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September 2, 2004, 08:41 PM
That number is probably about right.
Which is interesting because IIRC Japan and Europe have a higher suicide rate than the US ... and they manage to do that mostly without guns.
September 2, 2004, 09:12 PM
no, no, that MUST be wrong tallpine!!! the only reason people commit suicide in the USA is because of all our guns!!!
someone must have slipped you a dose of the truth and a mickey of common sense.
September 2, 2004, 09:52 PM
last i looked, the figures for the year 2000 were 58% suicides. i can't remember the website that i found it on though. i know people hate facts posted without a reference, but its just about quittin' time and i'm goin' fishin'. sorry :-)
September 2, 2004, 10:12 PM
90% of people are under a doctor's care at the time of their death. Proving?
100% of all people that die are homo sapiens! We must cure this disease so that no one will die from being a homo sapien!:D :rolleyes:
September 3, 2004, 08:53 AM
So, if National Pravda Radio says it's true, it must be true, I guess.
September 3, 2004, 11:14 AM
Anyone can quote a statistic that is either true or false.
The fact that a person (organization, etc) twists a statistic around to prove their own point does not necessarily make the statistic false.
Looking at any specific statistic, you have to analyze it within the context of a lot of other facts, including other statistics.
I learned in a college statistics class that tornados in Kansas and the barracuda catch off of Florida are statistically correlated. ;)
September 3, 2004, 12:46 PM
Does anyone else find it surprising that in 15-24 year olds heart disease is the number 4-5 killer?
September 3, 2004, 01:22 PM
That figure is the one in the criminological and psychological research. It really isn't an RKBA issue or one to go nuts about. It's probably true.
In fact, the argument is fairly convincing as it reduces the actually evil gun use death significantly by 50%. The evidence is convincing that even with a total gun ban the suicide rate would probably remain the same as other methods would be substituted.
So chill out. I know that facts sometimes intrude on ideology. This isn't the case here.
September 3, 2004, 01:29 PM
Having worked with suicidal clients, I can say that this is very true:
The evidence is convincing that even with a total gun ban the suicide rate would probably remain the same as other methods would be substituted.
If someone truly wants to die, they will find a way to do it. Guns are an effective means to end your life, but if suicidal people don't have access to a gun, they will find another plan.
September 3, 2004, 07:03 PM
Actually, in regard to the suicides in Japan at least, it's not just the rate that's higher, but the actual number of successful suicides as well.
September 3, 2004, 11:14 PM
It is an absolute, provable FACT, that 100%, that is right, 100%, of the people who die each year had been breathing.
It is apparent that the cause of death is breathing, and that practice must be banned immediately.
September 4, 2004, 03:48 AM
To summarize Harry Tuttle's data, in 2001:
59.1% of firearm deaths were suicides.
55% of suicides were committed with a gun.
50,930 violent deaths
11,348 killed with a gun
8,960 killed without a gun
16,869 suicide with a gun
13,753 suicide without a gun
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