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1777 french pattern?

Discussion in 'Firearms Research' started by murdoc rose, Jun 19, 2013.

  1. murdoc rose

    murdoc rose Well-Known Member

    What is this?
  2. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    No, not a 1777 French pattern.
    They were flint-locks.

    Some were converted later to percussion, but that isn't one of them.

    It looks like a British, or perhaps Belgian crown proof-mark on the lock, but I can't make it out well enough to tell.

  3. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Well-Known Member

    I don't know if it is 1777 French, but it sure looks like a percussion conversion of somebody's flintlock musket.
  4. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    I agree it looks like a conversion.

    But the holes in the lock plate aren't there for the frizzen spring and frizzen for an 1777 lock.

    Looks to me like the whole lock was replaced with a percussion lock from something.

  5. murdoc rose

    murdoc rose Well-Known Member

    The 1777 is the only thing I could think of, but rc is right its not got the right holes for a conversion though the top looks like one. There is a crown mark but it looks like a combination of and h and a f with the back of the f being the second line in the h. There are other for lack of a better term proofs on the metal but thats about the only one that I could distinguish. The guns been cut down to brown bess size. I figure its only value is in decoration (what we bought it for at the shop) but would like to know what it might actually be.

    On the plus side it does seem functional and of 68 to 70 caliber.

    It does have a flat trigger like on french pattern as well as metal (not brass) finger groves behind the trigger guard.
  6. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

  7. murdoc rose

    murdoc rose Well-Known Member

    Its not as stylized as the Birmingham mark. Any other ideas? It doesn't match anything in the blue book proof section.
  8. Jim K

    Jim K Well-Known Member

  9. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    Might have a winner there!!

    It sure looks right!

  10. murdoc rose

    murdoc rose Well-Known Member

    That looks like our snake jim, I don't recall seeing the m1815 on the barrel tang but the lock is spot on. Thanks guys.

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