded chamber indicator, etc.) The current bargain prices are sure to go up once the supply dries up.

Good advice from BHP9, also.

Tamara
December 30, 2002, 10:30 AM
These weapons will last a long time if you fire the ammo in them that they were designed to shoot. Shooting other types of hot ammo in them will decrease their service life and accuracy considerably.

I could swear that the Bundeswehr's former issue pistol, the P1, was intended for use with hot NATO-spec military ball. Go figure. Learn something new every day, I guess...

BHP9
December 30, 2002, 11:05 AM
I could swear that the Bundeswehr's former issue pistol, the P1, was intended for use with hot NATO-spec military ball. Go figure. Learn something new every day, I guess

Good question and let me shed some light on this subject. The p1's that have come into this country came in to this country in two waves. The first wave being about 12 years or so ago and now the current wave. What is generally not known is that the first wave was almost banned because they were originally Military pistols and at the time it was illegal to import such weapons but later the law was changed. They got them in because of a technicality, they were classed as police pistols and in a way they were because they were given from the German Military to the German police which then made them legal to import.

So what does all this have to do with your original statement/question? Simply this.

Almost all of the P1 weapons I have examined were almost unfired or in near unfired condition despite having passed through both the hands of the Military and the Police forces of Germany. The frames of these p1 pistols are aluminum that is black anodized and when you take a mint unfired gun wether military or commercial and start firing it the anodizing wears off very, very quickly. Its very, very easy to see also the wear from slide impact on the inside of the frame at various different points in the inside of the frame.

This is not a codemnation of the weapon but only a mechanical observation and reality of use condition.

I am no expert on the evolution of 9mm ammo but everyone seems to think that the Plus p type Nato ammo has always been in use. Original German WWII ammo was often loaded only a little over 1,100 fps and this is what the Walther was actually designed around. Whe shooting this type of ammo the later model P1 gun will often go over 5,000 rounds of ammo without any breakage but this ammo cannot be compared to some of the hot stuff on the market today or the current hot Nato rounds. A test was conducted with standard ammo about 30 years ago on a P1 complete with pictures of the wear on the frame. Even rugged steel frame guns like the World Famous High Power have been known to break slides and or frames when too much super hot ammo was shot out of them.

It is a tribute to the designs of some of these weapons that they last as long as they do when firing such hot ammo out of them rather than what they were originally designed to shoot.

Marko Kloos
December 30, 2002, 02:29 PM
The weakest point in the P38/P1 series of pistols is the stamped sheet metal top cover. You must constantly check this top cover for looseness. Failure to do so will result in your one day having your top cover depart along with all the internal parts located underneath it.

I've handled and shot literally hundreds of different P1 pistols while I was in the German military. The only breakages I ever saw were broken ejectors, when recruits forced the slides over the ejector without pressing it down and out of the way first. I've never seen a P1 with its top cover "depart". I handled P1 pistols on a daily basis for 4 years, and that includes countless guard duty assignments and two tours as a basic training drill instructor...both environments where the P1 was handled, carried, shot and field-stripped a lot.


they were given from the German Military to the German police which then made them legal to import.

The German police never issued the P1 pistol. In fact, there is no "German police", as the police forces in Germany are the juurisdiction of the Bundesland, or State. There are two federal police forces: the BKA (Bundeskriminalamt, or Federal Crime Office...like the FBI), and the BGS (Bundesgrenzschutz, the paramilitary border police). Neither of those ever swapped pistols with the military, and they never issued the P1.

The BKA once issued the P4, which is a P1 with shortened barrel and "decock only" safety, but those are not issued anymore (and not P1s anyway.)

noklue3
December 30, 2002, 02:45 PM
Runt:
You can find a great deal of info on the P1 at: P38FORUM.COM. I have one and it is indeed a great shooter.

Art

BHP9
December 30, 2002, 07:06 PM
I've handled and shot literally hundreds of different P1 pistols while I was in the German military. The only breakages I ever saw were broken ejectors, when recruits forced the slides over the ejector without pressing it down and out of the way first. I've never seen a P1 with its top cover "depart". I handled P1 pistols on a daily basis for 4 years, and that includes countless guard duty assignments and two tours as a basic training drill instructor...both environments where the P1 was handled, carried, shot and field-stripped a lot.

I would suggest you take a P38 or P1 out and shoot only about 400 or 500 hot loads through one. Often it takes a lot less than that to see a top cover depart. Carrying a P38 is one thing but people besides myself who have tried extensive shooting of hot loads through them all had the same problem with top covers departing the slide. This is not a secret unkown problem but one that is well known amoung people who collect and shoot these guns extensively.

The famous Gunsmith and GuwriterJ.B.Wood and his book Trouble shooting your handgun also mentions this very problem with the P38.

The German police never issued the P1 pistol. In fact, there is no "German police", as the police forces in Germany are the juurisdiction of the Bundesland, or State. There are two federal police forces: the BKA (Bundeskriminalamt, or Federal Crime Office...like the FBI), and the BGS (Bundesgrenzschutz, the paramilitary border police). Neither of those ever swapped pistols with the military, and they never issued the P1.

What you say is partially true. The German police used other weapons beside the P1 but it was well published in the Gun Rags some time ago that the P1's were indeed handed down to some police agency's after the military were through with them. This is what allowed their importation the first time about 15 years ago.

I believe this info is also to be found in Gene Gangarosa's book on the P38 /P1 that documents its history.

45R
December 30, 2002, 08:20 PM
Looks like "You'll pry that pistol out of my cold dead hands" kinda picture. Enjoy your new toy!

Al Thompson
December 30, 2002, 09:32 PM
Runt, try some of the Remington 9mm JHPs. They supposedly have a radius that allows them to feed in MilSpec pistols.

I had one that would keep all its shots on a soft drink (case) box at 100y. They do shoot nicely.

BHP9
December 30, 2002, 09:54 PM
Runt, try some of the Remington 9mm JHPs. They supposedly have a radius that allows them to feed in MilSpec pistols.

Yes, Yes, I too use this bullet in all my 9mm's it will even feed through finicky German Lugers and its expansion is top rate also. It is truly one of the best unkown high performance bullets available as tests have shown. It doesn't get much press but it is one of the most reliable feeding hollow points I have ever used or found.

Marko Kloos
December 30, 2002, 11:54 PM
The German police used other weapons beside the P1 but it was well published in the Gun Rags some time ago that the P1's were indeed handed down to some police agency's after the military were through with them.

No German police agency has ever used or issued hand-me-down Army P1 pistols. The police of the German states has its own requisition system, and they had pistol trials long before the Army got rid of their P1 pistols. For a long time, the Laender police forces had better handguns than the military: they all switched to either the Walther P5, SIG P6 (P225), or the HK P7 PSP in the late 1970s. The Bundeswehr didn't start selling off their P1 pistols until they switched to the P8 (USP) in the mid-1990s. Why would the police give up their superior sidearms to acquire older and more worn Bundeswehr P1s?

Incidentally, the Polizei *is* in the process of replacing their older sidearms, but they are switching to the P9 (Walther P99), or the P10 (USP Compact). The sixteen States all pick their police pistols separately from the approved model range, just like they did in the 1970s.

If you have contrary evidence, I would be interested to know where and when you read this.

I have "shot these guns extensively". I've never seen a top cover depart, nor have I ever seen a P1 with the failure you describe in four years of active duty. Are you claiming personal experience, or is your evidence anecdotal? Are you claiming that you have more trigger time on a P1 than myself and my entire recon company combined?

I find your remarks condescending, by the way. You imply that I'd know better if I had enough experience collecting and shooting P1 pistols.

alamo
December 31, 2002, 12:21 AM
I've been following your back & forth and have a couple of comments but they certainly aren't based on any experience with P-1s. Could it be that you've never seen a top cover come off because all the guns you've seen & used were correctly used with standard pressure ammo and not with hot loaded ammo that might be used by owners of these guns over here? Perhaps that could account for the difference.

I was also thinking that maybe they were given to the police just to "pass through" on their way to export & not actually issued to the police so that they could be exported as police guns and not military guns. Perhaps that would make them easier to export due to some laws in countries receiving them? Just a guess.

Tamara
December 31, 2002, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by lendringser
Are you claiming personal experience, or is your evidence anecdotal? Are you claiming that you have more trigger time on a P1 than myself and my entire recon company combined?

I find your remarks condescending, by the way. You imply that I'd know better if I had enough experience collecting and shooting P1 pistols.

Are you kidding? He's quoting "Gunwriters" and "Gunrags"! Perhaps if you had more experience wearing flowered shirts and pointing guns at yourself, you could refute him. Until then, your first-hand experiences are worthless... ;) :D ;)

sm
December 31, 2002, 01:18 AM
lendsringer,
thanks for the info and sharing real world experience--I learned something. Since I don't know...what are the spec's on the P1 ?

Schuey2002
December 31, 2002, 04:02 AM
re1973,

Every post that Lendringser has written, I have learned a boat load of information.. :)

denfoote
December 31, 2002, 05:18 AM
HOT-DAMN!!
The first brouhaha!!!!!! :D

My P1, a Bw issue dated Sept 1980 has the hex pin right where it should be, just like my P5!!! I have several hundred rounds through the gun with no problems to date!! :D There are no other markings on the gun that would indicate any other issue than the Bundeswehr.

BHP9
December 31, 2002, 08:48 AM
No German police agency has ever used or issued hand-me-down Army P1 pistols. The police of the German states has its own requisition system, and they had pistol trials long before the Army got rid of their P1 pistols. For a long time, the Laender police forces had better handguns than the military: they all switched to either the Walther P5, SIG P6 (P225), or the HK P7 PSP in the late 1970s. The Bundeswehr didn't start selling off their P1 pistols until they switched to the P8 (USP) in the mid-1990s. Why would the police give up their superior sidearms to acquire older and more worn Bundeswehr P1s?

You are getting your time frame mixed up and putting the cart before the horse. The Walther p5 ,Sig p6 and hkp7 all came after the the P1 pistol. I agree that the Germans did indeed us these pistols but it was after they decided to drop the P1.


I find your remarks condescending, by the way. You imply that I'd know better if I had enough experience collecting and shooting P1 pistols

Sorry if I appeared that way but I find it hard to believe that if you have the experiece you say you have you have never heard or seen this problem happen. Perhaps Alamo's explaination about the possibility of you only using standard ammo would accout for you never having this problem. Its a well known problem with them. As a matter of fact the design of the later model P4 pistol resulted in a closed top slide because of this very problem with the P38. And if you look at the P5's redesigned extractor it too came about because of the propensity of the P38 to loose its extractor if hot loads were used.

I suppose next you will say the the distinguished author and Gun Writer J.B. Wood does not know what he is talking about either.
Just about very bit of advice that I have ever gotten from good old J.B. turned out to be right on the money so if you choose to not believe anything about the top cover problem from my posts what is your response to J.B.Woods excellent book called "Trouble Shooting Your Handgun".?

I have not seen any books on handguns authored by yourself as of yet. If you do some day perhaps you could provide proof that this problem never existed. Which of course is impossible because I have seen it happen more than once in my own experiece and that of my collector and shooter friends.

I really did not want this to turn into a p38 bashing post. I have stated that the P38 is a good pistol if used with the ammo that it was intended to use and I have no intention of every selling my P38 and as a matter of fact I may in the future purchase yet another. But I do not believe that it is advisable not to educate people about the gun so they may avoid any problems and headaches with there weapons. Far better to err on the side of caution as opposed to pretending that the weapon is perfect in every way. No handgun is. They all have there quirks and being aware of them will enable the shooter to keep his gun running with a minmum of problems no matter what the design or caliber.

I find it somehow amazing that so many people choose to believe that every mechanical device that they buy is perfect in every way just because they happen to own it personally or they themselves never had a problem so they believe that no one else could ever have a problem either. I personally take no offense when people write posts in the interest of helping others out and if they have had a problem or discoverd a quirk the reader can take or leave the information or simply recall it in the future if the same problem would occur to them. He then with this knowledge can often take action to correct the problem quickly because he has retained the education he received and thought that perhaps he would never need with his particular weapon. If nothing happens like this to his weapon on the other hand nothing is lost. Pun intended.

Tamara
December 31, 2002, 08:57 AM
You are getting your time frame mixed up and putting the cart before the horse.

Re-read his post. He said "No German police agency has ever used or issued hand-me-down Army P1 pistols." The police agencies of the various laender started issuing the P5/6/7 in the 1970s. The Bundeswehr stopped issuing P1s in the late 1990s. Perhaps you could tell us which German state got these alleged "hand-me-downs"?

I have not seen any books on handguns authored by yourself as of yet. If you do some day perhaps you could provide proof that this problem never existed. Which of course is impossible because I have seen it happen more than once in my own experiece and that of my collector and shooter friends.

I've seen books about bigfoot, too, but that don't make it so.

I find it somehow amazing that so many people choose to believe that every mechanical device that they buy is perfect in every way just because they happen to own it personally or they themselves never had a problem so they believe that no one else could ever have a problem either.

I find it Wild that somebody would go to the opposite extreme. Nobody here said the P1 was perfect, but you are taking freakishly rare occurrences and painting them out to be some wide ranging defect or problem that's happened to you, all your buddies, or the entire Romanian army.

BHP9
December 31, 2002, 09:07 AM
I respectfully ask you a question Tamara. What is your response to to the info that J.B. Wood has published in regards to this problem?

BHP9
December 31, 2002, 09:15 AM
Re-read his post. He said "No German police agency has ever used or issued hand-me-down Army P1 pistols." The police agencies of the various laender started issuing the P5/6/7 in the 1970s. The Bundeswehr stopped issuing P1s in the late 1990s. Perhaps you could tell us which German state got these alleged "hand-me-downs

I have never pretened to be an expert on this part of the p38 history and it is rather irrelevent to the debate anyway. I did not publish the info, the gun rags did. So If you wish to learn more or debate the issue I would suggest you take it up with them.

AS Alamo's post's stated they may have been issued in name only just to get them into the country. His post makes a lot of sense to me. And if true would still jive with what I read in the gun rags. Once again I am just relating to you what I read. I don't understand why you are attacking me just for relating to you what I read.

Marko Kloos
December 31, 2002, 10:57 AM
I agree that the Germans did indeed us these pistols but it was after they decided to drop the P1.

I am telling you again that the German police forces never issued the P1, ever...whether new or hand-me-down. Here's a breakdown of all German service pistols ever used, since the founding of West Germany in 1949:

P1: Walther P1 (P38 with alloy frame), German Bundeswehr (until 1996)
P2: SIG P210, German Federal Border Guards
P3: Astra 400, selected State police forces
P4: Walther P4 (P38 with short barrel and decocker), BKA (Federal Police)
P5: Walther P5, selected State police forces (lower Saxony)
P6: SIG P225, selected State police forces (North-Rhine Westphalia, Hesse)
P7: HK P7 PSP, Bavarian and Baden-Wuerttembergian State police
P8: HK USP, Bundeswehr only (since 1996)
P9: Walther P99, selected State police forces (Schleswig-Holstein)
P10: HK USP Compact, selected State police forces (Thuringia, Saxony)

Once again I am just relating to you what I read.

And I am relating to you real-life experience of a boatload of people. Which do you think has more value when assessing the gun in question: anecdotes and gun rag snippets, or trigger time?

I don't understand why you are attacking me just for relating to you what I read.

I dislike the fact that you constantly piddle into the cornflakes of other gun owners. You never fail to tear down other people's choices, unless they're steel-framed pistols, or M1As. You also spread a lot of wrong information in the process that is misleading at best, dangerous at worst.

I could probably make a P1 break by shooting nothing but +P+ loads through it for a year, but that's not the ammo for which the gun was designed. Claiming that the P1 is somehow deficient because it may break with hot ammo is like complaining that your Model 12 Airweight blew its topstrap because you shot a few hundred rounds of .38 Special +P+ through it. Well, duh.

Marko Kloos
December 31, 2002, 11:23 AM
Since I don't know...what are the spec's on the P1?

The P1 is basically a P38 with an alloy frame. (The Walther P38 has a steel frame.) It's an eight-shot 9mm pistol, single-stack magazine, manual safety/decocker on the slide. The P38 was the main German Army service handgun in World War II, and the P1 was the West German Bundeswehr service handgun from 1952 to 1996.

Betty
December 31, 2002, 11:27 AM
:banghead:

:(

jimmy
December 31, 2002, 11:45 PM
On the topic of Walther P1's, I wonder if somebody could clear up some nomenclature for me.

I have an alloy-framed "P38" marked P38 and 02/1963 on the slide. I have another alloy-framed "P38" marked P1 and 11/1963 on the slide. Except for the markings, the guns appear identical.

Did the nomenclature "P1" exist before 1963? Is a pre-1963 gun marked P38 really a P1 with an old name? Or is a post-1963 gun marked P1 really a P38 with a new name?

If these questions sound a bit dumb, it's because I'm a bit confused. :confused:

TIA.

Gewehr98
January 1, 2003, 12:55 AM
Having been TDY to Deutschland too many times to count since 1986. Learned a lot about German service weapons.

I still want a Walther-made P-38 to go with my DWM P-08 someday.

Just glad I could help Lendsringer out on the differences between the straight-pull Steyr-Mannlicher Model 95, and the turnbolt Steyr-Mannlicher Model 95. :neener:

Tamara
January 1, 2003, 03:07 AM
Just glad I could help Lendsringer out on the differences between the straight-pull Steyr-Mannlicher Model 95, and the turnbolt Steyr-Mannlicher Model 95.

Heh. You should have said "Silly lendringser! The straight pull is the one you tote about in your trunk." ;) :D

sm
January 1, 2003, 03:20 AM
Thanks for the spec's, and again for sharing REAL WORLD experience.

Schuey2002: yeah I know, bunch of folks like that around here.
I'd like to sit in the corner and watch Tamara, lendsringer...others take these things apart and get the lessons first hand.

buttrap
January 2, 2003, 07:41 AM
Well the geman police never did issue a P-1 gun, P-1 is the army version of the P-38. If its a police gun it will say P-38 on it and no they do not toss slide covers all over the place too. If its Police it says P-38 army it says P-1. Some of the older P-1s are marked P-38 or P-38/P-1 though

alamo
January 5, 2003, 01:17 AM
Well, this thread got me motivated to finally get one. I've been looking them over for awhile. A friend is an FFL (no transfer fee) and I took a certified check to him on Friday. Going to get it from SOG, says they are in "like new" condition (It says "Very Good" over the picture of it but if you read the caption, the $199 ones are "like new" and the $179 ones are "Very Good". I called first to make sure they still had them & they do. Fella at SOG said it would be $199 plus $18.50 shipping.

My FFL friend said they usually quote lower prices for dealers & sure enough they told him it would be $184 plus $14.00 shipping. It was definitely the "like new" and not the "very good". Guess they advertise one price for the general public but sell to dealers at another. Of course they only sell to dealers. Since it was less than I thought, I did the extra $10 for the handpicked although I've heard this is hit or miss.

http://www.southernohiogun.com/surplus_hand.html

I own a couple of Makarovs and those got me interesting in inexpensive surplus pistols. I recently researched the Luger my grandfather brought back from WWII on a couple of Luger forums & that got me thinking about these too.

Guy at SOG said that they really don't know anything about mfg. dates so they couldn't guarantee I'd get one with the reinforcing bar. Not a problem, I don't plan to shoot this a lot and will only do so with standard pressure ammo. Maybe it will have it, we'll see.

Are these OK to dry fire? Haven't anything about that. Any other tips for a newbie to P-1s?

buttrap
January 5, 2003, 07:06 AM
Alamo yes you can dry fire a P-1 gun. A P-1 is just a Walter P-38 sold under the german army contracts, a very costly nice gun in the army finish and not the gloss blue is all. The post war P-38 is a much better gun to shoot just like the post war 1911 guns are much better to hit targets with too.

alamo
January 5, 2003, 03:51 PM
Thanks. I've got some snap caps but that's nice to know. Will save those for other pistols.

namasaya
April 14, 2007, 11:46 PM
I have recently purchased two p-38s to plink with. Of interest, I had the front sight fly off on me also.(I never found it.) They handle ball ammo fine but I believe they were not designed to use hollow points. They also both shoot low and to the left from a bench rest. They are alot of fun and for the money about the best 9 mm plinkers you can buy.

cptmonroe
August 15, 2007, 06:19 PM
Do know that there was a James Bond movie entitled "Never Say Never Again"?

Marko Kloos - I am telling you again that the German police forces never issued the P1, ever...

What about the issue of the Walther manufactured, but Manurhin marked, P1 to the West Berlin Polizei?

I have also seen an Bundesinnenministerium marked Walther P1 up for sale, in Germany.

By the way, Sean Connery carries a Walther P5 in the above mentioned film!

alamo
August 15, 2007, 06:37 PM
I have recently purchased two p-38s to plink with. Of interest, I had the front sight fly off on me also.(I never found it.) They handle ball ammo fine but I believe they were not designed to use hollow points. They also both shoot low and to the left from a bench rest. They are alot of fun and for the money about the best 9 mm plinkers you can buy.



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