Sherwin Williams Reverses "No Guns" Policy!


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Spot77
September 1, 2004, 07:11 PM
Just got this on my fax at work today. (Yes, I work for Sherwin Williams)

This is BIG news since SW has almost 2500 retail stores plus a recent aquisition of several hundred Duron paint stores.......http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=1217198

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Spot77
September 1, 2004, 07:13 PM
Sorry, I thought I had it sized reasonably.


In the words of Forrest Gump, "I'm not a smart man......."

mete
September 1, 2004, 08:36 PM
I thought you were accentuating the positive ! It's a tiny glimmer of hope, a rare bit of intellegence.

jamz
September 1, 2004, 08:37 PM
Good for them. Top Hole!

-James

GigaBuist
September 1, 2004, 08:41 PM
Little more readable version:

http://justinbuist.org/images/swletter-medium.png

SoCalGeek
September 1, 2004, 09:00 PM
This is awesome! I just sent a positive note to Customer Service via their website, suggest others do the same to let them know this was a good idea.

Norton
September 1, 2004, 09:17 PM
Wow...that's big news!:neener:

Spot77
September 1, 2004, 10:58 PM
Yup...it is big news.....If you read the memo...."Due to feedback from customers and employees,"

So boycotting and letter writing does actually work.

Sherwin Williams is a Fortune 200 company, not some second rate discount chain.


Due to feedback from customers and employees," :evil: :D

krusty311
September 2, 2004, 12:36 AM
E-mail sent to sherwin williams.Sounds like good policy to me.:D

krusty

JPL
September 2, 2004, 01:34 AM
Good for them.

It's a pity, though, that their paint stinks...

gigmike
September 2, 2004, 01:52 AM
Now if only the ICI Dulux paint store in Tacoma to change their policy against concealed carry. I told their manager posting this policy made the store the preferred retail store to rob. He told me they had to in order to try to dissuade drug addicts from entering to buy chemicals of some sort. Frankly he didn't seem too happy about the policy. Too bad, their paint is the best I've ever used.

cracked butt
September 2, 2004, 02:38 AM
Wow, very cool.

Ialways liked their paint, not to mention their very politically incorrect logo.


http://www2.sherwin-williams.com/ProductsServices/images/topleft.gif

Norton
September 2, 2004, 03:17 AM
>>He told me they had to in order to try to dissuade drug addicts from entering to buy chemicals of some sort<<

Probably spray paint or tolulene. They could try selling the cheap spray paint for $5.00 a can and then gluing quarters to the ground in front of the store and watch the druggies try to pick them up.

Know anything about that Spot77?:evil:

stealthmode
September 2, 2004, 03:33 AM
i will continue to cover the earth with their products

jason10mm
September 2, 2004, 10:00 AM
>>He told me they had to in order to try to dissuade drug addicts from entering to buy chemicals of some sort<<

Huh? What is the logic behind that? Are all the druggies walking around with CCW permits? Or do they really think a SIGN will deter an armed robbery?

I like that quarter idea :) Be even more funny with a 5 dollar bill!

caseydog
September 2, 2004, 11:31 PM
Great change in policy , wish more retail places would fall in ! Here's a resize on that scan btw. Ray


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=1219555

Bane
September 3, 2004, 12:25 AM
That's great! I wish other companies could see that letter. It might make them stop and think about their own policies!

aguyindallas
September 3, 2004, 11:26 AM
I just sent a Thank You letter to the company via the website. Good for them!

chas_martel
September 5, 2004, 12:06 AM
When did they start posting?

I carry there all the time.

I am in Texas

Spot77
September 5, 2004, 04:14 AM
Around mid August Sherwin Williams sent out a memo stating that a no weapons poster must be displayed in all stores; even in states which don't allow ccw.

Lame idiots.

George S.
September 5, 2004, 12:36 PM
I'm curious about this part of the letter: "the Company rules deal effctively with this issue of employees and weapons, we have decided that there is no need for an additional policy."

What does this really mean? If the memo was intended for allowing the customer to be able to carry a legally concealed weapon into the retail stores, are the employees still prohibited from carrying at work in the retail locations?? The memo still appears to prohibit carry by employees at the offices and labs.

I wonder what they mean by "effectively dealing with employees and weapons"??

HankB
September 5, 2004, 07:07 PM
Interesting . . . I've been in Sherwin-Williams stores several times in and around the Austin area - though not in the last 6 months - and never saw anything resembling a compliant "no guns" sign. (Texas have very specific requirements under section 30.06 of the Penal Code on signage to prevent licensed individuals from carrying concealed on the premesis of a business like a paint store.)

38SnubFan
September 5, 2004, 10:36 PM
A long time ago, and for a very short period of time, I worked for a friend of mine who was manager of a convenience store and was short-staffed. Her store had been robbed twice in one month, one robbery leaving an employee with a concussion after being found unconscious on the floor behind the counter due to the robber striking her in the back of the head with the "butt" of the gun. She researched her company policies regarding weapons in the workplace soon after. When she found that no prohibitive policies were in place, she not only advised all employees, but encouraged those who CCW off-duty to do so when on duty, for their own safety.

I've worked for a couple of convenience stores in the past, who had a VERY STRICT No Weapons policy. Most of these stores, as well as other types of businesses, still believe that an employee will remain unharmed as long as he/she complies with all of the robber/attacker's demands....

WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY FREAKIN' ABSURD!!!!! :banghead: :cuss:

One such convenience store chain here in South Central PA, Turkey Hill, advises their employees that they will be fired for failure to comply with ANY of a robber/attacker's demands. Wonder how the company would react if the clerk is a young, attractive female, and the BG (for lack of better words here, I'm sorry) wouldn't mind taking a piece of a** along with him? Will they fire her if she refuses to "give it up"? :confused: :uhoh: :scrutiny:

I still clearly remember a robbery of a Sunoco gas station some years back to which the cashier gave the robber all of the cash and any merchandise he wanted. What did the BG do after all his demands were met?

One shot to the head of the clerk, killing him instantly. :(

I look at it this way: It's called CONCEALED CARRY for a reason - because others just don't need to know. Outside of my part-time unarmed security job (due to legal/liability reasons), it's carried. If I need to use it to defend my life or the life of another from robbery/attack while on the job, I really don't care if they fire me; at least I'll still be alive to get fired.

Already had one instance where word got around of a disgruntled employee where I used to work making threats to "take someone out" and "make the headlines". Up to that point I rarely carried at work as I chose to respect the wishes of an employer/business. After that one day, I carried in THAT particular workplace religously, and realized that, in most cases, regardless of the employer's weapons policy, my boss is not going to stand between me and a BG and take the bullet for me.

It's my sincere hope that companies will learn to "wake up" and allow their workers to exercise their right to personal safety, on and off the job.

-38SnubFan

Spot77
September 11, 2004, 02:36 AM
As an employee, I cannot carry in my personal or company vehicle, any firearm at any time regardless of local, state or federal laws.

the Company rules deal effctively with this issue of employees and weapons, we have decided that there is no need for an additional policy."


As employees we go through pretty comprehensive background checks and still cannot exercise our constitutional right to self defense. Funny that customers are welcome to carry concealed weapons, but employees aren't.

I suppose our (employees) lives aren't as valuble as a paying customer's.

Bob F.
September 11, 2004, 10:58 PM
Guess i won't buy any more SW Paint since they feel that way about their employees----can't carry in your personal vehicle AT ANY TIME??????????

Stay safe (somewhere else).
Bob

Norton
September 12, 2004, 07:52 AM
Bob F.,

Since Spot77 is sans internet for the next couple of days I'll take an attempt at clarifying.

He has a company car....their car, their rules when on duty...... and I would guess that the thing about personal vehicles refers to when on company time

Bob F.
September 12, 2004, 09:51 AM
Norton: Thanks, I guess that's a little better; at least it's their vehicle or time. I took it to mean NEVER is his POV which is waaayyyyy off the wall.

Stay safe.
Bob

Spot77
September 16, 2004, 06:14 PM
Both correct. NEVER, EVER in my company car, and never in my personal car if I'm using it for company business in lieu of my company car.

As much as I'd like to advocate using SW paint (hey I've got a pretty big chunk of money tied up in SW stocks), I just can't get comfortable supporting a company so blatantly blissninified.

wmenorr67
September 16, 2004, 06:22 PM
Oklahoma just passed a law that goes on the books 1 NOV that states that companies CAN NOT stop someone with a CCW to keep it in their car on company property. Before that a company could prevent someone from legally carrying in their car.

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