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Reloader 17 and 7.62?

HasoBoxhead — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:55:48 GMT

Anyone know if Reloader 17 would work with a 123 gr 7.62x39? Have a ound and nothing to load with it...

I also load .223, 9mm and .50 AE.

Thanx!

Loading for a lever 35 Remington

horsemen61 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:51:22 GMT

Ok guys I have a list of guns I want before I kick the bucket aka "bucket" list and on that list is a marlin real marlin 336 read not a Remington gun :barf: in ironically in 35 Remington anyways I found one and now I wish to load for it so ill ask anybody got a good load what would you recommend for a powder? As always thanks guys for the advice

Horsemen61

All factory brass ok to reload?

Potatohead — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:46:38 GMT

Hey guys and gals,
Trying to learn all i can about reloading right now, havent started to actually do it yet. Of course im keeping all of my range brass and trying to build a little stockpile (9mm,380,223), bringing it home, tumbling and storing. Question is: Is pretty much all factory brass ok to reload? I just dont want to be collecting and tumbling all of this brass and find out later that i cant use this or cant use that. Im pretty much shooting the basic ammo brands i guess: PPU, Federal HydraShocks, Fiocchi, A couple different Winchesters, Magtech, PMC, Master (i think these may be reloaded already?), S&B, Blazer, Remington cheapies, Federal cheapies, American Eagle...Any comments on brand characteristics/tendencies would be appreciated also. Thanks very much Sorry for long post..

ATTENTION MASS. VOTERS- June 20th Election Day

shawlerbrook — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:38:21 GMT

Ex-Navy SEAL Gabriel Gomez is running against Chuck Schumer-clone, Ed Markey. Please vote and help protect the 2nd. Amendment. We can't afford to get another Chuck Schumer in the US Senate. Thanks for listening.............

Feral hog meat?

velocette — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:27:58 GMT

OK, let me be right up front. I haven't hunted since 1968 when I got back from Vietnam. I've been shooting competitively and for enjoyment ever since though and am considered at least a decent shot.
Alright. I now work as a part time range officer at a large public range.
Some of the folks there have invited me to participate in a hog hunt in a few months. Sounds good to me, but I want to be able to use the meat from the hog for food. Some have said that the meat is tough or strong flavored or smelly ( ? )
Hog hunters, what do YOU do with the meat of feral hogs that you shoot?
Can you have bacon made? or pork chops etc? Obviously a younger or female hog is preferable.
What say y'all?

Roger

Waterloo 2013

Bobsen — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:47:02 GMT

Well it's finally here (nearly) 2013 Waterloo re-enactment in Belgium this weekend
They expect more than two thousand people to turn up to participate in the battle so should be quite a spectacular show I will be taking my latest Baker rifle and accessories along to see if we can drum up some business and meet a few old friends and possibly make a few new ones.
I will take some photos and post them next week on my return thanks for the visit to the website every one we are getting closer to the top now and getting more hits every day thanks to you guys
www.antique-guns.biz
The best forum on the web love it thanks for making it so great
Be back soon Bob

B-P mistake

Z1D2 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:43:24 GMT

I took my new Blk powder rifle I just got hunting last year. And it seems after the hunting season was over I left by accident the "residue" and the primer in my weapon. And I just noticed it. I seen what looked like rust. And I took a light and looked at it and was shocked I made such a blunder. I took a few "dry" swipes to scrub and clean it. Anything else I should do to make it ready to hunt again? And will it be alright.

Recoil pad

chasgrips45 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:20:51 GMT

I`ve got a beautiful Henry 44 mag . I also have a hell of a case of arthritis! Does anyone make a halfway decent looking recoil pad for the rifle? The brass pad on there now is brutal,even with 44 special loads. Any ideas?

Broke my Superposed

andrewdl007 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:08:47 GMT

Let me see if I can accurately describe what is happening. I was shooting my Browning Superposed and all of a sudden I pulled the trigger and it just went click. After that I could not get the gun to fire. So I take the gun apart removing the barren and fore grip and when I try to put it back together the pivoting cocking lever lifter will not move, it is stuck down in the position it would be in if the gun was closed. I am going to see about taking the action apart (or get a gunsmith to do it) but from my very bad description does anyone have an idea what may have happened? Thanks.

Bloomberg - Terrorists are gun violence victims.

Trent — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:36:05 GMT

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...e-Anger-Ensues

Quote:

At a June 18 gun control rally in New Hampshire sponsored by New York mayor Michael Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns group, the name of Boston bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev was read aloud as a recent victim of gun violence.

If you have been thinking about starting....

Jcinnb — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:27:57 GMT

stop thinking and start doing.

Yesterday I loaded my first 40 rounds of 25-06. Accubond, 100 bullets with four powder loads: 49,50,53 and 53 of RL 19. That in itself was a blast after assembling all the stuff over three or four months.

Today I put all 40 rounds down range. THEY ALL WORKED!!!!!!!!

Very satisfying and fun. They shot pretty well, too. Especially the 52 grain load. I am getting better but it was so humid this afternoon, it was hard to get eyes, glasses and bushnell all "unfogged" at the same time.

Here are some results:

Here is 52 grains at 50 yards, I guess I choked on #5!

Same load at 100 yards:

Here is a 100 yard with a bit more, 53 grains!

Pretty satisfied with first reloads. Anyone who has been undecided about getting a start, decide today!

is a piston ar really more reliable?

macomb2013 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:01:04 GMT

I really want to purchase an piston kit to convert the DI gun into a piston gun, give it more ak like reliability. Is it really necessary? during my time in the military the only time my rifle fail is because of the crappy GI mag(aside from dirt gets into the action), so the ar platform is more reliable then most of the people give it credit for. By converting DI to piston, the action of the rifle is not changed, once dirt get into the action it will probably still cause problem. so is it really worth the money to convert an DI to piston rifle?

Opinions on Taurus 9-shot .22 revolvers?

Elkins45 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:58:33 GMT

I'm thinking of buying one of the Taurus 9-shot DA .22 revolvers as a plinking gun. I know Taurus autos aren't always held in high regard, but what is the talk on their revolvers?

I know it wouldn't be the equal of a nice S&W, but are they at least worth considering for a range gun?

Concealed carry options Taurus 709

Arkansas Paul — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:36:07 GMT

Hey guys. Great news today. I logged onto the Arkansas State Police website to check the status of my CHL that I applied for in mid-February and it says, "License issued". Woo Hoo!!!!

Now, I've been doing a little thinking about carry options (should have had it figured out by now I know). I work at a law firm and have the green light from my boss to carry. However, in the firm, 90%+ of the time, I'm in dress slacks with a dress shirt tucked in. What holster options would you guys suggest? I've looked at n82 tactical and they look pretty good. Any opinions about them?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Everyone's HELP needed...Santa Fe New Mexico proposing mag ban!

mkuisi8mo — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:15:36 GMT

Here in Santa Fe New Mexico they are trying to pass a high capacity mag ban (influenced by NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg�s gun control coalition) and we need the support of everyone, not just those who live here to help stop this infringement upon our rights. I don't want to see New Mexico fall into the same deep dark hole that Colorado recently fell into.

Please read these brief articles and take a few moments to visit the last link and sign the petition, your support is greatly appreciated!

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/6/new-mexico-your-santa-fe-city-council-attempting-to-ban-standard-capacity-magazines.aspx?s=santa+fe&st=&ps=

http://nmgoa.org/index.php/78-nmgoa/...e-magazine-ban

https://www.change.org/petitions/san...ine-limitation

My name is.... And I'm a reloadaholic.

allaroundhunter — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:15:33 GMT

Well, this reloading thing is becoming a disease. I started reloading so that I could shoot my .308 more affordably and with greater accuracy, and have since started reloading for every other rifle caliber that I have...

Now that I have nothing left in my safe to reload for, I am telling myself that I need to buy another rifle so that I can buy more dies and bullets! Tell me, those of you more experienced than I, does it get better? Or does the fun of reloading and working up a load never end?

A second question. The caliber that I am now wanting is the .204 Ruger so that I have a dedicated small game/varmint gun. I have ruled out the .22-250 because I can load my .243 with light enough bullets to do what it does with heavier bullets. Another reason that I like the .204 is because I can simply purchase an upper for my AR.

I feel like I'm set on this caliber, but as always, I'm open to suggestions... But please, reasons for the suggestions are the best way to form a persuasive argument. Simply commenting with a caliber and nothing further does nothing for me :)

Walther P38 Threaded Barrel?

Swing — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:53:00 GMT

Is there anyone that sells threaded barrels for the Walther P38 or is having a gunsmith thread one the only route? Google didn't turn up much.

Thanks much. :)

8mm deer hunting question

ldlfh7 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:43:07 GMT

I plan to deer hunt with my 8mm Mauser this year and have been researching ammo. I see that sellier and belloit sends a 196 gr bullet around 2500 fps while others seem to be around 30-30 speeds 2100-2200 fps. My question is will the faster sellier and belloit rounds over penetrate within 100 yards? Using only iron peep sights I can't imagine a shot much over 100 yards. I want to make sure the faster round is ok otherwise I will buy PPU/PRVI. Thoughts?

Guide to firearm laws abroad ...

Swing — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:32:45 GMT

Hello all. I am looking for a guide, either in print or electronic, to the firearm laws in other countries. The data I've found on the web is spotty and, in some cases, suspect because the source is anti-firearms.

Is there a book or site that gives a general overview of the laws and licensing for firearms? I realize that an exhaustive compendium would be impossible. What I am looking for something that covers like so: For this country, you need license X to own Y type of firearms. To qualify for this license you need to [Fill in the blank].

If it helps narrow things down, the only countries I care about reading up on are in Western Europe and Argentina.

Thanks all.

THE BIG INTERVIEW Rick Perry: Gun High Capacity Magazines Are a Must

slamfirev10 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:21:53 GMT

Quote:

THE BIG INTERVIEW
Rick Perry: Gun High Capacity Magazines Are a Must
Is gun control legislation realistic? Texas Governor Rick Perry, in an excerpt from The Big Interview, says proposed laws limiting a gun's magazine capacity is a solution that does not exist.

http://live.wsj.com/video/rick-perry...5-81A24EF6F721

was the interviewer just being the devil's advocate of did he believe his dribble?

1777 french pattern?

murdoc rose — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:11:41 GMT

What is this?

I Carry Mr. Big Knife!!

thebladesman — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:48:48 GMT

I am new to this forum and this is my first ever reply post. That being said, I have grown sick and tired of hearing about crazed coward lunatics just going into a place of business, either chosen at random or going after someone they know, and just raising their sissy coward gun or guns and opening fire and killing sweet, innocent human lives, esp when there are kids that get shot. This to me is a coward, and should be treated like one.

But worse than that, I have grown sick and tired of seeing security guards, either armed or umarmed, being placed in these business and paid peanuts to supposedly protect the lives of customers and employees. Do you actually think they would put their lives on the line for people they don't even know? Of course not and I for one don't blame them.

I am also tired of hearing the sissy police, who can never seem to get to a real crime on time, or theys end one little Barney Fife looking lone officer out to a murder or rape, but then for a speeding car or for a jaywalker, they have about 5 to 7 police cars there. But yet they still think we are dumb enough that if someone is about to kill us or another person, that we are supposed to wait for them and not take the law into our own hands!!! What a crock of crap!!

I have decided to start carrying a large ass knife on my side wherever I go, and especially when I go to any kind of business such as grocery stores or to the pharmacy. We don't have guns in our home (my lovely wife and I have both endured painful shooting accidents and suicides within our family, and therefore do not own guns, although we fully support gun ownership!),

Therefore, I carry a large knife on my side and in plain view. And I don't mean a large knife like a Buck 110 folder or some silly knife like that (although a very good knife indeed). But I mean that I carry a knife that is razor sharp, extremely durable (basically indestructible), and with a blade not less than 8 inches long. Well, I do have a couple knives that have 7 1/2 inch blades but no shorter)! And I have no problem with yanking out my big sharp knife and decapitating a coward ass shooter of innocent people in a split second if I had to!

And I mean I would have No regret or remorse about it either! Then when the little Barney Fife policeman comes and harasses me about not waiting for him, and about taking the law into my own hands, I will look at him and say, "I waited as long as I could for you, I waited a second!"

Yes Sirs, if you have no gun for whatever reason. just slice and dice those cowards!! Slice And Dice Ten Stick 'Em And Kick 'Em!!! that is my motto when it comes to coward ass loser shooters and takers of innocent lives. And I have no problem with doing that whatsoever!! After All, I've done it once to save a life and I'll darn sure do it again!!

Cheap slugs???

Archangel14 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:46:48 GMT

Need recommendations for inexpensive slugs. I don't care what type or weight. As long as they're cheap and not 3.5 inches. Need to practice slug shooting.

Thanks hombres.......

Sig 238? Should I buy and how to carry

AlphaVictorTango — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:34:08 GMT

So I found a good deal on a used 238. Nice gun I guess. My question is who has one and do they enjoy it? Also, do you carry it hammer back with safety on? I already have a P-3AT and this would be basically same thing. Thanks for the input.

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Keltec Sub2000 ?

Biohazard1993 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:32:26 GMT

I have looked all over the internet to find not one answer to my question. Is there a way to lock the keltec sub 2000 open (or getting rid of the folding ability)? I wanted to get a sub 2000 after I had used one many times but I do not want the folding. I love the simplicity and light weight of the 2000 along with the standard capacity it has but i am not big on the whole folding thing, I am not saying it would ever brake, but i will never use the folding and would rather it be a bit more um... "bulletproof" :D that it already is. Thanks guys.

IOF 32 Revolver?

Swing — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:04:55 GMT

Was the Indian IOF 32 Revolver in .32 S&W Long ever imported into the States? I'm just curious as I've always had a weird fascination with top-breaks. Thanks.

Pic in case anyone cares:

Seating Question...Pondering

jwrowland77 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:59:54 GMT

Using the Hornady OAL gauge you find your max OAL, which is where the ogive touches the lands and grooves.

When you go to find the distance from the lands and grooves using a comparator, say the Hornady LNL comparator, it measures to the ogive to give your distance.

A seating die, seats all rifle bullets based off of the ogive.

Is it a safe assumption then, that since most bullets are seated off of the rifle bullets ogive (of course unless you have a really long bullet), and you adjust your die to be a certain distance from the ogive to the lands, that most bullets seated using that seater will give you the same distance to the lands from the ogive and should get the same measurement from case head to bullets ogive when using a comparator?

Was just thinking about this based on where you measure with the comparator tool and where the seating die touches the bullet when seating.....

Thoughts?

S&W Shield 9mm vs XDs 9mm

CountGlockulla — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:59:31 GMT

I picked up both of these over the last two weeks and thought I would take a pic and share a few thoughts for those trying to decide between the two.

As you can see they are both the same size, both are in 9mm, and both conceal the same. If you are trying to decide I think the determining factor will come down to ergonomics, sights, trigger, price, and availability.

I would also say up front that, in my not so humble opinion, either of these two guns kick the tar out of the other compact 9s on the market that are competing with it (Beretta Nano, Ruger LC9, Sig P290, Kahr, ect.)

Sights

Both sights are very usable out of the box. The XDs comes equipped with a red fiber optic insert on the front sight. Springfield provides an extra red and gree fiber optic rod and detailed instructions on how to change out the insert. The rear is a standard two-dot affair.

The Shield comes with very useable white 3-dot sights.

Both sight sets are metal.

I think that if you are inclined toward night sites on a carry gun it is a wash. If you want to use the standard sight set, switch to the green fiber optic on the XDs and call it good. The green FO rod on the XDs will stand out better in low light than the S&W white-dots.

Personally, I run 10-8 performance sights on all of my handguns. 10-8 offers a rear sight for the Shield which puts it in a win category for me.

Trigger Pull

Of the 5 M&P series pistols I have had the Shield has the best of of the trigger out of the box. The XDs trigger is better however. I know there will be at least one guy come along talking about how magical the trigger is on their Shield and that the XD they had sucked. Blah Blah, the majority of the time you will get a better trigger with the XDs between these two guns. Just dry-fire the Shield at the store to check if the trigger pull is acceptable to you. If not factor in the cost for an Apex kit.

Ergonomics

The XDs comes with an interchangeable backstrap. The Shield does not.

The XDs grip is more aggressively textured.

The XDs has a grip safety, and the Shield has a thumb safety. The Shield's thumb safety is unobtrusive enough that you would not need to use it, however, it would be difficult to disengage in a hurry without some serious practice. Some folks do not like a grip safety. It doesn’t bother me but it could be cause some concern from a reliability standpoint.

The XDs has a single slot picatinny rail. The Shield does not. This is worth the extra $100 if you also plan for this gun to do bedside duty.

The XDs seems to have a slightly higher bore-axis. Not enough to be concerned in my opinion.

As far as holding the gun in hand, personally I like the XDs grip texture, however, my wife prefers the Shield.

From an overall ergonomics standpoint, I would let the interchangeable backstrap and light rail make the decision for me.

Price

I paid $470 out-the-door for the Shield and just over $100 more for the XDs. Shields are harder to find generally.

IDPA holster for 1911 questions

Katitmail — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:40:31 GMT

Hi!

I want to try my 1911 Kimber Custom II for IDPA. This is standard size 1911

Question #1:

Is there holster that works best? Brand/model?

Question #2:

If I get 2011 later, will this holster work or I will need different one? Is there differences between IDPA and USPSA holsters?

my SEI Windtalker Fisher sound suppressor came in yesterday

skipbo32 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:27:19 GMT

well.....my tax stamp came in, anyway.

i just brought home my SEI M14 suppressor. i am posting this just to get some newbie feedback or advise, if there are some "dos" and "don'ts" before i use it. it fits pretty tight on my Vortex, probably because my Vortex has a layer of duracoat on it. and as you can see, my rifle is completely duracoated, and my original thought was to match the same color onto the suppressor. upon receiving it though, i noticed that the serial number is #100.....which i thought was pretty cool. i am now thinking that i should not paint it because it might has some intrinsic collector value. i don't know......ya'lls thoughts?

anyway, i took some quick pics. i think my next project is to get my krinkov chopped down and threaded for a Vortex so i can use this on that platform as well.

What is This?

cuervo — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:09:02 GMT

After looking at the thread on the Ms. Magazine article, I started looking around on their site and found this picture on another article.

It seems to be a pretty common picture on the internet, but it looks like a Lego or toy or maybe something homemade.

Any ideas?

June Vintage Military silhouette Match results-Sac Valley Shooting center.

Mustang51 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:07:55 GMT

Here are the results of the match last weekend. There was some pretty good shooting going on there. I was shooting my new scoped Argentine 1909 for the first time in the match and scored a 31. I believe the old girl can do better with a little more practice.

The Swiss did respectably, but were bested by the Swedish Mauser shooters. I believe that this is due, at least in part, to sights that are allowed on the Swedish Mauser in the match that were not actually "as issued" sights.

Fun stuff to shoot

brainwake — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:02:33 GMT

I have been doing more outdoor shooting on private land as of late. I have picked up a couple of the steel swinger style targets. They are fun and we enjoy them.

But I was thinking that I would like to find some cheap fun stuff to shoot.

We tend to mostly plink with .22 But I also tend to pull out the 357 and plink with that a lot.

So got any ideas? Let's hear them. You know we all love pictures!

please don't say cans....LOL....you can if you want...

I guess one minor caveat is that I don't really want to make any messes.

lee 3 jaw chuck for trimming?

greyling22 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:54:46 GMT

so I use the lee case trimming system in a cordless drill to trim my cases. I have issues with cases (esp 30 carb) slipping in the standard holder. Sometimes I have to get pliers to tighten the ring to keep cases from slipping. Could I use the lee 3 jaw chuck for the zip trim in a cordless drill? Would it work? Does anybody do it? Here is the part http://www.midwayusa.com/product/352...ck-case-holder I assume it just screws on the trimming spindle for the drill.

H&R 199 Sportsman Value

Doublet — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:52:37 GMT

This was made 60 years ago , is in 96 % condition . Is Single Action Only . Can anyone tell be a value

Side-folding, accurate .308

Shmackey — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:28:46 GMT

I'm looking for a semi-auto chambered in .308, with a side-folding stock, capable of 1 moa at 100 yards, for under $2500. Here are the side-folding .308 options I can think of:

FAL Para
VEPR/AK variants
SCAR
PTR/G3 variants
M1a in new stock

I love the FAL, but I assume it would be cost-prohibitive to get it 1-moa accurate. The AK stuff is more like >3 moa in my experience. The SCAR is cost-prohibitive. The PTR/G3 stuff could probably be made accurate enough, but (like the FAL), it might cost too much to do it. The M1a, if I can find a used one, might be the most logical choice--but I have the least experience with that platform.

Are there any rifles missing from my list? Anything I'm overlooking in my thinking above?

Thanks!

Barrel cleaning after firing corrosive ammo

Catpop — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:04:50 GMT

I've seen the effects of corrosive ammo on military rifles and it is not good- most often leaving the barrel ruined forward of the throat and about half way down the barrel.
I think the only corrosive part of an old military cartridge is the primer---correct? That said, what is the correct procedure for cleaning a barrel after firing known corrosive ammunition? Is it the same as any other ammo, brushed with Hoppes #9, patches until they come out clean and last a coat of light oil?
Does the action require any attention other than wiping dopwn and oiling?

Welcome to SC

dbp — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:18:12 GMT

Sorry for your loss CT, but welcome to SC PTR Industries.

http://www.wistv.com/story/22631364/...south-carolina

Repair my Tac-65 or replace it...

husbandofaromanian — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:51:22 GMT

I have a Tac-65 that has been gaining weight (lead retention)...

Would I be better off to sent it to the manufacturer to have it cleaned and an end-cap replaced (slight bullet strikes) or would I be better off buying a new silencer (I got my Tac-65 in 2005)...???

Official Police 22lr

ghitch75 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:40:05 GMT

this followed me home from a gun show over the weekend.....DOB 1960....

35 remington bullets in 357 max?

swampcrawler — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:51:03 GMT

According to my Sierra manual, 35 Remington is .358 diameter and loads listed at 2000 fps. My 357 max has loads listed at 1850 fps with same weight bullet. Would the 35 Remington bullet still expand?

Cleaning Military Cartridges

Catpop — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:56:18 GMT

I have some old 7.62 x 54R military cartridges that have begun to grow crud, I'm thinking from having corrosive primers. Can these be safely cleaned in a tumbler? Or is it better to pull the bullets and recycle the components?

Ruger USN SEAL 1911 45 acp

Catpop — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:16:47 GMT

I was in the LGS yesterday (again today) and saw a 1 of 500 Navy SEAL pistol. It wasn't marked very well as a limited edition (and maybe it wasn't supposed to be- covert maybe?). It did have a special serial # of USN04X that was not very visible unless you held it just right in the light (covert again?) and a circular tirdent seal on the left rear of the slide that I didn't recognize right off the bat as the normal spread out SEAL emblem (thought it was the Ruger at first as the Ruger seal is on the right side in the same place)
Anyone have the poop on these?
Price $1099---high or low?

My Little Pony- New Pony joins the stable

evan price — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:55:39 GMT

My local gunshop had this sitting in the window and I couldn't just let it stay there. Negotiated price of $325.

Attachment 185448

It's a Colt Mark III Lawman 2" snubnose 357 Magnum. Original grips, serial number shows 1977 production. Finish has some flaws, mechanical tight lockup and good timing...and the picture is total crap taken on my cellphone laying in the back of my pickup on a dirty rag with a flashlight for illumination.

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Anyone 'hands on' with the new Traditions 1873 revolvers?

Dr.Rob — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:34:57 GMT

Bass Pro and Big Five supposedly carry them.

Looking at their site.. they are offered in 44 magnum.

.22 Caliber Blanks

Sam Haleva — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:33:39 GMT

Are there any 22 L.R. blanks that would be safe to shoot when at home? That wouldn't require hearing protection? Kinda to make my gun like a cap pistol.

an existing thread that troubleshoots newly installed extractors?

luvit — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:14:30 GMT

I have a known low quality pistol, which I would like to improve reliability of case extraction prior to selling it. If I keep it I want it to be more reliable.

It's a Davis Industries P-380 with a new factory slide & extractor made for Cobra CA380.
It was reliably extracting with the original 1990 slide and extractor.
Factory Slide started to crack at the typical failure point for these slides, right behind the muzzle.

Upon the slide returning to fire position, with a round in the chamber, the new slide stops a about 2 millimeters from being fully forward and doesn't allow the extractor to grab the brass. Of course, the pistol will still fire.

If I tap the rear of the slide, I hear a faint click and can see the slide slightly move forward.. I know all is well for the next trigger pull.

It appears the extractor may be the cause, this issue does happen on empty chambers.
I would guess I have a 30% failure rate with Federal Brass and a 90% failure rate with Remington brass.

I don't have a proper size punch to change extractors between the slides, but I wondered if filing would possibly be a solution.

I couldn't find if there is an existing thread on extractor troubleshooting or extractor modifications. If I were to guess the extractor may be hanging a tad too low, I wanted to verify ideas before I applied a permanent adjustment with a file.

Thanks, so much, for your help.

Century Polish Tantal AK74

ba ba booey — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:51:07 GMT

Someone I know has decided to sell a few of their firearms and has recently offered to sell me his Century Polish Tantal AK74.

I have read about keyholeing issues with this build due to Century using 5.56 barrels, but this doesn't seem to be an issue with this rifle, the S/N is in the Y002xxx range which doesn't seem to come up in the recall or possible issues list with this AK variant. The receiver is dated 1993.

The parkarized finish is really nice as is the wire folder, handgrips and muzzle break. The rifle has only had about 30 rounds put through it and looks brand new. The sights and blocks are not canted at all.

The issues that I see here are---Even if this is the correct 5.45 barrel it is a US barrel and I wonder how that compares with a cold hammer forged barrel. Also because this is a Century build and I am wondering about any potential issues with the rifle.

I really wasn't in the market per say, but at 550 with all original paperwork and 2 magazines I'm wondering if I should buy it.

Colt AR47

Autopistola — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:53:40 GMT

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ally-revealed/

IF Colt is making a piston AR47 that takes AK mags, I am SOLD on my first AR!

EDIT: link fixed.

Home Made Grips!

xxjumbojimboxx — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:51:59 GMT

Just started the process of making my own grips! I'm very excited about it!.. Ive never done this before, and am also not very experienced with wood working aside from some of the stocks Ive refinished. Im using some pretty cheap wood right now as this si my first pair and Im more concerned with shaping and honing my ability at this point. Right now im in the the early stages and have just about got them sized. The rest of the sizing and shaping will happen probably tommorow, and i may try my hand at doing some simple hand carving from a home made stencil or something. Then Ill drill the holes (with a sink for the screws) and finish! I'll post pix as I go but I'd love some of y'alls input If you're willing to be helpful! Please be nice I've never dont this before!..Admins if this is in the wrong place please move it... I'm pretty sure this is where it should go though... Heres my first pic, The basic shape.

Remington 1100 mystery part? Help please

xmanpike — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:40:08 GMT

So...I was doing a thoroughly cleaning of a Rem 1100 20ga I picked up last year and after reassembly I found this on the ground. Gun appears to work fine, but wondering if anyone could tell me if they recognize this part and where it should go. Thanks

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New Ones

JShirley — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:53:13 GMT

Last month I bought a Spyderco Manix from member WJR. After we conversed through PM a few times, he mentioned he was saving for another knife, and might be selling some other Spydercos. I ended up also buying 2 Caly, Jrs, one in the standard VG-10, and the other a ZDP-189 version.

The Spyderco Manix was something of a cult favorite. It had a reputation for being incredibly tough, but was also too large and heavy for most people to use it for EDC. The Caly, JR is another cult favorite. It's known for being extremely light and slicing exceptionally well.

The Manix was discontinued because it was just too much knife for most people. It eventually came back in a smaller, lighter form as the Manix 2. The Manix 2 is about half an inch shorter than the Manix was, and Spyderco has done a good job of managing to sell them at an attractive price point. Many custom runs of the Manix 2 have been made, and it was eventually made in lightweight FRCP versions and in a larger version, the Manix 2 XL.

How does the Manix 2 XL compare to the original Manix? If you look at the photos, the most obvious difference is that 4-way clip on the original, and the back lock. The outlines of the two are almost identical, but the 2 XL is significantly lighter. The Manix definitely locks up sturdily, but I prefer the Caged Ball Bearing Lock on the 2 XL.

So far, I prefer the 2 XL, but the Manix is definitely a tank. I can both see why it was discontinued, and also understand why some people loved it.

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Budget Scope for 50 BMG

drjoker — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:41:36 GMT

Hi,

Old Bushnell Elite 3200 could withstand shock of 50 bmg, but it has been discontinued. Will new Bushnell et1040 be able to withstand 50 bmg?

Thinking about either SWFA SS scope or Bushnell et1040.

Thanks,
:cool:

Puma '92 serial #'s, Date mfg??

jstein650 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:35:26 GMT

In all the searching I've done, I've gotten nothing. I understand that when Puma transitioned to Rossi, the serial number records were just... LOST? If that's the case, well then that's that. But I had to give it a shot here. Anyone know of any resources? Mine is a .44mag Mod 92, 92M1298xx.

Thompson Center Rifles

fdashes — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:25:33 GMT

I have just read that Thompson Center has a recall issued for three different models of thier rifles. There is also a warning issued to not use these rifle models until they have been checked out by the company. More info on thier website. :mad:

Health Care Organizations Lobbying To Oppose WI Bill - Doctors Asking About Guns

dc dalton — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:18:49 GMT

Health care organizations are urging Wisconsin lawmakers to reject proposed legislation that would bar doctors from asking patients if they own guns.

The measure, unveiled last week by Rep. Michael Schraa, R-Oshkosh, "is detrimental to medical providers' ability to educate patients and in so doing prevent injury and death," the organizations said in a memo Monday to legislators.

Time to back up your legislators and tell the medical corporations to get out of our lives! We don't have a bill number yet but as soon as we do we will let you know.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...6cf4e720c.html

308 Powder

willyp — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:13:46 GMT

What is the best overall powder for a 308? I plan on shooting bullets from 125gr to 165gr.

Thanks in advance.

9mm availability

chrt396 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:00:26 GMT

Looked in a few places for 124g FMJ ammo for reloading and did not have much luck..but stumbled upon Widners reloading web site and ordered 2900 Hornady 124g FMJ for $410 with free shipping...no tax. Shipping was VERY fast, Got it in less than 5 days! As I type this thread..there was still some in stock. It is under bulk ammo.

Which Commander 1911 to get?

Theraztastic — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:49:35 GMT

I am currently looking at 3 compact 1911s and do not know which one I want to get. A Sig Sauer C3, a Kimber Compact CDP ii, or a Ruger SR1911 Commander. I have owned a full size Ruger SR1911 and never had a problem with it but sold it to get something with the option of concealing. The Kimber might cost a little more than I would like to pay but I will pay it if I think it will be worth it. I have heard about issues with the Sig having problems ejecting the last round but I am not sure how common the problem is and I find the gun very appealing. The Ruger is the one that I may fall back on if I bail out on the others because I have owned one and had no issues with it. What do yall think between the 3? Anyone have experience with the Sig or Kimber? Any other compact 1911s that are similiar?

Traditional style stiletto ...

Swing — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:40:10 GMT

Hello all. I am interested in obtaining a traditional, European-style stiletto with a 4-5" blade that isn't a piece of crap. Most I've found may look half-way decent, but they are of really poor workmanship. Anywho, I don't mind spending quit a bit more, provided its a solid knife.

By stiletto, I don't mean a switchblade. Automatic knives are legal to own in my state, but not to carry, and since doing is a serious crime, I am not looking for an auto.

Thanks for any links, etc. :)

James Yeager vs. your average reloader... let's compare resumes

Bovice — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:24:29 GMT

So I was cruising around on youtube, and stumbled on several video posts from James Yeager. This one I thought was the funniest.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsxdk1V8i-M&feature=relmfu

Now, we all know that it isn't unheard of for 9mm to operate in the 30-32k psi range, and .40 has a ceiling at 35k. Most of it probably stays between 30-33k I'd imagine, unless you have it at the absolute top.

So my question is this; based on your loading habits and your chrono data (if applicable), would you consider 9mm to be "high pressure"? Given that I load mine on the healthy side with universal for reliably knocking over steel, I'd say yes. In terms of pressure, it would be closer to .40/357 SIG than .45 auto.

This isn't intended as a debate on what's best, I'm just trying to get a feel for how fellow reloaders feel about 9mm and if it's categorized as high pressure.

22 cal air rifle vs 22lr

OH_Spartan — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:14:51 GMT

This ammo craziness has gotten me thinking about a 22 cal air rifle for small game, plinking and varmint control.

How do the ballistics of high-quality 22-cal pellets at 1200 fps compare to 22lr-sv?

I did a search on this a couple days ago and didn't find what I was looking for. If there is already a thread on this I will happily entertain the link.

45 Colt target load for Henry lever action

bds — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:09:30 GMT

I have been looking for a Henry rifle for a friend for some time and today found a "Big Boy" chambered for 45 Colt (I also finally found a Ruger 10/22 Takedown for me so it was a very good day).

I checked the 45 Colt pet loads thread but looking for lighter recoiling plinking/target load.

I have the following powders on hand and welcome suggestions.

- Bullseye
- Clays
- Promo
- Titegroup
- N320
- WST
- W231/HP-38
- Unique
- Universal
- PowerPistol
- WSF
- AutoComp

Thanks.

Different 7.62 russian ammo

tomg303 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:55:48 GMT

Today at an auction I bought some 30rdns of 7.62 Russian ammo. They are kind of unique because they are "precision reloaded" milsurp rounds with sp 174gr bullets. They are done by the Finnish for interarmco and have date stamps from 1939 to 1943. They also have a price sticker that says $4.69. Non-corrosive berdan primed. Are they collectors items or should I shoot them up? Cool stuff.

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38 vs 38+p brass

OH_Spartan — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:51:01 GMT

Is there a difference between 38 spl and 38+p brass? I'm just asking about the brass. They seem to be the same length, is there another difference? Wall thickness? Pressure rating? Etc?

Miami Prosecutors decline to prosecute teen who shot fleeing thief

Sebastian the Ibis — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:30:08 GMT

The Miami Herald had a nice write up on this incident today. It provides a pretty good description of when and why you can shoot and not shoot in Florida. Here the prosecutors ultimately decided to not go forward, but it was close.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/1...for-miami.html

Snubnose War

Barry the Bear — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:58:51 GMT

I ( being an idiot) traded my talo edition sp101 snub nose. So Im officially in the market for a ccw revolver. I have two choices a colt agent fairly used for 500 or smith and wesson model 64 2 inch barrel for 400. the 64 has only been fired 25 times since the 80s. dont have a pic of it but ive inspected it already,have not seen the agent.So help me choose , colt namesake though decently used, or smith smoothness almost new?

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Saboteur operating on armslist?

SunnySlopes — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:55:20 GMT

http://www.armslist.com/posts/...efully---read-this--

Quote:

I purchased a .45 ACP pistol today from a nice gentleman in a grey Mini Cooper S. He seemed nice enough and in the course of the small talk I failed to inspect this pistol as thoroughly as I would normally. I felt he was knowedgable enough to be believed on function and seemed sane at the time. I purchased the pistol and left.

The pistol is fantastic. What was not was the .45 caliber bullet lodged halfway down the barrel. Not sure if he was an idiot or a homicidal lunatic. If I had not purchased that gun, some one else may have taken it straight to the range and loaded up a magazine and proceeded to blow the gun and themselves up.
We have all popped a squib load that lodged halfway...but to leave one in and SELL THE GUN is criminally negligent at best, psychotic at worst.

But it gets better.

When I got the bullet out...it was never fired. Brand new bullet hadn't seen powder, case or primer. He just took a Speer jacketed hollow point and jammed it up the bore.

I believe he fully intended to blow this gun up. And the new owner with it.
Interpret as you will. But please tell your gun friends...

Check your gun purchases carefully before firing.

Keep emails and phone numbers of sellers to assist authorities of these 'booby trapped' guns.

Always get ID and bill of sale.

I got the emails and license plate number for OSP and BATF so they will hopefully check on this potential psycho anti-gun terrorist.
Be careful dealing with strangers!!

Threshold of hearing loss

monotonous_iterancy — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:39:49 GMT

Sometimes, even if I want to shoot, I won't if I've been exposed to a lot of loud noise that day. Not a damaging level, I'm just wary of crossing that line and incurring permanent damage.

For instance, 85 db is safe for 8 hours, 120 or 130 (or is it 140?) causes permanent hearing damage.

How long of a break is needed in between exposures?

Gun Design Run Amok

bushmaster1313 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:32:03 GMT

Is Kel-Tec what you get when you have gun design without adult supervision?

Christmas Rifle gone bad

Elm Creek Smith — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:28:42 GMT

Some of you may remember a few years ago when I got my Christmas Rifle. Except for the magazine, this wouldn't upset Senator Dianne Feinkenstein.

Well, since there has been all this noise about evil black rifles, I decided to spend my gunshow money on Sunday to "make a statement."

Waiting for Senator Feinkenstein's head to explode.

ECS

30 caliber coyote rifle

Bowhunter57 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:07:33 GMT

I want to purchase a 30 caliber rifle for coyote hunting. Accuracy and speed are the main criteria that I want in a rifle...in that order. Accuracy out to 400 yards and speed for light weight bullets with good fragmentation. Brand-wise, I prefer Savage rifles...however, I may have to choose another brand due to available calibers.

A few caliber thoughts are .308, 300 Weatherby, 300 H&H, .30-06 and 300 WSM.
Bullet availability is good in 30 caliber, which is another reason for this caliber choice.

If you have another caliber with good bullet availability and selection, please suggest your caliber. :cool:

Thank you, Bowhunter57

Gun Rights - Call for Action - Simple Direct meaningful action to preserve our rights

1stmarine — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:57:32 GMT

This thread is to help with simple yet direct meaningful action to preserve our rights no matter if they are local, state or federal initiatives.

Lets start with this one...

Bloomberg is at it again. This vicious multimillionaire mayor of NY has put a BUS on the road to go from town to town to convince Americans that we need to get rid of guns and the basic rights associated with them.
This person is out of control so please take a minute to read this blog and follow the advice.

The WAR on guns, Notes from the resistance...

Today's 5 Minutes Activism

http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2013/0...-activism.html

A few words on this thread

Dear friends,
As you know since to the tragic events in NewTown, CT, Webster, NY and other shootings we have been attacked from all angles from the anti gun politicians, their lobby and the white house.
These unspeakable atrocities committed by mentally unstable and criminal savages gave the anti-gun groups a huge opportunity to sell to the Nation that the guns are the problem and even us, responsible firearm owners are part of the problem too. Somehow pretrain us as evil people, like if we didn't care about violence, public safety and the safety or our schools and children something that obviously that could not be any further from the truth.
We just have a different approach (a realistic one) on how to resolve the violence problems.

In NYS our most fundamental rights have been violated with a set of illegal statutes that were rushed in the middle of the night right after the new year and that have been put in place. 99% of the counties have voted against the so called SAFE act and the Sheriffs associations, NYSRPA, SCOPE, Tresmond LAw and other organizations, companies and individuals have now started legal proceedings and filed lawsuits against NY State for violations of the 2nd, 4th amendments as well as other fundamental constitutional and civil rights.

I have created a thread for NY State where a group of people in collaboration with this and other forums we are very active in the fight to preserve our rights.

The thread I created was intended for NYS fight at the time but in the end we have been also connecting with people in other states and forums and helping them with their own state fights as well as the fight at the federal level. So after discussing with some colleagues and if the admins think this is the appropriate place I though creating a thread where we can all go to
provide support to any initiative whether is a the state, local or federal level.

The idea is to provide links here to quick yet direct and meningful actions that are going to make a difference. We had those calls in other threads and forums and as a result we were able to help influence agendas and decisions in some of the latest fights. The other day I was very happy to find out that the many calls and notes to Nevada state concluded that the governor vetoed the propose package.

So please share your thoughts and please bring any articles, links or any information that you find where a call for action is needed and share it here.
Sometimes a few minutes spent on this goes long ways towards winning these fights.

One thing is clear, we will never quit. They will struggle but we will persevere and come on top.

reloading 9mm brass and bullets

matthew40s&w — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:54:34 GMT

Newbie question.... been reloading .40 s&w for 2 weeks now and have had no problems. Once fired brass, lead cast boolits. Now my brother has started reloading 9mm and is using once fired brass and we have been attempting to use fmj new bullets. The problem is that the brass seems to be to big after resizing or bullets too small. Checked and changed how much bell we are putting on the case ... didn't work. Being new to this I really could use any helpful advice. Thanks

Replica M2

WALKERs210 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:23:09 GMT

Few weeks back I ran across a website where the owner builds all types of just about anything. In his list of plans included the Ma Deuce 50cal, broke down and spend the $9.99 for plans that are downloaded in PDF and DXF format. Have spent most of the day sending drawing into my plotter and trying to decide which material to build it from. I am an avid modeler, and this will help keep me off the streets at night, and if it turns out decent next one on list is either the 1911 MG or a Lewis. Pic shows the M2 with a 6mm Airsoft system inside it. Mine will not have the ability to fire but who know.

link to the builders page http://www.replicaplans.com/BrowningM2.html

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?Bumper Sticker? Where to find?

wrs840 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:35:51 GMT

Anyone know where I can find bumperstickers of the Robert E. Lee headquarters flag without me having to buy a $200 minimum-order worth (400 copies, and I don't think I have that many friends to give them to).

http://www.ruffinflagcompany.net/Pro...oductID=233152

Red and White bars with Stars representing the Arc of the Covenant in the field of blue pretty much says it all for me.

Difference between Savage 10 and 11

viking499 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:33:38 GMT

LGS has two used savages on the rack. Same 243 caliber. Stock are almost identical except for the front being rounded on one and flat on the other. Same barrel length. Actions are the same length. Internal mags on both. Both accutriggers and 3 position safety. 10 had a rubber butt pad and the 11's was plastic. Pretty much identical.

So, what is the difference between the 10 and 11's? I thought it was action length, but they were the same.

Simply Rugged ???

CPLofMARINES — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:28:44 GMT

Does anyone have any first hand experience with Simply
Rugged holsters and belts. I hear they are American made
And very reputable. Also, how do they compare to Galco,
Namely the Combat Master and Concealed Carry. From
What I can gather they are about $30 to $40 less than the
Galco leather. Thank you for any help, I would be looking
For some leather for my Security-Six. (My Father-in-Laws)
Rest his soul. I lost one of my best friends.

SEMPER FI

Mossberg 185 K-B bolt? (long shot)

sixshooter — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:17:43 GMT

I have an old 185 K-B that's missing the bolt and clip. I've tried havlinsales.com and gunpartscorp.com (Numrich) and the closest I've gotten is a stripped bolt from Numrich (they have mags listed too).

I was told by a local gun shop that my best bet was to ask around online, so here I am. Does anyone have any leads on an old / beat up / worn out Mossberg 185 K-B? Or just a bolt or mag laying around? Like the title says, I know this is a long shot...

Steel shot

dwo357 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:43:14 GMT

Well the time has finally come. I live in the state of Washington and have been wing shooting with lead all my life and we now have the toxic shot ban pretty much state wide. I have a 20 year old Ithica 37 3" mag , 28" modified choke and a 12 year old Rem 870 Wingmaster 30" full choke and I reload for both. What do I need to reload steel for these guns and do I need to get a modified for my Rem. And any suggested loads would be welcome. Thanks.

ruger Blackhawk bp loads

longshot7.62x51 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:08:34 GMT

I just traded a rock island1911 for a Blackhawk in .357 and would like to know if there is a black powder load any one would be willing to share

M&P 22 for training pistol, how is the trigger?

breakingcontact — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:48:39 GMT

I'm considering buying a M&P 22 pistol. How does the trigger compare to the trigger in the full size 9/40 pistols?

Also, have you noticed your centerfire skills improving after shooting a 22 pistol for training?

You can't polish MIM parts

Bubba613 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:47:06 GMT

Another myth dies. Here are pics of the Smith PC637 Gunsmoke.

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vanguard s2 vs. model 70

Ian Johnson — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:44:51 GMT

Ok I cant decide between getting a featherweight m70 in 308 or a vanguard s2 deluxe in 308, any input? Mabey another rifle in the same range I should take a look at?

Thanks
Ian

Eley Match Remington branded

MCgunner — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:06:52 GMT

Of course, I've had problems finding ANY .22 ammo lately. I still need some Federal bulk for plinking, but I like quality ammo for hunting and will pay for it.

Not sure what's up with Remington importing Eley Match ammo, but the hardware store in a local small town has had some on the shelves for a bit. It ain't selling too fast at 19.95 a box, but I know it's good stuff. I've had the 10/22 sighted in for RWS R50 since I mounted a scope on it. Need the scope, my eyes are getting real sucky. Anyway, I picked up one box of 50 of that Eley today and came home to try it. Now, the RWS has about 2" of drop at 50 sighted in for 25. This is nothing odd. It shot 1" groups at 50 yards from the bench. The Eley shoots to POA at 25 AND 50, cool! And, to top that off, under 1/2" at 25, under 1" at 50 for five shots. At 25 all holes were touching.

Bare in mind this is a 10/22, bone stock except for a Hogue stock which eliminates the barrel band. Normally, with CCI, it shoots about 1.5" at 50. I have a more accurate old Remington bolt gun, but this is PLENTY good 'nuf for squirrel hunting, what I intend it for. It's my woods bumming rifle. I don't mind paying for quality ammo with THIS sort of performance. I won't plink tin cans with it, but for hunting, pretty awesome stuff.

A visit to Cabelas

dickttx — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:05:38 GMT

After passing the Cabelas in north Fort Worth for about a year and a half without stopping, I pulled in today to kill a little time.
The powder is behind the gun counter now, and if what they had showing is all they have, there is not much available. There was a sign where it used to be, directing you to the gun counter.
Saw no mention or indication of primers.
They did have a fair representation of bullets and brass, but by no means a complete selection.
Surprisingly, they had several presses available. Just offhand I remember a couple of Lyman Crusher II,s, several RCBS models, a Lee Classic Turret kit, and several other Lee models. A couple of round ball molds, but nothing else. Also both Lee and Lyman bottom pour lead pots.
Quite a few handguns but still some empty spaces. There were two 5" Government Model Colts at $999.
In 45 minutes of looking, I couldn't find anything I needed, or wanted, though.:cool:

Colt Metropolitan Ammo Question

KYamateur — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:02:44 GMT

I can't seem to find very much info on the Colt Metropolitan. It is a 38 special with a heavy barrel. Does anyone know if it is safe to fire 38 +P in the gun? I'm thinking of buying it but would prefer it to shoot +p ammo.

Future weapons in the hands of civilians.

breakingcontact — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:59:36 GMT

What's the standard? What's the precedent?

The semi-auto pistol is 100 years old now (history guys, please, I'm doing a ball park figure), as modern weapons evolve, what allows/disallows them to be commonly held by civilians?

The military is working on sonic weapons and dazzling/debilitating lasers and on and on, what classifies these weapons one way or the other?

In the year 2050 when we can set our phasers to stun or kill, will the police be armed with the modern weapons and we'll still be hauling around 1911's?

This isn't a silly premise. In many countries where civilians can own handguns for instance, they can only own black powder, so they essentially are armed with antique weapons while the police and military are issued the modern weapons. My question here is what is the historical and legal precedent in our country and what is the naturally logical conclusion of what we'll be "allowed" to own in the future?

XDs Magazine base plates. . . same for 45acp and 9mm?

Orion8472 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:23:23 GMT

Just wondering if the magazine base plate for the XDs 45acp and 9mm are the same or not. Thinking of getting a Pearce pinky finger extention, but they only list it "for 45acp".

Direct replacement screw on Limbsaver recoil pad for NEF/H&R single shot shotguns?

Nakanokalronin — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:09:23 GMT

I have a H&R 12ga. Single shot shotgun and want to find a Limbsaver recoil pad that will directly screw into the wood stock. Searching the internet, I've found two suggestions that may or may not work.

First is Limbsaver # 10003. Someone said this one would work if your shotgun came with a recoil pad from the factory. If it didn't you'd have to cut 1" off the stock for it to work. I don't recall any single shots coming with a recoil pad from the factory, but I could be wrong.

The second is Limbsaver # 10702. This seem to be for a Beretta shotgun and was said to fit right on the end of the wood stock.

I really don't want to get a slip-on since I don't like the way they look, so I'm hoping some Limbsaver out there mates up to the stock as well as the screw holes. Considering these things are cheap and everywhere, I'm surprised Limbsavers hasn't made a direct replacement for them yet. Any and all suggestions are welcome. I've cut the barrel to 18.5", put on a new bead, refinished the stock and forend so I'm hoping to put on a Limbsaver pad as the final touch.

Anyone ever heard of a maker called Sporting Arms?

Armymutt — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:06:15 GMT

Saw a rifle in a LGS that was labeled a Sporting Arms K98. I took a look at it. It's based on a Mauser. Came in what felt like a really cheap synthetic stock. Given the $249 price tag, I wouldn't expect much from it. I've never heard of the company and Google isn't finding anything either.

What is so magical about SRP 7.62x39 brass?

Twmaster — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:59:20 GMT

Here lately I've seen some discussion about hand loading the 7.62x39 Russian case and mention of using a particular load and small rifle primers.

Some of the comments I saw seemed to be adamant that you use these small primer cases. FWIW I did not know there were small primer 7.62 cases. (turns out I have nearly 500 Rem SP cases in my stash) :D

I've been reloading for a a few years and am just not seeing what the big difference is other than primer size. (of course no mention of Magnum vs. standard primers was made).

So I'm scratching my head here. What's the deal?

Thanks.

Has SCOTUS indicated that they want to grant cert on Moore v. Madigan?

usmarine0352_2005 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:49:03 GMT

.

Lisa Madigan requested and just got her extension for the appeal to SCOTUS. Some have said that SCOTUS denied the NY case because they wanted to rule on a different case. And this could be the one.

Is the fact that SCOTUS granted the extension an indication that they want Madigan to appeal the case to them so they can rule on it?
.

Help needed.

Mcswack — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:48:43 GMT

Received a call from a young lady who is an executor of an estate where the deceased had a legal (with tax stamp) silencer. Can anyone assist on the procedure to sell/transfer this device legally? Who has to maintain possession and how is the transfer process started? Said lady has not a clue on this procedure, nor do I, so any knowledge on this subject will be greatly appreciated. McSwack

Ammoload brass?

32_d3gr33s — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:34:11 GMT

I mostly do my reloading for 9mm. I picked up 1500 rounds of mixed 9mm for dirt cheap during the shortage, figuring i could shoot it, then i would have the brass to reload. Over 1/2 of them are "ammoload" brass, which is factory reloads by freedom munitions. Ive only shot a few of the rounds so far, and they shoot great. I havent reloaded any yet. Brass looks good, but i noticed that the case wall gets thicker near the bottom. Just wondered if anyone had experience with this brass?

Excellent Product

FrankB1948 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:22:37 GMT

I received my first order from Missouri bullets. 1000 180 grain 40 cal TCFP and 500 255 grain 45 cal Keith type SWCs. Appearance, finish, packaging and lube is superb. Loading them now.

Spring set?

ZVP — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:07:53 GMT

I bought a used Mossberg/ Wards Model M550AD and built a HD 12 ga from it.
I am having a problem loading 6 shells, it drops 3 throughout the cock/load cycle intermittently! Load just 3 and it functions like a champ!
I'm thinking the magazine spring got a "set" from all the years operating with a plug installed?
Like I said load 3 and no malfunctions, even when you re-stoke 2 shells during firing. Try to re-stoke more than 2 and it starts dropping shells out the bottom.
For now I an OK with the 3 and reloading but I want to get the function of a full 6 shot magazine back! I get 4 in the gun if I put one in the chamber and load 3, that works OK.
Any thoughts?
BP Dave

Thank goodness!

ZVP — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:56:34 GMT

I just checked prices on BP components and found that they are probablly the ONLY sane priced stuff on the market! Still hovering around the first of the year rates!
I guess the basic hassles of loading and cleaning BP Revolvers has kept them to the "Not Interested" column for most shooters and franklly, the relative problems with misfires and caps falling off have kept them out of the self defense category though they are formidable guns when they work...
I am so glad of this because there's nothing I enjoy more than a relaxing afternoon at the Club leisurely loading and shooting my revolvers!
Gone is the pressure of semi auto jams and gone is the urge to spray ammo at the target, you just cock and shoot, cock and shoot, low tension low pressure shooting. The Smoke and Fire are side benefits as is the solid muzzle report and soft recoil!
Let's hope they leave us BP shooters alone!

BPDave

PS
Do you guys shoot Balls or Conicals?
I shoot Balls.

Remember the kid that got suspended for the NRA shirt? He's now facing Charges

dc dalton — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:43:36 GMT

The West Virginia eighth-grader who was suspended and arrested in late April after he refused to remove a t-shirt supporting the National Rifle Association appeared in court this week and was formally charged with obstructing an officer.

14-year-old Jared Marcum now faces a $500 fine and a maximum of one year in prison.

Here are all the phone numbers for the interested parties, please call them and voice your displeasure over what's happening to this young man.

Logan Police Department (West Virginia)Chief of Police, David White (304) 752-6535

Logan County School District Superintendent of Schools, Wilma Zigmond (304) 792-2060

Prosecuting Attorney Sabrina Deskins Amick (304) 792-8670

http://news.yahoo.com/14-old-kid-arr...071819724.html

What to buy now?

ZVP — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:39:11 GMT

It all started off with the mention of a Single Six I'd been looking at and Mom told me to get it and consider it my Father's Day present!
Cool eh? Ah, she's a Keeper allright!
Well the dilemmia is that I already have one and I don't know if I wouldn't like the new Ruger SR 22 Pistol better OR maybe even another Centerfire since ammo costs just about the same!
Yea current prices in my area are $20 for a 100 ct CCI box of rimfires over the counter. and the cheaper .38 specials go for .22 a box of 50 but you are talking a self defense caliber gun as opposed to a plinker.
Used guns are pretty available in my area and since the origonal SS that started this was used , I am obviouslly not opposed to buying used!
ell I guess I'll have to look over everything though I doubt I'll find another $300 Nickled Chief's Special like I did about 6 mo ago! Deals like that are rare.
It's too bad that the ammo prices have gotten so crazy because I really like the .22 rimfire but why pay so much for so little power and preformance? It sickens me that I'll never feel OK just spraying a magazine out of my Nylon 66 again...
BPDave

Apples to apples?

Godsgunman — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:37:04 GMT

I am in the market for a smaller 9mm carry option and it seems like it has basically come down to 2 options due to size and cost. The 2 options are the keltec p11 or the sccy cpx-2. Now given the history of both companies am I truly comparing apples to apples or is there a clear winner? I've read almost every review out there and it kind of seems that the sccy is coming out ahead. I know most will respond saying "pick which fits you the best" but I am interested in hearing from anyone who has experience with both and see which one comes out on top in your opinion.

We Need a Protest against Bloomberg's Anti-Gun Tour

Midwest — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:24:17 GMT

We need a Protest against Bloomberg's Anti-Gun Tour!

http://www.demandaction.org/detail/2...rs-against-ill

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this. Mayor Bloomberg of New York City and of Mayors Against Illegal Guns is going on a tour and will speak at 10 state events . This will be part of an overall 25 state drive where they will have rallies with supporters including politicians for gun control.

There not done yet trying to drum up support for another gun control initiative and using Newtown/Sandy Hook as a vehicle to push forth their gun control agendas.

"In addition to the memorial service in Newtown, Mayors Against Illegal Guns also held 10 statewide events to mark the six-month anniversary of the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School and remember its victims. These states include: Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, and Pennsylvania."

The question is what is the best way to counteract these events? We could make up signs and protest and perhaps hand out flyers and maybe educate. But we must show up and be heard.

Nothing fancy... my AK

Miami_JBT — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:41:49 GMT

Nothing fancy... a early ban era WASR-10 that I made not suck.

Tapco AK-74 style muzzle break
Tapco single hook G2 trigger group
Ergo pistol grip
Hogue Overmold handguard
Midwest Industries 30mm Red Dot mount w/ Aimpoint Clone
CAA metal one piece "buffer tube" with a M4 stock
Condor Tactical 2 point sling
Old Streamlight M3 w/ pressure tape
Magpul Moe stubby VFG

Would you load em?

BunnMan — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:09:17 GMT

It's been awhile since I took the Kalashnikov out but my daughter wanted to shoot it on our Father's Day range trip so I took it along. It's a Vepr2 in .223. I had maybe 100 rds. of 55gr loads including around 60 I built using a near max charge of Varget. The work up was shot through my AR and she tends to like em HOT, that's why they were loaded near max. The AR dimples the cases on the way out but not terribly. The Kalashnikov is HARD on brass though, especially the hotter stuff it seems. Kinda funny, you can tell the design is simply to sling out the old and clear the way for the new...very functional rifle. I'm not sure I should load these again after being kinked so sharp and deep...what do you think? If the answer is no, the Russian girl is gonna stay in the safe until bulk stuff gets ALOT cheaper!!! lol. I aint wasting my precious brass on her if she's gonna treat it this way!

Thanks,

-BunnMan

Colorado Magazine ban protest

Trent — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:03:53 GMT

Note; I'm not in Colorado, never have BEEN to Colorado, but know many of you are. I saw this pop up on my news feed today and thought I'd share:

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/breaki...capitol-steps/

Quote:

At least two formal events have popped up on Facebook that are encouraging Colorado gun owners to engage in civil disobedience and break the recent law that prohibits the sale or transfer of gun magazines capable of holding more than 15 rounds.

The events encourage participants from Colorado and other surrounding states to buy, sell and swap magazines that can hold more than 15 rounds in disobedience of the law.

The first event is scheduled for July 1st and is actually supposed to be on the Colorado Capitol building�s steps in Denver.

Apparently the event is being organized on facebook, at this link:

https://www.facebook.com/events/3137..._mall_activity

QuickLOAD on a Mac?

higgite — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:48:39 GMT

I posted this on another reloading website, but I want to post here, too, to possibly reach more Quickload users with Mac computers.

Do any of you folks run Quickload on a Mac computer? If so, which "crossover" type program do you run, which Windows version do you run, and does it all work for you with no major hassles? Thanks for your input.

Our Civil War??

fdashes — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:41:33 GMT

Just finished watching an old Audie Murphy movie. He and his military command had 1873 Trapdoors (as did most Indians). His sidearm was a Colt SAA. Not a bad set up for those times,right? Well...at the end of the movie it was announced that the Civil War had just broken out and the Southern Army was requesting volunteers. If they got any volunteers I would say they also got some awesome firepower for 1863. :banghead::banghead: :uhoh: :eek: :rolleyes: ;)

EAA Biakal mp153 mag extension tube

agalindo — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:35:38 GMT

I had read on other forums that the Remington 870 mag extension tube would work so I purchased a Choate tube for an 870 and the threads are different. I then saw a youtube vid in Danish where this guy says he used a Berretta Extrama 2 tube. Does anybody know if this works?
Choate suggested I try screwing on a Benelli or Berreta end cap to see if the threads mached. The thing is I don't one nor do I know anybody that owns a Berretta or a Benelli. Has anybody tried these tubes. Does anybody own a mp153 and is able to try a Berretta and or Benelli end cap?

Some say the Tec-Star remington tubes work and the ATI but I've not tried them yet.

Santa Fe NM City Council Considers Magazine Capacity Limit - Preemption Violation?

dc dalton — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:33:42 GMT

Quote:

The Santa Fe City Council is currently considering an ordinance that would ban the future possession, sale or transfer of any ammunition feeding device that accepts, or can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds.

http://www.examiner.com/article/sant...city-different

Now according to Wiki New Mexico has preemption: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law...ate_preemption

The question would be is how the heck the city thinks they are going to get around this, or are they going to try and say preemption only covers firearms and not magazines.

New .45cal, what bullets?

bigalexe — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:32:19 GMT

I just came into possession of Winchester X-150 still in the box. It's an inline muzzle-loader of the .45 Caliber flavor with a 1:28 twist rate. The intended usage is Michigan white-tail deer at 0-100 yards but if I can make it stretch to 150 or 200 yards I'd be all the happier.

I've never owned a muzzle-loader before myself. I have shot others though and understand the basics. I'm trying to amass the supplies to start sighting it in because if I start now maybe I can get everything and shoot it by the end of August. I have this rule about deer season that whatever I'm going to use has to be zeroed on or before Sept. 1 so I have time to practice if I need to.hit

So anyway I'm looking at 2 options of bullets:

1.) 195 grain Barnes Expander 40 cal bullet in a 45 sabot that's a solid copper hp

2.) 200 grain Hornady 45 Caliber Sabot with 40 Caliber bullet with a "SST" Tip

I'm looking at probably a 100gr powder load because I know I can hit that consistently using Pyrodex. I want to use the pellets because I've seen the alternative method of measuring and loading powder and decided I should start a little easier.

What bullets are likely to be more accurate and kill deer more efficiently?

Large ring/small ring Mauser

Catpop — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:19:31 GMT

What is the best way to distinguish a large ring Mauser from a small ring Mauser receiver (no barrel)? I'm sure this has been ask umpteen times before so please bear with me (and point me to the old thread, if available)

25/35 pointed bullets

carroll4948 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:10:05 GMT

i would like to shoot ballistic tip bullets in my 94 win . if i use military primers it should work right? the only thing i am not sure of is that they are magnum primers wouldnt i need to reduce the powder charge any help would be welcomed thanks carroll

Stainless Floor Plates for Extended 1911 Mags?

460Kodiak — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:01:28 GMT

Does anyone know of a company or individual who makes extended stainless steel floor plates for 1911 magazines? I want to put some on my Wilson Combat ETM mags to spruce up my 1911.

I am specifically looking for the ones in the picture below or something similar. This picture came off of Brown's Custom Grips website. I emailed Mr. Brown and asked about them, but he told me this is a picture of one of his customer's guns and could not remember that individual's name. I'm hoping the owner will chime in and share.

Dawson Precision makes some alluminum floor plates, but they aren't quite what I'm looking for.

Brown's Grips are great stuff by the way. I own two sets, and will be buying again in the future.

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Shooting out a boresnake brush?

lykoris — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:01:18 GMT

I would like those with the knowledge of shooting blanks of whether this is feasible in terms of building pressure to dislodge a .30 cal boresnake brush which is confirmed to be halfway down the barrel of a .22 cal semi-auto.

I was thinking of starting with a primer and then gradually building up the grains, I want to know if pressure can be built to shoot it out?? :confused:

Regent R200SS trying some groups

guncheese — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:43:08 GMT

out to the range this morning
and after cleaning up everybody elses mess
got down to trying some 5 shot groups at 25 yds deliberate fire(less than 10 seconds for 5 rounds)
all of these are shot off the top of my squishy washy range bag
yes i know some of them dont have 5 holes :uhoh:
onto 8 1/2 x 11 paper with my lovely magic marker targets ( i see these so much better even though they are small)
the even # sheets are 200grn LSWC the odds are 230grn LRN 4.8 to 5.0 gr BE, was shooting up some odds and ends

the last is 13 left over rounds of several types off hand at the same 25 yds very deliberate fire

this gun is way better than i am
at least these crappy groups are at 25yds not 25ft !

A 1960 vintage Marlin 336 lever action

duelist1954 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:24:12 GMT

I think the Marlin 336 lever action is the best close cover deer rifle ever invented. This one was my father's personal rifle, which he bought in 1960, and I used it to shoot my first deer. In this video I'll demonstrate that the old iron still has what it takes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wks4dTkL4u4

Most visible color at 200yds?

nobby — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:26:53 GMT

I'm organizing a 200 yd rifle match. Looking downrange, shooters will be facing East, so at 9am the sun will be shining more on them than on the target. The target will be a 15" steel plate and iron sights will be used.

My question: what color flourescent spray paint would be most visible in this situation? From what I've read, yellow is actually hard on the eyes and I don't want to contribute to eye fatigue. Therefore green, red, orange and white seem to be the remaining choices.

Which color would be best given the lighting conditions and distance?

Rem Core Lokts

txcookie — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:10:32 GMT

Me and my dad were chatting it up a bit the otherday (I was learning from him) and I brought up premium bullets. He reloads and has for yrs so I was surprised to find that he prefered the Rem Core Lokt to just about anything. He said they were not the most accurate or hottest but that they were very accurate and devistating on every deer/ hog he ever encountered.

They have been for me as well so I ask you. How do you feel about them? For deer and Hogs they are hands down my Fav in all my rifles. Cept for a 250 Sav that needs its ammo rolled!!!

Stupid mistakes

Sentryau2 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:02:37 GMT

Ok when I first got my ar-15 I took everything apart to lube it up and look at it try and get familiar with it. Well while I was doing that I got complacent. I was done so I assembled what I thought was everything........I go to do a function check and pull back the CH quickly......SURPRISE no buffer spring :banghead: at this point I felt like a total fool but finally managed to correct my mistake with a towl and some banging on a table (I called a friend who suggested this as he had made the same mistake when he was young) So I have a question how many of you have made stupid but relatively harmless mistakes, or things that you have kicked yourself for? I STILL kick myself for forgetting the buffer spring

Savage barrel swap question?

mastiffhound — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:22:43 GMT

I will be doing a barrel swap on an old Savage 110. It's currently a .30-06 with a thinner barrel than my 1950's Stevens Buckhorn .22LR. It gets 3 round groups around 2 to 3 inches. 5 shots are even worse. I have 3 bad discs so I'm more sensitive to recoil than I was in my younger days. My .30-06, .300 Win Mag and 3 1/2 inch magnum shotshell days are long behind me. I got a heavier stock and I've now got a heavy varmint contour barrel in .308 Win. Dad's heavy barreled .308 varmint/tactical stocked Savage isn't bad to shoot at all so I'm going that route also.

My question is: Do I need to heat the barrel nut to remove it on my older pre accutrigger Savage? I don't want to weaken the metal. I do have the action and barrel nut wrench. I've also got a good vice for clamping it all down. This Savage was made in the 70's, so that action, barrel, and nut have spent enough time together to build up a good amount of rust and/or crud. Being an ex-mechanic I've learned the joy of heating up things to make them easier to remove, I just want to make sure I won't hurt anything. As usual thank you for all the help!

What lights fit HK's proprietary rail?

Girodin — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 05:26:52 GMT

I know that various rail adapters can be had, such as the surefire and GG&G adapters. That said what lights are available that attach to the HK style rail?

Nate Squared (N82)

Archaic — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 04:07:02 GMT

Does anybody have any experience with their holsters, I'm looking at their professional series.

Bloomberg bodyguard jailed for 7 years for attempted murder.

danez71 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 03:48:25 GMT

I'm not even sure where to start with this one. Lots of stupid involved.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/c...lgjMaNW0qyeIjO

Quote:

Convicted shooter Leopold McLean, 49, also got a verbal spanking from the judge for the boneheaded, career-ending attack.

�I don�t know what caused this situation to happen � it could have been fear, frustration, arrogance or stupidity � but as a citizen you forgot your common sense,� Queens Supreme Court Justice James Griffin told the 19-year cop as the judge sentenced him for attempted murder and two counts of reckless endangerment.

Quote:

.....two months shy of earning his 20-year pension

Car knife suggestion

EMT40SW — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 03:27:24 GMT

I'm looking for a strictly defensive knife to mount in my car as a last ditch life saver. I want it less than $75. I also want to perminantly mount the sheath with screws to the car. I also dont want the knife to fly out in an accident or hard stop but I have to balance this with easy access. I would love ideas on how to mount this, what knife, or a sheath maker that could make me a kydex or leather sheath for this purpose. Thank you in advance.:)

.45s and suppressors

FuzzyBunny — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 02:46:03 GMT

I want to get one for my gov model colt.
Other than a threaded barrel is there any other work that needs to be done like spring changes or anything.

I really want one that is lower on the top so I can use the sights and larger on the bottom. I saw a very high dollar pistol set up this way from the factory I do not recall the gun company but it was not a u.s. one. Craftmanship was fantastic in the fitting on the pistol but the only thing I did not like was the gold tone finish. It resembled a large desert eagle but was not.

Creating a NFA "Short Barreled Rifle" from a Commercially Avalable "Mare's Leg"?

Kynoch — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 02:43:41 GMT

Let's say someone went out and bought a "mare's leg" that was legally manufactured and sold as a handgun such as the one from Rossi below:

The buyer brings the mare's leg home and exchanges the stock grip with one that he handmade which is identical to the stock grip except for its longer length. No other changes are made to the firearm.

Because the NFA does not (to my knowledge) specify a maximum overall handgun length nor does it prohibit exchanging parts, I contend that exchanging one grip for another does not make the handgun an NFA "short barreled rifle."

Can anyone here add some insight to this matter? Thanks.

Missed it by THAT much, Chief...

NormB — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:53:49 GMT

Got a long-awaited email from midwayUSA this AM that small pistol magnum primers (Remington) were in stock, just minutes before I needed to leave for work. Oh, hell, I thought, I'd place the order, but I don't recall how many I have on hand.

And I hesitate.

I ran downstairs, opened my primer storage can (a German-made rocket case with six latches), took a quick look, looked at my reloading bench, and I swear, within 60 seconds of getting the email, I sat down at my computer, clicked "order" and got the message "sold out."

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!

Back on the waiting list. I only have about 800 primers left right now.

Oh, well, maybe next year...

147gr 9-mm

Thompson9494 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:50:47 GMT

The issues regarding 147-grain, 9-mm Luger bullets has been something I've been scratching my head over for a while. I've read through a ton of articles both validating and failing the 147-grain bullets. I wanted a few more opinions on it, so here's my question, is the 147-grain bullet any better or worse for self-defense than a 115 or 124-grain bullet and are they 'bad for your pistol' as I've heard some people say?

Thanks!

Wide trigger for Hi Power other than C&S?

Orion8472 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:41:45 GMT

I'm wondering if there is another wide trigger for the Hi power that isn't the Cylinder & Slide? I really like the Hi Power, but find the trigger too thin. A wider trigger would be my preference, but I have heard both good and bad about the Cylinder & Slide trigger.

Options?

Ruger 10/22, 10/17, 77/17

rhocutt — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:37:18 GMT

My brother offered me a barrel which is marked for .17 HMR. It has no other markings on it. He said it bolts up perfectly to his 10/22 receiver. Numerich gun parts has a drawing of the Ruger M77 varmint which looks to have the same barrel mounting as the Ruger 10/22. I would rather have a bolt action so I'm wondering if anyone knows for certain if Ruger uses the same barrel / receiver interface design for the 10/22 and 77/17 varmint.

Thanks in advance

GAP's 6 Creedmoor rocks

taliv — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:16:54 GMT

this may be the best shooting rifle I've ever had. George Gardner at GAP rebarreled my 6SLR disaster to a 6Creedmoor. wow! I'm amazed at how well it shoots.

I used it in the PTS match (58 teams) the weekend before. i got my 6CM dies Tuesday, 4 days before the match, and i had to work all week, so I only had time to load 10 rounds or so, go out and zero the gun, shoot a couple at long range to get some idea of the velocity, then calculate everything else. I didn't get to practice at all since they were setting up for the match. I didn't work up a load, just went with the powder weight they suggested, and only tried one seating depth.

But the gun was shooting so well, after the match, I got to wondering if I could make just one shot...a really challenging one... just one shot that counted for everything, if I could do it. So jun 7, after work, I set up the target and walked out and took my time reading the wind and then took one shot from 571 yards at a paint can i placed over the shoulder of a hostage, for added stress. Feeling froggy, I went ahead and took another shot at a slightly less than 4" circle from 649 yards.

shooting the paint can was particularly cool because it didn't fall over since the hit was pretty centered up. it just spun 90* and white paint (since it was still partially pressurized) shot 3-4' out the bullet holes left/right. So through the scope, it was quite a visual, watching the bullet trace into the target and it spraying like you'd opened a white fire hydrant. (I spun it back 90* for the pic)

this past weekend, my friends and went out for an afternoon. I took a few more shots and seem to be able to pretty consistently connect with rattle can bad guys behind my hostage target, but I was only 3 for 5 on the little circle. I think there's a lot of luck involved on that one.

Maine under attack!

Ryanxia — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:57:18 GMT

During a sneak attack today there is a Bill being proposed (and moving forward) to attack the Constitutional Rights of the People of the state of Maine.
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/st...spx?s=&st=&ps=

Please write and call your State senators NOW to urge them to OPPOSE LD 1240 (a revised version going forward today 6/17/13).
NRA's form to write your reps: http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-l...your-reps.aspx

I'm not good at reading these but here's the link to the Bill.
http://www.mainelegislature.org/LawM...p?ID=280048132

My letter to my State Senator and State representative;

Quote:

I am writing to urge you to OPPOSE LD 1240 that would violate the Constitutional Rights of Maine residents by imposing fines and criminal records for UNKNOWINGLY breaking laws that cannot be enforced.

As is being done in Colorado, the People of Maine will immediately begin organizing a petition for the RECALL of any politician(s) who violates their Oath to defend the Constitution of the state of Maine.

Your constituents expect you to OPPOSE LD 1240 and any other infringing Bills.

Savage Rifle and Stock question

viking499 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:42:34 GMT

Found a cheap Savage rifle at my LGS. It is a model 11 and has a blind magazine.

How hard is it to swap to bottom metal and a detachable magazine? Is there companies that offer those options?

when is ammo too old?

mainecoon — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:11:49 GMT

Is there a maximum age for ammunition? Is it safe to shoot WWII-era ammo in a milsurp rifle?

Henry .22 help - LR jams

Starter52 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:02:22 GMT

I bought a used Henry .22 lever gun that functions perfectly with .22 shorts but jams every time with .22 LR ammo. The longer rounds end up stuck with the bullet nose against the chamber. Working the lever at different speeds does not help.

Anyone have an idea what causes this, and how to fix it?

Gas Check???

Bruno2 — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:57:05 GMT

What exactly is the purpose of a gas check?

Green crud on Berrys plated projectiles

rajbcpa — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:51:26 GMT

These plated 380 projectiles have been sitting in the shipping box for a few months. The green crud looks like some kind of oxyidation or rusting.

Most of it comes off by rubbing the bullet in your hand. It has impacted about 5% of the cases.

Is this normal or is something wrong with their plating process?

G.A.P. ammo in S&W 625

Metal Tiger — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:49:50 GMT

OK Folks just a quick question. Been loading and shooting the S&W 625 for a couple of years now with no complaints and lots of good times. Its kinda been my no picky eater of all of the .45 ACP ammo testing hand-loads that did not like my 1911's or my Glock 21. The S&W 625 JM just eats them all without a hiccup. So here is the question.

My brother just picked up a Glock G.A.P. and has been attempting to hand load for this picky little cartridge with varying success. I was just wondering if I could just shove a couple of his G.A.P. rounds into a couple of moon clips and try them out in the revolver.

It would kinda be like shooting the .44 special in my other favorite revolver the .44 Magnum. Is this thinking nuts has anyone done this before. Just curious but I think this could work. Any opinions?

Motor Oil???

xxjumbojimboxx — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:26:24 GMT

So I traded for a PARA Slim Hawg today. Got the gun.... It was SWIMMING in motor oil... Like, Hm, Ill just take a lil casterol GTX and pump it into my .45... Im curious... I mean it works for cars so I have to assume it would [I]work[I]in guns... the question is.. how well? I cleaned it all out and put my preference in there anyhow.

High-End AR15 + Arsenal AK vs. SCAR 17s

arizona_cards_11 — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:12:48 GMT

I'm in a bit of a pickle and need some general input on a 'what would you do?' type question.

I currently have a 300blk AR15 I built out of pretty much the highest quality commercially available components . (Noveske upper/lower, Geissele trigger, DD LPK, JP Silent Captured recoil buffer, etc...). I also have an Arsenal SAM7R-61 with a refinished Bulgarian stock set.

I reload for each and have an abundance of funds tied up in dies, bullets, cases, etc....

Both rifles shoot very well, however, neither really tickle my fancy. It's a hard thing to describe, but I really have no passion to shoot either.

I've been contemplating selling them to fund another purchase and possibly thin my reloading supplies to just a couple of calibers. If I do go through with this, I'd probably buy a SCAR 17 and be done with it.

I don't want to be a 'fool and his money.' Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Colt New Service

MI2600 — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:10:22 GMT

I bought a 1917 Colt New Service, originally chambered in .455 Eley. On the barrel, the last "5" and the "Eley" are X'd out and "Colt" is stamped underneath.
On the right side of the frame, in front of the trigger guard, is a veerry small "Not Made In England". There are a couple of areas that have crossed flags stamped.

I'm guessing the gun was shipped to the Brits during WWI, but does anyone know what the crossed flags might indicate?

AR15 Optic Setup - This Back and Forth Must Stop!

JPG19 — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:39:49 GMT

I have a problem. One that I haven't really encountered all too much before, and I need your help. I CANNOT decide which setup I prefer/which one suits my needs better when it comes to the optics I mount on my AR and, as a result, I am constantly switching back and forth between my two primary options. They are as follows:

Option 1: Nikon M-223 1-4x20 w/ BDC reticle mounted in a Burris PEPR QD mount.

Option 2: Bushnell TRS-25 Red Dot mounted on a UTG riser (not really a QD mount, but it has a finger-tightened bolt that keeps it secured to the rail so it is very easy to get on and off. Not sure how well it returns to zero though).

This rifle fills multiple roles including home defense (split between my CCW Glock G19 and this AR), range fun, and some hunting.

Option 1 is quite a bit more expensive and consists of higher end parts for sure and with the scope set to 1x target acquisition is very quick. I really don't have much of a problem with eye relief when the scope is set to 1x either, but it does exist somewhat (much more of a problem when set to 4x). Option 2 is very quick, I like the optic just fine, and the entire system is very lightweight. The downfalls are: I don't trust the mount to hold a zero like I do the Burris, and I have heard a few rumors that the red dot itself has trouble holding a zero (specifically, that it will slowly creep your POI to the left). What do you guys recommend? Having zero professional instruction, I am unaware of the potential complications/benefits of running an AR with a 1-4x scope during close-quarters home defense. What things am I not considering? Any comments and wisdom passed on are much appreciated. Thanks guys.

p.s. I am planning on getting an Eotech sometime this year but for now I need to settle on something given what I have.

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Are there recent-manufacture pistols that can not handle +P ammo?

nooooobie — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:28:05 GMT

Does anyone know of a manufacturer who explicitly warns against use of +P ammo in their firearm? I find nothing in any of my owners' manuals.

Nikon Rimfire riflescope with AO

nathan — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:24:48 GMT

Finally succumbed to what i really need. I ordered this one for my Ruger 10/22 Light Varmint Target model. It wasnt cheap though but its quality for a rimfire riflescope. Hope to get it next week and i have to go to Academy and find the right scope mount height. Im thinking of the leupold brand or what not.

http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en/N...arget-EFR.html

Do you use a mag tube clamp with your extension?

PoserHoser — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:13:42 GMT

Looking at getting a mag tube extension for my benelli super nova (+2) So do you need a mag tube clamp? Downsides? upsides? Thanks for your time

Unmarked black helicopter flying over my house

lumanaughty — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:39:10 GMT

Today there was a helicopter flying over my house a few times (3 or 4), so I decided to take some pictures.

I contacted the FAA about the low fly overs and they said that it sounds like a military helicopter and their pilots and aircraft are not regulated by the FAA, so there is nothing they can to.

Searching the internet comes up with a lot of "interenting" articles about black helicopters related to cattle mutations and the UN landing troops in the US. :) Also, I read that the military is required by law to have an emblem on their aircraft, but I didn't seen anything.

Does anyone have any real information about unmarked black helicopters?

[didn't know the correct forum to post in - plz move if needed]

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Friendship Finals

kwhi43@kc.rr.com — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:35:19 GMT

Yes we did it!!! Wife took the Women's National Pistol Championship for the
9th year. I go lucky and won the "As Issue" Revolver Championship and got
First in the 13 shot Repical Revolver match. This is 13 shots on the International
25 yd target. The "10" ring is only about a inch in dia. I used my Euroarms
Remington both. Shot well, but got very tired. Wife also won the 25 shots 50 yd
Match and the 50 yd re-entry. You really don't want to mess with her on those
50 yd matches. We had a GREAT time. Glad to be back home.

Daughter did not shoot this trip. She is getting more and more into music.

Finally Got To Hold One

kwhi43@kc.rr.com — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:25:59 GMT

While at Friendship Indiana last week, one of my friends from England was
Showing me his 1700.00 dollar Hege Remington. These are made in Germany.
They will not import these to the USA. 99% of revolver shooters in Europe shoot
These at the World Championships. It did have a good trigger and locked up
Tight. Next year I am going to shoot it.

Actual Count of Bulk Ammo??

Bruno2 — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:23:15 GMT

Over the years I have bought ammo in bulk from gun shows and private individuals. Some o the stuff I bought at gun shows wasn't boxed, but was all loose in a bag of 550 or 1000. I have never actually sat down and counted it to be sure I was getting what I bargained for.

Do any of you guys count loose rounds?

That 10/22 pin that keeps falling out finally....

CoyoteSix — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:17:05 GMT

Got lost in the field....

Yeah I was out shooting with my beloved 10/22. Noticed that the barrel wasn't on tight enough since the last time I cleaned it. I field strip it in the desert and half way through realize that the one pin that always falls out was gone. After much scrambling I came up empty handed.

Any one wanna help me figure out what the pin is called so I can order a new one?

Very nice S&W 66-4 snubbie found, worth it?

bikemutt — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:41:43 GMT

I spotted this beauty about a week ago when I accidentally walked into a gun store. The only reasons I didn't paw it over at the time were the price tag and for some reason I thought it had the integrated lock. Well, I swerved off the road again today, same darn shop, and she once again caught my eye. Obviously it is lockless.

I don't think the grip is original unless S&W shipped 'em with Uncle Mikes. The gun is cosmetically in excellent condition, not even a blush of carbon on the cylinder face, clean top strap, no gouges, scratches, boogered screw heads, nothing lurking under the grips once I removed them. The crane feels nice and tight, lockup feels normal, not Swiss bank vault tight, but tight enough. Couldn't tell much about the action as I had no snap caps with me, it appears to time right manually cocking and lowering the hammer. The shopkeep personally knows the owner, he said he would not be surprised if the fellow never fired it.

I'm still having sticker shock, and it is a consignment gun which means they are not inclined to go lower. I may have to trade a nickel K or L frame to manage the cost if I buy it.

I have never seen one around here in this good of a condition. Is she worth $799 plus tax?

Scored a 696

Eaglestroker — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:37:01 GMT

I've been hunting for one of these for a little over a year, and pretty hard since the first of this year. I nearly broke down and paid going price online a few times but stopped myself. About two weeks ago I was out of town on vacation and a friend called me saying there was one in a shop back home. I called and ended up buying this 696 no dash sight unseen for a really good price. Picked it up and gave it a good cleaning, then made some nice leather for it :)

Over-sized bead sights?

Archangel14 — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:30:20 GMT

Gents:

I was thinking about the bead on my Mossy 500. Seems to serve my needs for SD. But how about an OVER-SIZED BEAD! Anyone have any experience with the aforementioned or recommendations? Thanks!

Ruger 45 Convertable question

glockky — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:26:16 GMT

I have been thinking about getting one of the ruger 45 convertible revolvers and had a few question about them I hoped you guys could clear up for me. I am sure these questions have been asked before but in doing a search I couldn't find the answers.

What size do most of the bores slug at. I was thinking you could run into a problem with leading due to an oversized bore. I see a lot of 45 colt guns that have a .452 bore.

Was the revolver accurate with both cylinders?

Can you shoot the high powered 45 LC loads in them?

Are there any other cons that you have found with these revolvers?

electronic hearing protection?

BunnMan — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:04:08 GMT

I'd like to pick up a few sets of electronic earmuffs. Teaching my daughters and girlfriend how to shoot would go a lot smoother if we weren't yelling back and forth all the time, lol. After some poking around online I like the design of ones I've seen from Peltor that are behind the neck instead of over the head, they seem to get mixed reviews though. The Howard Leights for about the same price seem to get better reviews but are over the head, they have a jack for an aux input too. Anybody use anything like this? What do you like? I'm trying to keep the price at $75 or less as I gotta buy two.

Thanks,

-BunnMan

Price check - Beretta A303 12g magnum

Rayman1968 — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:39:05 GMT

I have a Beretta A303 12 gauge magnum that I bought new in the late 80's. Gun is in like-new condition and has had maybe 30 shells put through it.

No original box, but I have the stock barrel with the 3 choke tubes, and an extra (I think it's 26") barrel with full choke. The gun is NOT a Ducks Unlimited model.

Only blemish would be that the plastic butt plate has a crack in it.

Looking for opinions on a fair price for the gun + extra barrel. Or, should I try to sell the gun and extra barrel separately maybe?

Thanks.

Why are free email accts. allowed here?

Impureclient — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:20:33 GMT

At silencertalk they don't allow signing up using "free" email accounts like yahoo/hotmail/gmail....
Why do they have such a problem and you don't in here? They complain about spammers and having to remove their posts.

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/vi...hp?f=8&t=62634

Feelings about Carbon fiber.

Sobel — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:20:22 GMT

I ordered a windham weaponry src that has a carbon fiber upper and lower. What are peoples feelings about cf and do you think its a good idea to create an ar-15 from it? Here is a link to the rifle its on page 10. Hopefully when I get it I'll be able to add something to the conversation. Would just like to know your feelings about it.

http://www.windhamweaponry.com/pdf/W...g%204-2013.pdf

The Difference Between Generic Gun Trusts and Lawyer-Drafted Gun Trusts

Bartholomew Roberts — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:12:42 GMT

Introduction

Bartholomew Roberts is a pseudonym for a Texas-licensed attorney who has drafted gun trusts, is a member of the Texas State Bar Real Estate, Probate and Trust Law Section, and who has taken David Goldman's "Gun Trust" CLE through the ABA.

Often, in reading Internet discussions of whether someone should use an attorney-drafted trust or a "generic trust" from a legal form service such as Quicken, LegalZoom, etc., I see groups of people who don't know what they don't know. One day, I got tired of addressing common misconceptions one at a time and decided to write this short article in hopes of helping non-professionals understand the differences between a generic form trust used for a gun trust and an attorney drafted gun trust. This will, I hope, give you some idea about what a gun trust is and some things to think about if you decide you might want to set one up. But this is not intended to tell you in detail how to go about it and it is no substitute for a professional consultation with an attorney.

What is a Trust?

First, let’s discuss what a trust is. Most commonly, a trust is a device to hold property for the future use of other people. In the distant past, when people died and their children were not yet of age to manage land or other expensive property, the property would be placed in a trust. The trustee was the person who managed the property for the benefit of the children, who are called the beneficiaries. The key features of a trust are that it involves a future interest and it distributes control and use of the property to more than one person. Additionally, in many states, the trust must have a set lifespan and will one day have to terminate and distribute its property.

Over time this idea was extended more broadly so that people could give property to trusts while still alive (living trusts) and even revoke the trust and retake possession of the property (revocable trusts). Trusts, however, are a creation of state law and what powers they may have depends entirely on your state law. Accordingly, the issues discussed here are only discussed in a broad, general sense to help you become better informed. Once again, this post is no substitute for consultation with a lawyer or attorney specialized in Trust Law in your state.

So what is a Gun Trust?

Many people become interested in Gun Trusts because they wish to own NFA firearms and in many restrictive areas, a Gun Trust can make this easier. There are two common reasons people use NFA Trusts. Sometimes, the Chief Law Enforcement Officer will not fulfill his obligation to sign the Form indicating that possession of NFA weapons is not illegal in your area – even if this is well understood by the courts, the legal system and ATF. Without this signature, the ATF will not process your request. However, this requirement is not necessary for a corporation or trust. A second common reason is that possession of an NFA weapon not registered to you is a serious felony crime with strict penalties. This means even your close family may not use or even have access to your NFA firearms without your direct supervision. Rather than create a situation where your wife or children can easily become felons, many families choose to use a Gun Trust since this allows for possession of the firearm by more than one person.

However, Gun Trusts have more uses than just NFA firearms. If you live in a restrictive state that is about to adopt prohibitions on the transfers of magazines or non-NFA firearms, a Gun Trust may be an excellent vehicle for making sure your children can enjoy the same rights you enjoyed when they come of age.

Three Common Ways Used to Draft Gun Trusts

Once people become interested in Gun Trusts, they soon discover some very different approaches to having one done. The first approach is to “borrow” a form from the Internet and change the names and wording as necessary. This is usually the least desirable approach; but the cheapest in terms of initial cost ($0). Much like you can be your own plumber or electrician, you can be your own lawyer as well. Except instead of 3” of water on your kitchen floor, the problems in a poorly drafted trust may not show up for years and can range from minor inconvenience, to major legal expense, to criminal charges and prison.

The second approach is to use a “generic trust” generated by Quicken, Legal Zoom, or similar software. Occasionally, gun stores will even hand out these blank forms for their customers to fill out. The trusts will have standard language with blanks for the user to fill in according to their needs. These trusts will be very simple, very broadly drafted documents that don’t address many common issues in NFA trusts. However, as long as you fill them out correctly, the ATF will usually approve the form. For example, one common error in drafting by non-professionals is to make the Grantor (also called a Settlor), the Trustee and the Beneficiary all the same person. Remember, a trust involves property interests among more than one person. Such a trust will be found invalid, even when using an otherwise valid form trust. Attached to this post is an example of a generic form "gun" trust that was posted on the Internet.

According to the poster, the trust was being handed out by a Texas gun shop to people interested in NFA firearms. This raises an additional issue for FFLs to be aware of – while a person can be their own plumber or surgeon, if you provide that same service to someone, you are required to be licensed in most states. Lawyers are no different in that regard. This generic trust has a modified Schedule A to make it more suitable for guns (ironically, it not only creates problems for the user as I’ll describe later; but if the gun shop did that modification, it could open them up to being sued for the unlicensed practice of law.)

Using a generic form trust as a Gun Trust has two major advantages – the initial cost is minimal ($30-50) and the chances of your form being approved by the ATF are very high. So if your major concern is to get your NFA toys into your hot little hands as cheaply and quickly as possible, this approach has a lot of appeal.

The final approach is to have a lawyer who specializes in trust law, or better yet, Gun Trusts specifically, draft a trust that specifically meets your needs. Ideally, a lawyer will talk to you about your needs and determine what approach works best for you. Because he does this for a living, he likely has an already drafted form or forms that are very close to what you want that he will modify as necessary. While many people don’t understand the difference between this and filling out a blank Quicken form, there are significant differences and I’ve found clients appreciate you not billing them several days work to recreate the form from scratch.

Additionally, a lawyer should not only draft a custom Gun Trust suitable to his clients needs; he should advise them on NFA law and how to avoid common pitfalls in NFA ownership. He should show you the kind of proper documentation he needs to defend you in court if you do have a problem somewhere. And he should help familiarize you with the tax consequences of trusts. As an added bonus, lawyers can be very handy in navigating establishing a bank account for your trust. You may have read recently that several banks have refused to do business with gun businesses. According to David Goldman, a Florida lawyer practicing in this area, this practice has also been extended to Gun Trusts by some banks.

The downside is that this approach, while very thorough, also has the highest initial cost ($150-600). While I described what I think is ideal and responsible, you should keep in mind that lawyers are businesses who have loans and expenses to pay. As you get lower in prices, you may not see the same level of service I described here simply because it isn’t economically feasible.

Quick Checklist - Will a generic trust be a good fit for my needs?
So which approach best fits your needs? To be honest, the generic form trusts can be a great solution for many people and it would be a mistake to discount them. I’ve created a short checklist to determine whether one of the generic form trusts would be a good fit for you:
1. Are you single?
2. Are you primarily interested in a suppressor or NFA item with a relatively low value and no plans to expand?
3. Do you trust every single person named in your trust in any capacity 100%? Not just trust them with your life; but trust them with your money and your hypothetical wife as well? Trust them for the rest of your life?
4. Are you going to be mentally OK with having the same people you trusted take every single thing you put in the trust and selling it for their own benefit/destroying it/taking it? Would you still consider that a good deal compared to the initial cost of an attorney?
5. Is your primary interest just to own an NFA item (not to deal with magazines or non-NFA items) and you don’t really care what happens with it after you die or whether it creates problems for those who handle your estate?

If you answered “YES!” to all of those questions, then you are probably a good fit for a generic form trust. Now using a generic trust doesn’t mean all of those things WILL happen. It just means that the generic trust doesn’t address a lot of commonly seen issues. If your trust is full of trustworthy people with good relationships with each other, even a poorly drafted trust will handle most problems because the people involved are trying to resolve their issues with goodwill.

Examining the Generic Trust as a Gun Trust - First Problem

Now let’s examine the generic trust to see how well it works as a Gun Trust. Since this form is drafted to Texas law and I am a Texas lawyer (but not your lawyer), we will be looking at it specific to Texas. Some of these points may not apply if you do not live in Texas and as always, this is a poor, poor substitute for an actual face-to-face with a conversation with a lawyer. The first thing you’ll notice is that the generic trust isn’t a gun trust at all. It is a generic form trust that has a different schedule A to list firearms on it. However, in attempting to give this generic form trust a “gun trust” flavor, the drafter actually created a minor problem. Under NFA law, your trust may not take possession of a firearm until your form is approved. Unless you already own the NFA item in question as a private individual, you have no authority to transfer it to the Trust. If you live in an area where the CLEO signature cannot be obtained, it will have to be transferred from the FFL to the Trust directly. So the Schedule A will not be helpful in that circumstance. It probably won’t be harmful either; but if you were foolish enough to list your new intended purchase on the Schedule A, it can raise questions as to who the actual owner of the item was at the time of transfer and ambiguity about who is the legal owner of an NFA weapon is rarely helpful. The gun trusts that I have drafted actually use a very similar Schedule A. The difference is that when you fill out a gun trust I drafted, I am there to advise you how to fill it out correctly. With any generic form trust, you take that responsibility on yourself.

Common Problem #1 in Generic Trusts used as Gun Trusts

Let’s discuss a common situation with Gun Trusts. You have a family and you want to own NFA items. You love your wife and do not want her to go to prison because while you were at the range the police came by to check on a burglar alarm and discovered your short-barreled rifle registered in only your name; but that your wife had access to because you gave her the combination to the safe so she could use your handgun if necessary. So you use our generic form trust and you list your wife’s name as Trustee so she will be able to have LEGAL access to your short-barreled rifle (which she probably shoots well because it is light and the suppressor makes it quiet ;)). Texas is a community property state. Was it your intention in creating this trust to make even your separate property into community property? Did your wife join you in executing the trust? The generic form trust we are looking at is unclear on the intent of the Grantor as well as giving a non-professional any clue that it might or might not be necessary for the wife to join in the execution of the trust.

And what happens if one day divorce hits our happy hypothetical family? As written, the generic form trust says that “If, in the judgment of the Trustee, the Grantor becomes incapacitated by reason of legal incapacity or other infirmity, Trustee shall have full authority…” That seems like a remarkably broad grant of power doesn’t it? The same Trustee who has full authority to manage all the trust property also has the authority to declare you incapacitated and continue to manage the property. Additionally, the generic form trust goes on to say that the Trustee must be given 30 days notice before removal by the Grantor and that the Grantor is powerless to modify or alter the powers of the Trustee without the consent of the Trustee. Between this and the generic reference to the Texas Trust Act powers, anyone named as a Trustee has the power to find the Grantor incapacitated based only on their own judgment, as well as the power to sell Trust property, take loans against it, etc.

Even if it is obvious that there is a conflict between the Trustee and the Grantor, the Grantor cannot remove the Trustee without 30 days notice or restrict the powers of the Trustee without their consent. How long would it take for a registered M16 lower to sell for say $200? Less than 30 days? Will a court be willing to invalidate a sale to a third party when the Trustee clearly had those powers under the terms of the trust? Those can be expensive questions to resolve through the court system. And that broad grant of power with little ability to revoke it may be a problem in a contentious divorce.

And even if you can revoke the trust successfully - what are you going to do with the NFA items? If you revoke the trust, they will have to be transferred to the individuals who established the trust. Assuming that divorce isn't already complicating that issue, one of the common reasons for an NFA trust is that the CLEO will not sign off on the proper form. If the ATF will not approve the transfer to the individual or individuals, then being able to revoke the trust isn't a very helpful means of resolving any problems caused by the drafting of your trust.

Other Common Problems Not Addressed by This Generic Trust - A Short Rundown

These are just a few examples of commonly occurring problem with generic trusts that this trust doesn’t really address well. There are others :
1. This trust has no provisions for what happens if a Grantor, Trustee or Beneficiary becomes a prohibited person.
2. It has no provisions dealing with tax issues raised by gifting NFA items to a trust (more important in transferable machineguns or items with a value of greater than $10,000 in a single year)
3. This trust terminates on the death of the Grantor. What happens if your beneficiary is a minor child unable to possess such items due to state or federal law when you die? Will the Trustee be forced to sell off the items in order to terminate the Trust and comply with the law?
4. The trust isn't really designed to have multiple Trustees. What happens if there is more than one Trustee named (say you and a spouse) and you each have a different opinion about what is the best course of action for dealing with Trust property. Who wins that argument?
5. The Trust has no provisions dealing with waste. Remember, the purpose of a trust is to manage a future interest in property for someone else for their benefit. What happens if a beneficiary objects to the use of trust property because shooting that transferable M249 SAW will reduce its future value? Does that beneficiary have a claim against the Trustee? Of course, the Grantor could always just revoke the trust - assuming the CLEO will sign off...

For further reading, David Goldman, a Florida-based Gun Trust lawyer, keeps quite a collection of stories of various problems with generic "gun" trusts he has encountered in his practice. It makes for some informative reading in seeing the types of problems he has been asked to solve for clients who didn't want to pay the higher initial cost; but I doubt he solved many of those problems for less than $600.

Conclusion

I hope you have found some of this info useful in deciding what type of Gun Trust is going to best suit your needs. Without question, I think an attorney-drafted Gun Trust is the best option if you can afford the higher initial cost. Like many things in life, I think that in the long term that type of trust is going to cost you less than some of the options that appear cheaper at first glance. Having said that, thousands of people have used generic form trusts successfully to enjoy NFA firearms without problems yet. Nobody can tell you whether you are going to be one of those people; but those who can answer Yes to all of the questions on this checklist should be in a better position than most to have that experience. Ultimately, a trust is about planning for the future; but it can also be used to just simply streamline the NFA process. If you interested in planning for the future, a lawyer's advice is going to be invaluable because they know where the problems are going to crop up due to experience. If you just want to streamline the NFA process and are less worried about future planning, then a generic trust may be a better value for you. Ultimately, it is a decision you will have to make. I hope this piece helped you be a little better informed about those decisions.

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Madigan seeks 2nd extention in Illinois

usmarine0352_2005 — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:56:22 GMT

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I thought SCOTUS said the previous extension they granted was the final extension they would grant.

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/home/ticke...211836001.html

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Madigan Seeks Second Extension On Concealed Carry Appeal

June 17, 2013 11:56 AM

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) � Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan is asking the U.S. Supreme Court for more time to decide whether to appeal a lower court�s order saying citizens should be allowed to publicly carry concealed guns.

Madigan already got one extension � until June 24 � to challenge the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruling that said a ban on concealed firearms is unconstitutional. Now she wants until July 24.
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Wisconsin Bill Bans Civilian Use of Hollow Point Ammo

stumpers — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:16:47 GMT

AB221, introduced May 29, concerns hollowpoint ammo. Outlaws most possession of HP ammo with very stiff criminal penalties.

Please take a minute and write a letter or email to the committee members and encourage them to vote against this bill, while at the same time educating them why it is important to be able to use HP ammo for all types of situations, including safety.

The bill can be read here:

http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013...roposals/ab221

Committee members can be found here:

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/Pages/comm-info.aspx?c=1092

Filling gaps between wood and metal

Magno — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:37:05 GMT

I recently made a new set of grips for my SAA, and I'm pretty satisfied with them overall. HOWEVER, I took a little too much off the tops of the grips. There is about a 1/8th inch gap between the top of the wood and the mating surface on the backstrap. It's kind of driving me nuts.

Who has some advice on how I should go about fixing this problem?

Can anyone tell me which rings I need for this?

SunnySlopes — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:24:04 GMT

It's a Ruger #1, obviously. I bought it used. No box, paper or rings.

I'm shopping for rings and there are several different varieties available. The scope will either be a Redfield Revolution 3-9X40 or a Leupold VX-1 (same power).

When I look at Ruger's site, it breaks the possibilities down to #1 Standard, 1B, etc.

Ruger 10/22 Jam Issue

Optix — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:53:22 GMT

I have a Ruger 10/22 that has had about 800-1000 rounds ran through it. The issue I am having with it is that regardless of what magazine is being used, it stove pipe jams after firing the 3rd to last round in a magazine, every single time, its always the 3rd to last round.

This happens with new 10rd magazines, vintage used 10rd magazines, and also the Ruger BX-25 mag.

This problem also happens regardless of the type of ammo being used and was present before and after replacing the extractor with a volquartsen extractor.

Any ideas as to what I should do to remedy this issue?

Thanks.

Wisconsin Bill Bans Civilian Use of Hollow Point Ammo

dc dalton — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:42:08 GMT

A member from Wisconsin alerted us to a bill we somehow missed, AB221 introduced May 29, the bill essentially bans civilian use of hollow point ammunition stating:

'Whoever intentionally sells, transports, manufactures, or possesses any hollowpoint bullet, bullet that expands or flattens easily in the human body, or bullet with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core or is pierced with incisions is guilty of a Class H felony'

http://amgoa.org/Proposed-Wisconsin-...State-Law/9585

Not sure the chances it has with only three sponsors though.

Article: Santa Fe NM Ammo Limit

nwilliams — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:41:57 GMT

This is absolutely ridiculous! I guess I'm moving out of Santa Fe if this stupid proposal passes!

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/new...39a687c41.html

Quote:

“One community after the other at a grass-roots level can make this effort and really make a difference,” Bushee said. “This is just our way of demonstrating concern for these feeding devices that are, generally speaking, used for mass murder.” -Councilor Patti Bushee

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“We can either do nothing and continue to allow these high capacity magazines to be on our streets — and they are on our streets — or we can begin the process to eliminate them from our city,” she wrote in a recent message to city councilors. “And God forbid if there is a shooting with one of these high capacity clips, not only would it be tragic in terms of the life lost, but you can bet tourism in this town will take a downward spiral.” -Councilor Patti Bushee

Quote:

“In the vast majority of cases, if someone needs more than 10 rounds for a gun, they intend to be in a war zone or committing a crime,” Merchant said.

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Bushee — who is campaigning to be elected mayor in the 2014 city election — said she might try to add language to the proposal that would establish “new bureaucracy” for gun owners who already have the devices to get notarized proof that they are permitted to keep them. She expects there will be a contentious debate on the proposal at a public hearing planned June 26.

Chicago Firearms Meetup - 2013-06-20 18:00 @ Billy Goat, 330 S. Wells

VVelox — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:06:07 GMT

The next Chicago Firearms Meetup is this week on 2013-06-20. The time and location is 18:00 at the Billy Goat on 330 S Wells St.

As to why one should be interested, the purpose of this is to serve as a monthly chance for the Chicago locals to get together and discuss a shared topic of interested while also providing a chance for the curious to stop by and ask questions. Given the level of othering here in this city, the second part is of notable importance as it provides a decent contact point for the curious outside of what they may find online.

Myth and Reality of the Ross MkIII Straight-Pull

Ian — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:58:51 GMT

There is a lot of misunderstand or just lack of understanding about the Ross - the Canadian straight-pull rifle reputed to have a habit of blowing up in shooters' faces. Ross collectors generally know the details, but most other folks (myself included, when I got interested in the issue) don't know if that reputation is accurate or not, and why.

So, I got my hands on a sporterized MkIII Ross, and set about finding out exactly what might cause one to fire out of battery, and how to determine the safe or dangerous status of any given Ross. I put the results together into a video, culminating in an attempt to blow one up on high-speed camera. You can see it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=EaSui_UqDX8

http://www.forgottenweapons.com/myth...he-ross-mkiii/

ammo to Syria?

SSN Vet — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:42:02 GMT

With all the buzz about the recent policy change to arm the Syrian opposition, there have been several news articles discussing the topic.

So I'm listening to the radio and some state dept. weenie says that small arms and ammo. are on being offered to "trustworthy" anti-government types training in Jordan. And when they move ont to interview a Syria "expert" he says that what the opposition desperately needs is ammunition.

So I also can't help wondering if the US supporting this fiasco won't drive ammo shortages even more.

And the little light in my head goes "ding" .... and I also can't help but wonder if that's what the massive DHS ammo purchases are really all about.

Inquiring minds want to know. :confused:

Security-Six; equal to a K or L Frame?

CPLofMARINES — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:29:07 GMT

Was wondering if the Security-Six would be similar to
A S&W K or L frame. I own a GP100 as well and the
GP100 seems like a more robust revolver. Love them
Equally as well. Thanks for any input!

SEMPER FI

Should I complain?

DAP90 — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:13:53 GMT

As I have done for the last five years I spent this past father�s day weekend camping with my family and extended family.

On Saturday, we went to the amphitheater to see Possum the Mountain Man; a show put on by the campground. In addition to stories and animal pelts there was some gun safety sprinkled throughout the show. He had a few black powder firearms as props. The gun safety was limited to �treat all guns as loaded� and �don�t touch, get an adult� type of information for the kids and �keep guns and ammo separate and both locked up� for the adults.

I can appreciate the attempt to positively portray guns and the safety message to other kids who might not otherwise ever get any info on gun safety. I do not however appreciate his discharging a firearm during the show.

Towards the end of the show, after telling the kids to treat all guns as loaded, he pulls out a muzzle loading handgun of some kind. He asks the kids if it�s loaded and when he got a no answer from someone, fired it in the air without warning.

Attending the show with me was my wife, sister-in-law, 5 year old son and his similarly aged cousins. All six of us experienced a ringing in our ears after he fired the shot. Naturally, the kids were sitting in the front row. I don�t appreciate being exposed to that level of noise without warning. I would have chosen not to attend had I known that was part of the show.

I find it ironic that Possum complained several times during the show that he was old and didn�t hear so well anymore.

So I�m asking, should I complain to the park? On the one hand the show had a somewhat positive gun message. On the other, I actually left the show pretty irate and I can�t imagine I was the only one; which probably voided positive message that might have gotten through.

competition holster options for S&W 22A

glockky — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:31:49 GMT

I am looking at shooting a local rimfire competition but cant find a good holster for my 5" smith and Wesson 22A. Anyone seen any holsters for these?

good place to hog hunt SW florida?

wisconsin — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:09:38 GMT

Anybody know of a good place to hog hunt in SW florida? Either public without quota permit or preferably be able to refer me to a land owner.
Thanks in advance

Fair price for a CZ 82

rmuzz — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:02:02 GMT

What's a fair price for a cz 82? Has two mags and a soft case and surplus police holster. looked into these a while back. Just looking for a price check.

15 year old girl with some good things to say

red-demon652 — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:50:00 GMT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_-N...e_gdata_player

The sweat voice she spoke words that just make you wanna cry as she faithfully and bravely
stands up for hers and our 2nd amendment rights. Click the link and watch her in action!!
Spread this video for all to see especially those anti gunners.

Gun Test Publication

Bruno2 — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:43:21 GMT

I don't know how many of you guys are familiar with Gun Test. Gun Test is the publication to get if you are looking for info on a gun you want to buy. Unlike any other magazine that does tests on the newer models . Gun Test goes to the store and buys their firearms right off the shelf like a consumer does. Almost all of the other magazines performing tests on new firearms will call the factory and tell them what they are doing and try to get a sample for free. So the factory (I am sure) will hand pick the gun and probably send it back down to the fit and finish dept to deburr and slick them up before shipping them to the aftermarket test facility. So the Gun Test method is the most accurate test if you want the low down on an unbiased opinion about a firearm and how it performs right out of the box.

M&P Magpul edition?

Rittmeister — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:33:51 GMT

I just found out that a new range is being constructed near my home that'll have a longer distance than my usual 25-yard indoor facility. My last argument against buying a decent rifle kinda evaporated when I found this out...

So, I'm looking into ARs. I don't want to get into a debate about which brand to buy (good grief have I read a lot of that). Bottom line is that I'm considering the Smith and Wesson M&P Magpul edition, in a midlength configuration. The catalog number is 811053.

I've read consistently that S&W makes a good AR for the money (yes I know, there are better ARs but they cost more). Quality seems good and it has a lifetime warranty. I like the way it shoulders and handles, and it's lightweight. The money (luckily) isn't a burden and I'm looking at it from the standpoint that it's my first AR; I don't want to piece it together, I just want something that works off the shelf. It's got decent sights and the only things I might add in the future are a scope of some kind and a bipod.

I'd be grateful if anyone could relate experiences with this rifle if possible, or if not, with the S&W M&P15 series in general.

Thanks!

Zouave Frustration Ends

Rudedog — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:49:17 GMT

Finally after years of Kentucky windage, Minie balls, Buffalo balls, patched round balls and endless internet searching to no avail�.. I have achieved great bliss with my Euroarms .58 caliber Zouave.

I replaced the period correct stupid rear sight (oh the joy when I discovered a dovetail slot under the original sight) with an elevation adjustable buckhorn sight that was an extra from my .54 GPR. Installed this centered up along the barrel. My first shot was windage correct in the nine ring at 50 yards, The windage stayed true out to 120 yards which was the limits of the range I was shooting. No longer do I have to hold one foot right windage.

Also I paper patched my resized Minie balls to get tighter shot groups. Finally the gun has become a shooter instead of a wall hanger.

Open carry in Tennessee state parks?

Narwhal — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:28:31 GMT

Hi,

I am visiting Roan Mountain state park in Tennessee in a few weeks and am wondering what my options are for carrying there?

I am a Texas resident with a Texas concealed handgun license if it matters. I was hoping to carry my H&K USP 40 in a belt holster for protection from black bear since we are planning to hike long distances.

I could carry it concealed if that was my only option.

I'm guessing the answer is "NO!" since I found this blurb on the TN state parks website:

Quote:

Firearms, traps and other weapons
Exceptions to weapons prohibition provided below.
In park, natural, and historical areas the use of traps, seines, handthrown spears, nets (except landing nets), firearms (including air and gas powered pistols and rifles), blow guns, bows and arrows or crossbows, and any other implements designed to discharge missiles in the air or under the water which are capable of destroying animal life is prohibited. The possession of such objects or implements is prohibited unless they are unloaded and adequately cased, or broken down or otherwise packed in such a way as to prevent their use while in the park areas.

Exception 1: Shooters may use recreational target shooting ranges available for skeet, trap and bow and arrow target shooting within a park area as long as these weapons are properly cased when not on the range.

Exception 2: Authorized Federal, State, County and City law enforcement officers may carry firearms in the performance of their official duties.

Exception 3: Persons using park area facilities while participating in authorized open or managed hunts within the park areas or beyond, may use and possess firearms under the specific rules and regulations pertaining to the authorized hunt and only in the authorized hunting zones or compartments.

Thanks for the advice!

South Dakota OC laws

gamestalker — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:56:38 GMT

I think I read that South Dakota has revised OC (open carry) in public now. I was looking at the NRA site and interpreted it to mean that OC is now permissible without any permit required. Is this accurate?

I no longer live in S.D., but I do return for hunting and family visits from time to time. So I'm obviously not wanting to break their laws, thus resulting in the seizure of my weapons or getting prosecuted for such.

GS

Food

xxjumbojimboxx — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 06:59:00 GMT

Im curious about wild hog. I know people smoke beef, and fish, but I was wondering if the same was doable with hog meat. Both for a delicious snack and as a means of preserving it in a wilderness, or survival situation. I know it needs to be heated to at least 140 degrees for more than a minute to kill that worm that starts with a t.. Trechyea? Something like that... Either way.. Has anyone smoke cured wild hog? How well does it hold? Any recipees?

Lastly I have no knowledge of this, but what would be some good spices found wild here in central texas? Bonus points for anyone who can answer that :)

I bought a cannon...

Glock19Fan — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 06:25:57 GMT

I bought a cannon I have never seen before over the weekend. I have been searching for a couple days and havent found any info on it. It measures about 20 inches overall with a 12 inch barrel. It is solid cast iron and has the letters RMI cast into it. Does anyone have any information on this at all? How old, does it fire, worth, ect.

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Some desert fun with the GSR (pic heavy)

ECVMatt — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:25:51 GMT

I have had my GSR for about 2 1/2 years and still love it. I take it on most of my desert ramblings as it is just about perfect. I always seem to read about folks that are not sure about accuracy, reliability, or performance, so I thought it was time for a little testing to update my older post.

Here is what I did:

I had two old closet doors, so I painted a target on each side totaling four. I fired five rounds as quick as possible from slinged, supported, prone. I fired from 100, 200, 300, and 400 yards or at least pretty close. I had to pace off the distance, so it could be +, - ten yards or so. I began firing from 100 yards, then immediately reloaded and moved back in 100 yard increments until I reached 400 yards.

So here are the results:

From 100 yards:

Targets close up:

100 yard target: about two inch group

200 yard target: about 3.5 inch group

300 yard target: about nine inch group

400 yard target: about 19 inch group

I am running a traditional Leupold Scout Scope scope, so 400 yards was easy to hit, but harder to pick an exact hold over. My first round went low, and then I kind of got it figured out. The most interesting component of the 400 yard group is the horizontal dispersion; it is less than three inches. If I had figured out the hold over on the first shot, I would have had a group similar in size to the 300 yard group. That is something to work on.

Anyways it is a great rifle that shoots very well. Any creature with evil intent that comes within 400 yards or so must tread with heavy trepidations or at least carry a strong belief in the hereafter.

I hope this provides some useful information for folks looking to buy a Ruger Gunsite Rifle.

And now for some gratuitous GSR pics:

Thanks for the look,

Matt

Just got a SAR B6P

taraquian — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:06:57 GMT

I was gifted a new pistol for Father's Day and I spent a little time at the range with it, thought I would post some comments.

When I was looking at it right out of the box I noticed sparkles in the case, looked at it and there is NO lube on this gun at all, my other EAAs (Witness) were dripping grease. I usually put a few downrange before I clean and oil my guns but did this on ebefoe going. Comes apart like any CZ clone and shares mags with my CZ75. Has tight tolorences, no rattles or slop in it. Much lighter than the Witness or CZ ( my first polymer one)

At the range:
I used S&B and Federal 115 fmjs, 100 rounds total. Factory mag and a witness 40 mag with the feed lips sqeezed in (this mag feeds horribly on purpose). No fail to fire, no extraction failures and no double feeds, which my mag is always been good for. POI and POA seem off by a bit the first 30 rounds all hit low and I had hell trying to compensate but it points instictively and I was more accurate drawing and point shooting that slowly aiming each shot.

Shooting 2 handed it felt a lot like my Witness .40, a bit of snap but easily controlled, one handed it took a little time to get back on target, and off handed...honestly I almost droppednit the first offhand round. Did I mention its my first polymer? I have shot polymers before but I guess I never tried off hand and I was not prepared for that much muzzle flip. The gun is accurate though, every miss made a tight group under the target ;) and as a reloader I definately appreciate the 5' circle off my 4 o'clock it dumped all my brass in.

In all it seems a good additon to my CZ/clone collection and if it proves reliable may see some carry duty as its soooo much lighter than even my Compact. It does not however fit in my CZs Fobus which kinda sucks but it should fit in the same as my Witnesses with just a little slop until I can find on ejust for it.

I'll try to update this as I get more triggr time with it

Anyone have any experence with Alexander Arms?

Kachok — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 04:20:25 GMT

My friend the big bore junkie is now drooling over a 50 Beowulf but that is only made by Alexander Arms, of all the ARs I have shot I have zero experience with them, anyone have any hands on experience they would care to share, are the worth the money or would he be better served to go with the Rock River 458 Socom?

Streight pull action other then Schmidt-Rubin?

Kachok — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 04:14:56 GMT

A friend of mine bought an old rifle that the previous owner swears is a 6.5x55 but it is a straight pull action with Swiss markings all over, I told him not to try and shoot 6.5x55 through it until I can confirm but it looks like a hacked up K31 or other Schmidt-Rubin rifle and to my knowledge there were no straight pull 6.5x55s made in that era or any other time for that matter. Serial numbers on the barrel, magazine, and action match so it had not been modified other then the stock.
I am thinking the previous owner is mixing up 6.5x55 Swede and 7.5x55 Swiss.

Satisfaction

xxjumbojimboxx — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:59:56 GMT

I know everybody is different, but I'm honestly VERY curious about how many rounds you need to go through on a range trip to feel like you got some good practice in, or just to feel satisfied in general. I know it differs for different types of guns and styles of shooting. Tell me about how you get it done!... This also could shed a little light on how much ammo is actually being USED of whats being purchased these days. Either way lets hear it.

Personally I dont feel like I get in a good pistol workout without shooting at least 250 rounds or so out of any of my 9mm pistols... 45 Ill shoot maybe 150/200... And at that point I feel like I've accomplished some practive. Im curious too, How many of y'all can go out with a box of 50 and stop at that? I know its different for bolt action rifles and the like.

When I bring one of my AKs to the range Ill usually BRING something like 15-20 mags... May not go through it all... Usually I stop around 8-10... Thats sounds awfully wasteful here as I type it out :) haha I like it though so i guess ot each his own.

Check your brass.

maxyedor — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:58:19 GMT

Missed 1 piece of berdan primed brass, whoops! Pulled the handle, it all felt normal, until I saw the split neck, hmmm. Look at the die:banghead:

Wouldn't be so bad if this was the last few from the batch, but of course it was the 5th piece of brass in a batch of about 2k. Guess I get to shoot factory ammo next weekend, and make my first ever call to Lee customer service. Just hope they have a spare in stock I can buy so I can get back to it ASAP.

IWB for tactical pistol class

Archaic — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:42:39 GMT

I'm seriously thinking about taking a 1-2 day combat pistol class. Right now I carry every day IWB in a fairly inexpensive all-in-one holster. Obviously this will not do for a class where I will be drawing and holstering 100+ times a day. I want to train with the same rig I carry, so I am looking for a good jeans and t-shirt IWB rig for my Walther PPS that will still be suitable for a shooting class. I've heard most instructors prefer OWB, but that is not an option for my everyday carry.

I've looked at Blade-tech, Raven, and Crossbreed. I am open to Kydex, Leather, or both. I'm a fairly big guy (6-1, 225) and I work outdoors in the texas heat wearing jeans t-shirt at least 100 days a year. Any suggestions? Has anybody else taken a combat shooting class and had problems doing the draw-fire-holster drills with IWB?

Fabarms H&K

WoodchuckAssassin — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:38:04 GMT

There's a very nice Fabarm H&K at the local shop for $699 AS NEW. The blue book price of this gun (which you couldn't tell from a NIB gun) is just over $1000. Usually I don't come across the "super deals" in my neck of the woods, but is this a too-good-to-be-true deal? It felt good in my hands and came with all the extra screw-in chokes and shmancy case. Would any of you feel any worry about the quality of the product?

Select Fire M14 in McMillan MFS-14 stock revew - controllable automatic M14?

Narwhal — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:34:04 GMT

Well, I finally got my Smith Enterprise Inc. M14 registered select fire project finished. I put it in an MFS-14 and had it bedded by M14 gunsmith "Warbird" who did a fine job. For the build I used an Enidine/Mesa shot shock recoil reducing buffer tube, a VLTOR emod buttstock, an SEI coast guard muzzle brake, a magpul RVG vertical grip, an ultimak forward rail, harris bipod, and an aimpoint comp M3. Originally it came in M14E2 congfiguration with the straight line wooden stock. The beauty of this build is that I can have it back in the Vietnam M14E2 config in about 5 minutes if desired.

I think I've succeeded in making the rifle controllable in full auto. I also filled the buttstock battery compartments up with lead fishing weights so that the rifle weighs about 15 pounds unloaded.

Doing 20 round mag dumps, at 100 yards prone I can keep about 60% of the rounds on a 18.5"x24" silhouette and at 25 yards standing it's also about 60% (11-12 rounds out of 20). I really like the ultimak and aimpoint setup, and overheating isn't a problem even though the entire rig gets very hot after a few mag dumps. Obviously, accuracy increases with 2 or 3 round bursts.

Here are some pictures with the barrel looking a little ashy after some mag dumps and some videos (sorry for the sideways second vid).

Video 1:

http://s973.photobucket.com/user/ran...00375.mp4.html

Video 2:

http://s973.photobucket.com/user/ran...00381.mp4.html

Couple of Luger questions ....

Swing — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:23:21 GMT

The Practical Question: If one's goal was to obtain shooter in 9x19mm, what should one look for? That is, I don't care about matching numbers, date of manufacture, codes, etc. Just a safe-to-shoot Luger in 9mm. Also, what would be a reasonable price? I realize Luger collecting is a study in and of itself, but there has to be some basic things to look for.

The Just Wonder'n Question: A while back while at a gunshow, I saw a, for all intents and purposes, shrunk down Luger in .32ACP. It looked just like a Luger, it appeared to have a toggle action, but it was a little thing. Any idea what I saw? Google turned up some leads, but I haven't seen exactly what I remember as of yet.

Thanks all for any info. :)

Carbine Conversion Unit

WALKERs210 — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:20:25 GMT

Don't remember exactly how I came across this setup but it did peak my attention. From what I have seen this is a conversion that uses the lower of a 1911 or Glock to wind up with a 16" barrel Carbine. Getting ready to do an in depth search for information both positive and negative. The attached pic shows it in a basic setup and looks like you can all the bells and whistles you want

This is link to their home page.

Quote:

http://www.mechtechsys.com/index.php

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Is a state/city legally liable for damages after a gun ban?

brdrail — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:10:22 GMT

All - thought piece here. Is a city or state legally liable for personal damages if they deprive the individual (by law or by regulation) of their ability to defend themselves? I'm not addressing if a private individual or business owner declares that they don't want firearms on their premises (which is their right under property rights), but what I want to know is can a state or other governmental entity be held liable for damages if harm falls to the individual? In essence, if there is a gun ban in a given jurisdiction, then the individual cannot defend themselves, therefore the governmental structure that prevented the victim from protecting themselves has now taken on the specific responsibility of providing individual security. If this is the case, and violence occurs to the individual, can they sue the state or municipality for damages for failing to protect them? If this has been answered elsewhere, then please point me in the direction! Thanks!

Father's Day at the range.

50 Shooter — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 02:59:59 GMT

Anyone else spend the day at the range shooting?

Took my son and hit the range for the day, had a good day of shooting. One of my friends had his M2 out and my son had a blast shooting it. I think I'm going to have to buy him an M&P 15-22, the old 10/22 just isn't cool looking enough for him.

Let plenty of bystanders shoot the .50 and keep the brass, not sure which they liked better. Seeing that .50 Cal smile is always worth is letting them shoot it.

Also had the new to me Mauser and 1903 out, both are great shooters. I shot so much 8mm and '06 that my shoulder will probably hurt for a week. They're so nice that I couldn't stop shooting them. Maybe I'll set up paper next time out to see how they group but banging steel all over the range was just to much fun.

Hope you all had a great Fathers Day and made it to the range.

Cleaner that will attack lead but NOT copper?

dogie — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 02:48:55 GMT

Hello y'all,

I've got a college project and I have a need for some from of solvent that will remove lead relatively quickly, yet will leave copper (as much as possible) in tact.

After a lot of googling it turns out that lead removal is what gun owners do every cleaning, and so I'm reaching out to y'all for help. I've looked at many different gun cleaning solvents however I'm finding a hard time finding one which will attack lead only.

Other criteria:
As safe as possible, ie explosive/toxic fumes etc
Speed of reaction, as fast as possible. <30 is an absolute must though.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

measuring powder question?

usmc0811 — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 02:47:51 GMT

I'm new to reloading and have been gathering the necessary equipment to start to reload .40 cal. ammo I'm at the point where I will soon be measuring my powder using the lee powder discs. Now when I weigh my charge on the scale and it reads something like 7.045 or 7.102 or whatever and it calls for just7.0 grains would the extra 10th or hundredth make a big deal? I know ideally 7.0 on the nose would be best because that is what it calls for but how accurate does it need to be and still be safe, I'm afraid if I am over just a bit I could harm myself or do I just need to worry about double charges? Thanks a bunch for all your help I am learning a lot on this forum with all the knowledge everyone has.

Zombie Apacalypse Monthly

blaisenguns — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 02:28:40 GMT

Hey guys. I recently was brought onboard to wright firearms reviews for the magazine/website "Zombie Apocalypse Monthly". Those of you who are interested in the subject may want to check it out. I also would not mind any constructive criticism. Here is the link:

http://zamonthly.org/2013/06/14/kimber-tle-rl-2-review/
http://zamonthly.org/

Thanks in advance!

FNH FNS9 Thoughs?

DavidMS — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 02:03:06 GMT

I am starting to think about buying a polymer framed, striker fired double stack pistol in 9mm Parabellum. I plan to use it as a range gun for target shooting.

I have done some research and narrowed it down to the S&W M&P9, Ruger SR9, and FNH FNS9.

I have found plenty of discussions on the SR9 and M&P9 but not much on the FNS9. I handled one in a gun store and liked it. It seems to point well and was solid. What have been your experiences with the FNS9?

Positive LEO encounter

Hk Dan — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 01:59:23 GMT

Yes, I was speeding. I was pulled over, and put my hands up on the steering wheel as the officer approached It was about 3 pm. After doing his thing he dropped off with my license and registration and noted my "HK" sticker in the back window of my truck.

"Do you carry?"
"Yes sir I do. I have a valid permit to carry. Right now it's on my right hip, what would you like me to do"
"Nothing--I saw your HK sticker--good guns And thank you for carrying. It makes my job easier and I appreciate your decision"
"Thank you sir!"
"Just a warning this time--keep the speed down please...:

I was stunned! He THANKED ME. I was expectin to et a GLOCK screwed into my ear, tasered, pepper sprayed, beaten with an ASP, and a heartfelt apology later. Nope! He was courteous, polite, and appreciative.