NPR Audio...did I Hear Right?


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NIGHTWATCH
September 2, 2004, 08:17 PM
Did the author of "Blown Away: American Women & Gun's" say that 50% of gun deaths are suicide? Maybe Im hearing this wrong. :rolleyes:

http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1847241

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TallPine
September 2, 2004, 08:41 PM
That number is probably about right.

Which is interesting because IIRC Japan and Europe have a higher suicide rate than the US ... and they manage to do that mostly without guns.

spacemanspiff
September 2, 2004, 09:12 PM
no, no, that MUST be wrong tallpine!!! the only reason people commit suicide in the USA is because of all our guns!!!

someone must have slipped you a dose of the truth and a mickey of common sense.

:neener:

Bobarino
September 2, 2004, 09:52 PM
last i looked, the figures for the year 2000 were 58% suicides. i can't remember the website that i found it on though. i know people hate facts posted without a reference, but its just about quittin' time and i'm goin' fishin'. sorry :-)

Bobby

R.H. Lee
September 2, 2004, 10:12 PM
90% of people are under a doctor's care at the time of their death. Proving?

Harry Tuttle
September 2, 2004, 11:30 PM
2001, All Races, Both Sexes

Age
Group Rank Deaths Cause of Death

<1
1 5,513 Congenital Anomalies
2 4,410 Short Gestation
3 2,234 SIDS
4 1,499 Maternal Pregnancy Comp.
5 1,018 Placenta Cord Membranes
6 1,011 Respiratory Distress
7 976 Unintentional Injury
8 696 Bacterial Sepsis
9 622 Circulatory System Disease
10 534 Intrauterine Hypoxia


1-4
1 1,714 Unintentional Injury
2 557 Congenital Anomalies
3 420 Malignant Neoplasms
4 415 Homicide
5 225 Heart Disease
6 112 Influenza & Pneumonia
7 108 Septicemia
8 72 Perinatal Period
9 58 Benign Neoplasms
10 54 Cerebrovascular


5-9
1 1,283 Unintentional Injury
2 493 Malignant Neoplasms
3 182 Congenital Anomalies
4 137 Homicide
5 98 Heart Disease
6 52 Benign Neoplasms
7 46 Influenza & Pneumonia
8 42 Chronic Low. Respiratory Disease
9 38 Cerebrovascular
10 29 Septicemia


10-14
1 1,553 Unintentional Injury
2 515 Malignant Neoplasms
3 272 Suicide
4 194 Congenital Anomalies
5 189 Homicide
6 174 Heart Disease
7 62 Chronic Low. Respiratory Disease
8 53 Benign Neoplasms
9 46 Influenza & Pneumonia
10 42 Cerebrovascular


15-19
1 6,646 Unintentional Injury
2 1,899 Homicide
3 1,611 Suicide
4 732 Malignant Neoplasms
5 347 Heart Disease
6 255 Congenital Anomalies
7 74 Chronic Low. Respiratory Disease
8 68 Cerebrovascular
9 66 Influenza & Pneumonia
10 57 Septicemia


20-24
1 7,765 Unintentional Injury
2 3,398 Homicide
3 2,360 Suicide
4 972 Malignant Neoplasms
5 652 Heart Disease
6 250 Congenital Anomalies
7 183 HIV
8 128 Cerebrovascular
9 115 Influenza & Pneumonia
10 103 Diabetes Mellitus


25-34
1 11,839 Unintentional Injury
2 5,204 Homicide
3 5,070 Suicide
4 3,994 Malignant Neoplasms
5 3,160 Heart Disease
6 2,101 HIV
7 601 Cerebrovascular
8 595 Diabetes Mellitus
9 458 Congenital Anomalies
10 387 Liver Disease



http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus.html

Harry Tuttle
September 2, 2004, 11:35 PM
2001, United States
Violence-Related Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races,
Both Sexes,
ICD-10 Codes: X72-X74,X93-X95,Y35.0, *U01.4




Number of Crude Age-Adjusted
Deaths Population Rate Rate**

28,540 285,317,572 10.00 9.92

2001, United States
Suicide Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races,
Both Sexes,
ICD-10 Codes: X72-X74




Number of Crude Age-Adjusted
Deaths Population Rate Rate**

16,869 285,317,572 5.91 5.90


2001, United States
Suicide Injury Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races,
Both Sexes,
ICD-10 Codes: X60-X84, Y87.0,*U03




Number of Crude Age-Adjusted
Deaths Population Rate Rate**

30,622 285,317,572 10.73 10.69

http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_fy.html

Moparmike
September 3, 2004, 06:16 AM
100% of all people that die are homo sapiens! We must cure this disease so that no one will die from being a homo sapien!:D :rolleyes:

Nathanael_Greene
September 3, 2004, 08:53 AM
So, if National Pravda Radio says it's true, it must be true, I guess.

TallPine
September 3, 2004, 11:14 AM
Anyone can quote a statistic that is either true or false.

The fact that a person (organization, etc) twists a statistic around to prove their own point does not necessarily make the statistic false.

Looking at any specific statistic, you have to analyze it within the context of a lot of other facts, including other statistics.

I learned in a college statistics class that tornados in Kansas and the barracuda catch off of Florida are statistically correlated. ;)

Daemon688
September 3, 2004, 12:46 PM
Does anyone else find it surprising that in 15-24 year olds heart disease is the number 4-5 killer?

GEM
September 3, 2004, 01:22 PM
That figure is the one in the criminological and psychological research. It really isn't an RKBA issue or one to go nuts about. It's probably true.

In fact, the argument is fairly convincing as it reduces the actually evil gun use death significantly by 50%. The evidence is convincing that even with a total gun ban the suicide rate would probably remain the same as other methods would be substituted.

So chill out. I know that facts sometimes intrude on ideology. This isn't the case here.

SteveS
September 3, 2004, 01:29 PM
Having worked with suicidal clients, I can say that this is very true:

The evidence is convincing that even with a total gun ban the suicide rate would probably remain the same as other methods would be substituted.

If someone truly wants to die, they will find a way to do it. Guns are an effective means to end your life, but if suicidal people don't have access to a gun, they will find another plan.

Drizzt
September 3, 2004, 07:03 PM
Actually, in regard to the suicides in Japan at least, it's not just the rate that's higher, but the actual number of successful suicides as well.

Jim K
September 3, 2004, 11:14 PM
It is an absolute, provable FACT, that 100%, that is right, 100%, of the people who die each year had been breathing.

It is apparent that the cause of death is breathing, and that practice must be banned immediately.

Jim

Andrew Rothman
September 4, 2004, 03:48 AM
To summarize Harry Tuttle's data, in 2001:

59.1% of firearm deaths were suicides.
55% of suicides were committed with a gun.

50,930 violent deaths

20,308 homicides
11,348 killed with a gun
8,960 killed without a gun

30,622 suicides
16,869 suicide with a gun
13,753 suicide without a gun

Or maybe a pretty picture, specially prepared with High Road colors:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=1222453

Let's see how we compare to the world:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/hea_sui_rat_mal

Selected gun-free utopias:
Japan - 25 per 100,000
Australia - 21.5 per 100,000
Canada - 21.5 per 100,000

United States - 19.8 per 100,000

On the other hand...

United Kingdom - 11 per 100,000



(that's just males; you can see females at http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/hea_sui_rat_fem )


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What a great site!

By the way, did you know that more than 12% of Americans smoke pot?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/lif_can_use

Take a look at eight people at work tomorrow. One of `em is probably high! :D

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