Bigkrackers
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And made in Japan?
Would you spend $900-$1200 on a new Win 94?
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Abel
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If I had that money and needed a 94, those new FN-made 94's are nice. I would.
Miami_JBT
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Miroku of Japan makes some very high class guns. I own a number of Miroku made Browning Auto 5 Shotguns and Browning Citori Over & Unders. These are 110% high class guns that equal or exceed my Belgium made Auto 5s.
The hunting market is shrinking. The days of thousands of high school kids skipping school to hunt deer is long gone. Yeah, we have hunting in the USA still but the numbers are shrinking. The majority of people do not buy firearms to hunt anymore. They're bought for self defense and sport shooting (target, plinking, idpa, etc...).
The Winchester 1894 has gone from the realm of everyday hunting rifle to collector class status. The common hunting rifles of my generation aren't lever actions. They're bolts and semi-autos.
I own two 1894s. Both are Rangers; one has a cross bolt safety and the other doesn't. They were bought new at Oshman's and Sport's Authority for under $500. I've hunted with them but that was more of a "I want to play with it". My hunting rig is a Remington 700 in .308 Winchester.... everyone that I hunt with runs a bolt gun. Everyone I see at the local ranges before hunting season are running bolt guns.
The lever action is dead as the main hunting rifle. The bolt will be on the way side also soon. With more and more GIs (I'm one of them) coming home. They want the rifle they carried. That's the AR-15.... hence the huge number of different companies cranking them out. The 1894.... not so much. I don't see people lining up at gun shops to buy 1894s.
Supply and Demand.... the demand has dropped thus the prices have risen because if FN is going to crank them out they don't want to do so at a loss. Also they will be produced in far lower numbers.
The hunting market is shrinking. The days of thousands of high school kids skipping school to hunt deer is long gone. Yeah, we have hunting in the USA still but the numbers are shrinking. The majority of people do not buy firearms to hunt anymore. They're bought for self defense and sport shooting (target, plinking, idpa, etc...).
The Winchester 1894 has gone from the realm of everyday hunting rifle to collector class status. The common hunting rifles of my generation aren't lever actions. They're bolts and semi-autos.
I own two 1894s. Both are Rangers; one has a cross bolt safety and the other doesn't. They were bought new at Oshman's and Sport's Authority for under $500. I've hunted with them but that was more of a "I want to play with it". My hunting rig is a Remington 700 in .308 Winchester.... everyone that I hunt with runs a bolt gun. Everyone I see at the local ranges before hunting season are running bolt guns.
The lever action is dead as the main hunting rifle. The bolt will be on the way side also soon. With more and more GIs (I'm one of them) coming home. They want the rifle they carried. That's the AR-15.... hence the huge number of different companies cranking them out. The 1894.... not so much. I don't see people lining up at gun shops to buy 1894s.
Supply and Demand.... the demand has dropped thus the prices have risen because if FN is going to crank them out they don't want to do so at a loss. Also they will be produced in far lower numbers.
30-30
No, but I would spend $450 or so on an absolutely pristine Marlin Sporting Rifle 30-30 with 24" barrel and half magazine. I just did. I've always liked the 30-30 and the Sporting Rifle strikes me as one the prettiest rifles ever made. Mine was made in 1951.
No, but I would spend $450 or so on an absolutely pristine Marlin Sporting Rifle 30-30 with 24" barrel and half magazine. I just did. I've always liked the 30-30 and the Sporting Rifle strikes me as one the prettiest rifles ever made. Mine was made in 1951.
Craigman
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No Thats way too much IMO.
on a side note:
You must live in a city not surrounded by wilderness or you are in an non hunting group of friends or something. I live in Michigan, and outside of the metro Detroit area, EVERY school system has the day of opener Rifle Deer season scheduled off from school. Statewide. I work for Ford and even WE have it off as a paid holiday.
Just sayin its not as far gone as you may think.
on a side note:
You must live in a city not surrounded by wilderness or you are in an non hunting group of friends or something. I live in Michigan, and outside of the metro Detroit area, EVERY school system has the day of opener Rifle Deer season scheduled off from school. Statewide. I work for Ford and even WE have it off as a paid holiday.
Just sayin its not as far gone as you may think.
FLRon
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I was in the market for my first lever rifle and I wanted something new. I was surprised to learn that the Marlins had a current spate of QC problems and the Winchesters were now being make in Japan by Miroku. Considering the fine reputation of Miroku, I decided that was the direction I was going with my purchase.
I received the rifle a couple of weeks ago. While I have not got a chance to use it yet, I can only speak to the beautiful fit and finish of this rifle. Considering I will keep her for the rest of my life, I did not mind paying a few hundred more for something beautiful out of the box.
If I decide to add an additional lever in .45-70, I would not hesitate to get an older Marlin.
I received the rifle a couple of weeks ago. While I have not got a chance to use it yet, I can only speak to the beautiful fit and finish of this rifle. Considering I will keep her for the rest of my life, I did not mind paying a few hundred more for something beautiful out of the box.
If I decide to add an additional lever in .45-70, I would not hesitate to get an older Marlin.
loadedround
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Absolutely not! However I just saw the price of my pre 64 Model 94 jump in value. Thanks Winchester or whoever you are now.
The Winchester Model 94 is dead. Just like the 1886 and the 1885 are dead. It had a good run of over 100 years, but when USRA went under in 2006 it was gone.
FN/Browning/Winchester has issued nostalgic, high quality and expensive replicas of the Model 94, just like it did with the 1886 and the 1885.
FN/Browning/Winchester has issued nostalgic, high quality and expensive replicas of the Model 94, just like it did with the 1886 and the 1885.
PreMod70
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I had chance a few months ago to buy a pre-64 eastern carbine like new for $600 and passed it up, I don't think I'll go for the new version either.
Miami_JBT
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I've lived in Miami, FL to places where the only traffic light is a blinking caution light in the entire county. I've had deer live in my front and backyard. Look at the national numbers. Sales of hunting permits, tags, and licenses are dropping like a rock.
Sales of hunting related firearms are dropping like a rock. The uptick in firearm sales isn't hunting guns. It's firearms that can be used for self defense. Concealable pistols and defense long guns like AR-15s, AK Series, and Riot style Shotguns.
I already have an 1894, but I have been drooling over the Mirokou 1886s and 1892s. I would certainly buy one of them and hope to one day, and hope they are still being made.
Very very very doubtful. I have NEVER seen anyone carrying an AR style gun while hunting in my area. They are all carrying shotguns, bolt actions or lever actions. Those people you see lining up at the gunstore to buy ARs, most of them are not going hunting with them, they are taking them to the range and using them for home defense. I personally haven't seen a single AR sale in my trips to the gun store. I've seen bolt action sales, I've seen M1A sales, I've seen a whole lot of handgun sales. I think you will find FAR MORE lever actions out in the deer hunting woods this fall and winter than you will ARs. There are plenty of reasons for that. You have places like Pennsylvania that don't allow huting with semi-auto guns. You have places like Illinois and Indiana that don't allow hunting with rifle cartridges, you have places like Virginia that require cartridges larger than .23 caliber (ARs that aren't 5.56 are usually more expensive and not exactly plentiful).
As for the GIs returning from war...after WWII, the GIs returned and bought surplus bolt actions, not M1 Garands. I think when bolt actions are no longer popular for hunting, that we won't be using cumbustible material to propel our projectiles...and probably won't be using cumbustilbe material to propel our cars either.
Very very very doubtful. I have NEVER seen anyone carrying an AR style gun while hunting in my area. They are all carrying shotguns, bolt actions or lever actions. Those people you see lining up at the gunstore to buy ARs, most of them are not going hunting with them, they are taking them to the range and using them for home defense. I personally haven't seen a single AR sale in my trips to the gun store. I've seen bolt action sales, I've seen M1A sales, I've seen a whole lot of handgun sales. I think you will find FAR MORE lever actions out in the deer hunting woods this fall and winter than you will ARs. There are plenty of reasons for that. You have places like Pennsylvania that don't allow huting with semi-auto guns. You have places like Illinois and Indiana that don't allow hunting with rifle cartridges, you have places like Virginia that require cartridges larger than .23 caliber (ARs that aren't 5.56 are usually more expensive and not exactly plentiful).
As for the GIs returning from war...after WWII, the GIs returned and bought surplus bolt actions, not M1 Garands. I think when bolt actions are no longer popular for hunting, that we won't be using cumbustible material to propel our projectiles...and probably won't be using cumbustilbe material to propel our cars either.
argyle1812
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how ironic an american classic made by the people who brought us pearl harbor
RX-178
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You could just as easily say that you're glad they're doing us the favor after we nuked them.
And it wouldn't be any less stupid a comment.
USAF_Vet
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Nope.
That seems like a very high price to me.
Smokey in PHX
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Many people say the 30-30 is dead. If that is true, why are the sales of 30-30 ammo always in the top five calibers sold each year for as long as they have kept records?
CraigC
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Absolutely, the Miroku guns are worth every nickel and better-made leverguns than have been produced in the US in a very long time.
This is silly beyond measure.
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