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1858 Pietta Remington Conversion Completed

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by chaoszen, Jul 22, 2008.

  1. chaoszen

    chaoszen member

    Here are some pics of the finished project on my 1858 Pietta Sheriff's model (5 1/2" barrel). The conversion was done by "Ravens Roost". Thanks to all who helped me figure this project out. It has the Kirst converter with side gate and the Richards-Mason cartridge ejector. It can still be changed back over to C&B in about a minute. The port in the recoil shield didn't absorb the deep bluing I was looking for and any suggestions to improve this would be appreciated. Thanks.:D

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    Last edited: Jul 22, 2008
  2. Shung

    Shung Well-Known Member

    I have to do the same quickly !!!
    but on a 7" barrel though !

    VERY nice job !
  3. Voodoochile

    Voodoochile Well-Known Member

    Very nice & congrats on a fine looking piece.
    I almost was going to ask you how did you get the pin out but I see you dove tailed the catch in place, very nifty.

    As far as Bluing goes, I would strip your piece totally & then clean it with dish detergent & hot water, then with your latex gloves on clean the area you want blued with 91% rubbing alcohol & let it air dry, then use the Birchwood Casey Cold Bluing Paste as dirrected & after maybe 2 sessions of bluing it that way should get the nice deep blue you want.

    One day I'll either get a R&D or a Kirst converter but i'm still not sure about getting it gated & with an ejector assembly but we shal see when the time & $$$ comes.
    My Sherifs model has becoms recently my favorite lil Remington copy too. :D
  4. sundance44s

    sundance44s Well-Known Member

  5. Shane1858

    Shane1858 Active Member

    Voodoo, I have the R&D (non-gated) on my 1858 Remm, and the Kirst (gated) on my 1851 US Marshal. I by far prefer the Kirst. Much easier to load/unload without having to take the cylinder out each time(even with the ease of removing a 1858 cylider).
    And you only have one firing pin to worry about, vs the six on the R&D.
    They are both good, but if I could go back = they'd both be Kirst Konverted.

    Until next time,

    Slán go foill.
  6. scrat

    scrat Well-Known Member

    looks good looks really good
  7. chaoszen

    chaoszen member


    The Uberti 1858 Remington Conversion that is available is $470.00. It does not come with the Conversion cylinder which is extra. It does have the port in the recoil shield and an included ejector rod. The conversion cylinder is not a Kirst, but a copy. When I asked Taylors who made the cylinder they do not know. They were not even sure if it had the side gate as pictured or not. It probably would still be a bit cheaper, but not that much considering the sketchy information. At least I know what I have. Plus it's an FFL purchase which adds to the hassel and the price.
  8. sundance44s

    sundance44s Well-Known Member

    Chaoszen ,,,You did ask for suggestions for improvement ..I guess I was misinformed by my friend that bought one from Taylors .I wasn`t trying to rain on your parade. I just saw where you said you had someone do the work and thought mabe you didn`t know they could be bought cheaper than built .
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  9. chaoszen

    chaoszen member


    No problemo. I had checked on the ready made conversions from Cimmarron and Uberti. And they looked like a great deal, but when you check further into them they get less so. Granted I may have saved a little money and I appreciate the info as I plan on buying another. So I have two. But I chose this route because money was not the main object.:cool:
  10. chaoszen

    chaoszen member


    Now I wish I could just find a holster that will fit the gun. I have bought two from Cabelas which are both too small and had to return them. The ejector assembly that makes the gun wider will not fit in holsters made for this gun. Cabelas advised me to go to Dixie Gun Works and call them. Plus I am left handed which limits selection. As with everything I buy. Just finally found a left handed Gibson SG guitar that I was looking for. It's tough bein a leftie!:banghead:
  11. mykeal

    mykeal Well-Known Member

    Holsters aren't actually all that authentic anyway. Most just carried stuck in belts or pants. With those that did wear holsters strong side butt forward, using a reversed hand draw was common, so using a right hand holster on your left side should be acceptable to the PC police.
  12. chaoszen

    chaoszen member


    Mykeal, I would have to use a left hand holster on the right side for crossdraw, right? Or am I confused. For cross draw you have to use a left handed holster on the right side if left handed or a right handed holster on the left side if right handed. I think thats how it works. In any case I need a left handed holster. Is everyone confused now. LOL.
  13. Omnivore

    Omnivore Well-Known Member

    Chaoszen; If you're right handed, and you want to draw with your right hand, you get a right handed holster whether you're wearing it on the left or on the right.

    The confusion comes from the civil war and earlier periods. In that case your sabor or sword was the "primary" weapon, so the pistol was drawn and fired using the weak hand. (a right handed person wore the sabor on the left and the pistol on the right - both cross draw). Your blade was worn cross draw to give you more room to draw it, so the pistol had to be worn on the opposite side.
  14. mykeal

    mykeal Well-Known Member

    Well, no, not necessarily. You are correct that the pistol was worn strong side butt forward to allow the saber to be carried on the weak side as it had to be cross drawn due to it's length.

    However, the pistol was not necessarily cross drawn by the weak hand. In the right handed case, they drew by turning their right hand around, palm outward, then turning the gun towards their abdomen to point it forward. Many pictures show this method of carry; we assume that the gun was cross-drawn, but that was often not the case.
  15. Jenrick

    Jenrick Well-Known Member

    A holster worn reverse draw/butt foward (especially with a horse pistol) was primarily used for mounted use. If you are mounted and fighting, your reins go in your weak hand and your weapon in your strong hand. Drawing a sword is a cross body draw when done at waist level. A pistol mounted in a normal draw on the strong side (especially with a horse pistol) is very difficult to get out of the holster. It's also uncomfortable as it does not sit well. A reverse draw on the other hand isn't lighting fast, but it works, and is much more comfortable.

  16. Tommygunn

    Tommygunn Well-Known Member

    I believe this to be basically true.

    A slight aside from precisely how handguns were drawn from a "butt-forward" holter:
    A number of years ago I read a biography of George Armstrong Custer. The book recounted an event during the first cavalry charge he led during the Civil War. Custer was apparantly quite infatuated with the sabre. As he was leading his men, he drew the cavalry sabre. At the time, it was common for soldiers to follow the commander's lead when choosing their weapon, so all his men then drew their sabres. Despite his affection for glinting sabres in the sunlight, Custer apparantly had a practical streak, too, and realized the revolver was a better weapon, so he replaced the sabre and drew his gun. His men necessarily followed suit. Then his romantic affections for glinting metal surfaced again and he holstered his pistol and drew his sabre ... again ... and of course, his men followed his lead. Then his practical side reasserted itself and ....well, you get the gist. I'm not sure the author knew exactly how many times the Boy General did this ... but I do recall that the final choice, as he encounted the greycoats, was his revolver.

    Now, lest anyone think this is what led to Custer's downfall against the Plains Indian Nation, sorry, no. The 7th left their sabres crated up at the Powder River Depot en route to the Little Bighorn. Oh, and those weren't friendly Indians...after all.:rolleyes:
  17. brianwhynot

    brianwhynot Member

    Tell Wild Bill Hickok how slow it was. ;)

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  18. bigbadgun

    bigbadgun Well-Known Member

    This is correct. Because if try to where a normal strong side holster as a cross draw the angle is gonna be a problem. The 20 - 30 degree cross is what makes it fast and effective.
    Does not matter the lenght of the brl. However the shorter the brl the faster the pull.
  19. sundance44s

    sundance44s Well-Known Member

    The reverse Draw carry like Hickok used works well from the back of a horse .
  20. chaoszen

    chaoszen member

    Thanks for the advice on the holster. I will get a left handed holster and wear it on the right side butt forward. That seems a very natural way to draw a pistol. With the added benefit should something go wrong, of not shooting oneself in the foot or worse. I think given that the cartridge ejector sticks out a bit like the ejector on a Colt Peacemaker maybe I should look at holsters made for that gun instead of holsters made for for the 1858 remmie.;)

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