Bersa Thunder .380 Jamming Issue

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Hi Gunners!

I have question. Have Firestorm .380 which has performed flawlessly since the first two mags went through it. Got a Thunder .380 for my GF. Have a persistent jam which I'll describe.

Pistol ejects a round and the following cartridge goes too high (nose up); slide slams back of case, jamming the case into the magazine feed lips. Need to pry the cartridge tip down off the slide hood to allow the magazine release so I can clear the jam. Got about 200 rounds through gun. Happens about once a magazine. Looks to my inexpert old eyes to be that something is causing the cartridge tip to leap higher than it should when the slide is running home. Anyone had this problem and/or got any solutions.

The only decent gunsmith I know is a state away and is so overworked that he groaned when someone brought a piece in to him last time I was in his shop. I'd like to fix it myself if possible.

Thanks,

AAW
 
Is the gun under warranty? If it is, don't mess with it. Send it in for correction. Thet should pay shipping both ways.
 
I had the same problem with my Bersa Thunder .380 (also had another problem where the hammer froze and wouldn't allow the gun to be fired or the slide to be retracted more than a quarter inch, but that's another story). I sent the gun back to the Bersa certified warranty repair center twice under their warranty program, and 3 months later STILL did not have a functioning gun. They basically replaced the entire top end and I still had problems.

When I got it back, I figured that it was the magazine (it was the only part that hadn't been replaced) but after spending so much time trying to fix it, I just decided to sell it with full disclosure to the buyer. I planned on using it as a carry gun, but after that many issues with it, I knew I would never trust it.

Try swapping out the mag. If it turns out to be that, its a relatively cheap fix. If not, at least you have another mag for your gun if you can get it working again.
 
Bersa Blues

First, I've got three mags which feed the Firestorm .380 (it's brother) flawlessly.

Second, It's probably still under some kind of warranty but I have little faith in repair stations (experience!).

Third, I can't believe there is a major flaw here. It's gotta' be a minor problem (wishful thinking?).

But, thank you all fellow gunners for the quick reply. I put a similar message on the Bersa Forum and have yet to get a response.

Al W
 
My dad has had a similar problem in his Bersa .380 for some time now. I ordered a new magazine but it didn't fix the problem entirely. So far at least 7 different bullet combinations have been used.
 
Friend had one that jammed nonstop with S&B. Perfect with anything else.
 
It does allway help to have a better class of FMJ ammo to try!! Then if problems still happen with all mags avalible to try its time to check mag lips and start adjusting. Might try tighting the width between the feed lips at the front on a mag and see if it works . Might only take a couple th's. We have to of bersa's 380CC model in the family and both seem to not care what ammo is used but also don't buy steel cased ammo. Or other brands that cause trouble for many people.
 
My dad has had a similar problem in his Bersa .380 for some time now. I ordered a new magazine but it didn't fix the problem entirely. So far at least 7 different bullet combinations have been used.
Hey,

We are experiencing similar probs. I am going to clean the mags and pistols and maybe buff the feed lips on the mags and try again. As I mentioned before, I have it's brother back east (I am now a snowbird in AZ) and it has performed perfectly after the first 50 rounds or so.

I'll keep you updated and you can do the same for me. The prob occurs on all three mags, two of which functioned flawlessly through the Firestorm (maybe it's not a brother but a close cousin).

FYI I love your saying about out of fuel, you must have been USAF or such.

Al W
 
I cleaned all my dad's mags but I couldn't get the problem to go away completely. At the rate he fires his gun it may never get fixed. He only shoots when I am home which is fairly infrequently.

Regarding my signature, it's actually a quote from the penguins in Madagascar 2. I am in aviation but not military and I fly a lot in the cockpit so I find the line very funny.
 
I know that the bersa is not as small as the p3at or the LCP but it is still subject to limp wristing. Just something to consider.


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mcdonl, I do not usually limp-wrist but I realize it's completely possible to do it with any pistol. The problem is that my jamming issues as well as several others apparently are not totally explained by limp-wristing. It seems to have more to do with the magazines than anything else (in my case).
 
I only mention it because small frames guns are just more susceptible in my opinion.



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The jam might be caused from the round not getting under the extractor and fitting flush with the breech face. Clean the breech face and extractor completely. Maybe a little lube at the extractor area will help too - work it a little to see if it loosens up.
 
You have a warrenty on pistol and mags . Use it The best Warranty center seems to be one in La.
Michael T,

La. Do you mean Los Angeles or Louisiana? And, please be more specific. My good friend Ray dealt with a center in L.A., CA and did not get his problem remedied. The Bersa chat site has yielded zero results. I've got a similar query there. THR seems like the numero uno.

Al W
 
The jam might be caused from the round not getting under the extractor and fitting flush with the breech face. Clean the breech face and extractor completely. Maybe a little lube at the extractor area will help too - work it a little to see if it loosens up.
Robert101,

By breech face, I assume you mean the feed ramp and the barrel throat. I checked that area out. It's not as smooth as it is on my Browning HP. It's also permanently mounted on the frame. I'd try polishing that area if I could get at and not change the geometry and maybe screw it up further. Any suggestions on how I can polish the area. I have Chinese "Dremel Tool". That's the only thing I can think of to use. I will clean the hell out of the extractor area but it already looks spic and span to me.

Al W
 
ZSNARK

Did you mention exactly what ammo you were shooting? Before the dremeling begins, I would like to see if changing the bullet type (round nose, flat nose, hollowpoint) or the stated velocity cures the problem. There are no mild 380 loads, they all have to be relatively hot to cycle a semiauto.
As a footnote, don't worry about limp wristing. I used to believe in it. It is one of the most persistent urban legends. Anticipating recoil and pulling your shooting hand is what occurs most of the time. Where I trained the instructors demonstated successful strings while holding the pistol between their fingers.
 
Ditch it and buy a Makarov.
I'd get her a FEG PA-63. It's lightweight and has a decent trigger once you replace the mainspring with a 13-pounder. It's a military surplus pistol, so it's very reliable, and accurate to boot. I researched all the commercial .380's and determined they all had frequent problems, and decided my best option was a milsurp.
 
I'd get her a FEG PA-63. It's lightweight and has a decent trigger once you replace the mainspring with a 13-pounder. It's a military surplus pistol, so it's very reliable, and accurate to boot. I researched all the commercial .380's and determined they all had frequent problems, and decided my best option was a milsurp.
No argument that they're nice, but I'm in love with the original - the authentic - Pistolet Makarova (Russian, Bulgarian, East German, or Chinese) in 9x18mm Makarov. I wouldn't trade any of my "Mak"s for any Bersa or Walther I've ever seen.
 
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