Two new Colorado Gun Bills Pass State House

What don't gun owners understand about more background checks?

Background checks = Registration = Confiscation.

Its not NRA propaganda. In 2011 only 64 people were actually investigated for lying on a background check and of those only 42 were prosecuted. THEY AREN'T DOING ANY GOOD. The gov doesn't have the manpower or the money to enforce it and it just costs us more in the long run to let them get away with it.

So after reading the article it looks like these bills did not pass a house vote, as they have not yet been voted on. Seems that they made it through a committee in the house, so now they will have to be voted on at some point.

yep, passed the Judiciary committee. on to the next committee or a floor vote then the senate side.

as for will they pass? the BG check is a done deal. you even support it....
(but good luck finding a FFL who will deal with the hassle of a transfer for $10. This will kill legal private sales.)

The OP illustrates why I've redefined my location.
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Two state legislators who took the time to reply to my emails pointed me toward these bills and urged that we not only continue emailing about our opposition to the new gun controls bills, but to also email in support of these.

Background checks = Registration = Confiscation.

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No it doesn't. Stop saying this. Background checks and registration are 2 entirely different things. I agree that registration does equal confiscation however.

THEY AREN'T DOING ANY GOOD. The gov doesn't have the manpower or the money to enforce it and it just costs us more in the long run to let them get away with it.

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I agree with you fully in this statement.

Background checks = Registration = Confiscation.

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Background checks do not equal registration, they do provide the information to create a data base of persons who have recently purchased a firearm. Registration does not equal confiscation, but does create a list of firearm owners. Could the information on this list be used to help with the confiscation of firearms, sadly yes.

The current Universal Background Check bills, both in Congress and various state legislatures, require that with few exceptions ALL FIREARMS TRANSFERS MUST BE MADE THROUGH AN FFL!

All firearms transfers made through an FFL must be logged in the dealer's "bound book," and a 4473 form be filled out by the dealer and buyer. The bound book contains information about both the seller and buyer, as well as particulars about the firearm(s). The FFL is required to keep both the bound book and 4473 forms for a period of 20 years. If they go out of business at an earlier date the records must be turned over to the BATF&E.

After Universal Background Checks and transfers must be done by an FFL, all that's necessary is a slight amendment to the law requiring that copies of the records be submitted to the BATF&E and the registration database will soon be up and running.

Be careful what you wish for, beause you might get it...

The OP illustrates why I've redefined my location.

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I would have suggested "colonarado"

I think you'll see from this over-the-top, politically correct (in their own minds) legislature:

1) Universal background checks. This will overload and crash an already way overloaded CBI background and firearm check system.

2) Mag capacity! The anti-2A's want ten rounds, pressure on Gov Hick and his lobbyists... fifteen. If Magpul gets their pressure on... perhaps there will be no mag capacity restriction. I kind of doubt this because this legislature is out for CCW permit holder's blood!

3) Reinstatement of banning CCW on college campuses. Pretty much a done deal.

4) Ten to twenty five dollar fee for firearm background checks... done deal! You can bet that the libs will siphon off monies from the buyer to other programs the libs want!

If the Colorado Legislature had their way... they would rescind all CCW permits in the state... the bastards are that crazy these days.

The expression "Tis a Privilege to Live in Colorado" ...

No more folks! The left wing whackos are out of their minds!

Forgive me, but...

How can a 'State' force 'Federally Licensed' people (FFL holding Gun Dealers) to do background checks?

they are using an existing federal licensing framework instead of creating a redundant state system.

The (proposed) law says nothing about a FFL being required to do the transfer, just that the individual buyer and seller must use a licensed FFL.

How can a 'State' force 'Federally Licensed' people (FFL holding Gun Dealers) to do background checks?

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No they can't, but the legislators in question that passed this don't know that.

On the other hand, the federal government cannot force state and local law enforcement agencies to make background checks. They tried and got slapped down by the Supreme Court, which is the reason NICS was formed in the first place.

They also can't force FFL's to do transfers. If they do they can charge any fee they choose to.

The 2014 election is going to be an interesting one.

Shudder if this should pass, but what are the details? I hate to even ask these questions...

Does the FFL transfer the weapon into their possession during the week(s) long background check delay? Do they record it into their bound book?

Where do they store said weapon, what if its damaged?

If the transfer is denied must they then run a check on the original seller before then turn the firearm back over?

Does the firearm even need to be present during the transaction? How does the FFL know the seller has the right serial number?

What a nightmare...

here it the bill text. the answers are in there (and pretty easy to find)
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/cl...02AFC2F87257A8E0073C303?Open&file=1229_01.pdf


specifically 18-12-112 (2) (b) on page 3
the FFL is required to treat it exactly the same as if it was a retail sale as far as record keeping. This would include logging in books. Since the gun is in the FFL books, it needs to go through a check before going to anyone, including back to the seller.

Ya know, I don't see anything in there about collecting sales tax. A retail transfer would involve tax though. I bet that was just an oversight though, it'll be fixed later.

They are up for second reading in the house tomorrow (vote). Last chance to contact state reps before it is off to the Senate.

I have my opinion on what will happen but with the actual fact so close I'll refrain from guesses.

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Hickenlooper announced he'd sign them.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...ickenlooper-says-he-is-ok-gun-magazine-limits

Remember that you will need a background check any time possesion of a gun changes, not just when you buy or sell a gun. So, if you and a friend are out shooting at tin cans somewhere and you trade guns for a few shots you need a background check. Or if you are over at your daughter's place and she asks you to clean her rifle possesion is transferred as soon as you pick it up and you need a background check. There are provisions in the bill for temporary transfers where title and ownership are not changed but these only apply at gun ranges, target matches, hunting camps, and the residence of the transferee who feels that they are in danger.

This bill does a lot more than insure that everyone who buys a gun has to have a background check. And the penalty if you are convicted is the loss of all firearms for two years as well as being put on the prohibited persons list.

In all honesty, I'm ok with stricter back ground checks.

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Prediction:
You will get your background check along with a magazine ban and probably an AWB.

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Prediction:
You will get your background check along with a magazine ban and probably an AWB.

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otherwise all that he deserves, it's just a shame fellow Colorado gun owners who don't believe the same will also suffer.

Colorado is getting exactly what it voted for.

My condolences to the people of Colorado.

Your politicians are turning your state into another California, New York, or Illinois.

In all honesty, I'm ok with stricter back ground checks.

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You like to leave a window or two on your home unlocked too... to give the more traditional criminals a fighting chance too?

The White Paper from the US Department of Justice, commenting on proposed gun laws, stated that for Universal Background Checks to work, there has to be gun registration.

The White Paper from the US Department of Justice, commenting on proposed gun laws, stated that for Universal Background Checks to work, there has to be gun registration

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Do you have a link to the above cited document?

All 4 of those bills passed on a voice vote. On Monday they will have a roll call vote where the Reps will have to stand and be counted yea or nay. If we do not get 5 rural Dems on our side it's a done deal. After that it is off to the Senate for a rubber stamp of approval, then to Gov. Chickenpoopers office for signature. After that, Colorado will be a much safer state for the criminal element to do business in. Not so much for law abiding citizens.

I would like to watch the votes online on Monday, but I have a colonoscopy scheduled at 11:30. I wonder which I will enjoy less?
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