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1911....do you agree with this guy??

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by saturno_v, Aug 11, 2012.

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  1. saturno_v

    saturno_v Senior Member

    Nov 7, 2007
    This video is creating a quite a lot of soul stirring on youtube....the guy claim a ton of real combat experience around the world and he is a professional firearm trainer....you can check his youtube channel and web site (www.tacticalresponse.com) with a lot of gun evaluation videos and tips.


    Do you agree with his conclusions?? Let's the fireworks begin!!! :D
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  2. 56hawk

    56hawk Participating Member

    Mar 29, 2011
    I agree with most of what he said about 1911s. Pretty sure I would disagree with him on Glocks though. And I think the grip angle is the one thing he got wrong about the 1911s.
  3. NWcityguy2

    NWcityguy2 Active Member

    Dec 24, 2010
    El Paso, TX
    It can get a bit stereotype heavy, particularly with the 1911 owners part. I think the best line of the video is "nobody give a **** if your 1911 works". Thats a golden nugget of truth right there. Either a gun works or it doesn't, and either way thats more important than the actual brand/model.

    Honestly though, and this can get forgotten about on internet forums, is I don't do what he does so I don't care what he thinks. I will continue shooting my 1911 and enjoying it.
  4. HKGuns

    HKGuns Senior Member

    Aug 29, 2004
    Bora Bora
    Military experience and time to film and post videos on YouTube do not necessarily equate to knowledge or wisdom. I have Military experience, so I can say that.
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  5. browningguy

    browningguy Senior Member

    Jul 21, 2004
    Houston, TX
    I think he's a Glock fanboy and doesn't like 1911's. I did look at his web page and the first photo that popped up had a guy shooting a pistol holding it sideways. As for his resume, he worked for a PMC, as did thousands of other people, and he was in a couple of different PD's.

    As for most of his take on 1911's, they have worked well for 100 years, lots of people with actual gunfighting experience like them. Most of the time when I see 1911's with problems it's because the manufacturer tried to "improve" something. I don't even own a 1911 though, I prefer BHP's and Springfield XD's.
  6. grendelbane

    grendelbane Active Member

    Jan 4, 2004
    If he was talking in general, he might have a point. But, we use specific examples of pistols, not generic examples.

    So if you have a good 1911, you have the best combat pistol ever made. If your 1911 is not good, you have a paperweight.

    If you have a good Glock, you have one of the best combat pistols ever made. If your Glock is not good, guess what? You have a paperweight.

    Now, if a Glock fit my hand, I would probably own one, but it doesn't.

    Read what Herbert W. McBride said about the 1911. I don't think much has changed since then. The Glock is another choice, and a good one, but not automatically better.
  7. Auto426

    Auto426 Member

    Jun 8, 2010
    Quite frankly after watching his video and looking at the responses he himself posted to the video, I wouldn't listen to a single word he says. He shows a complete and total lack of professionalism, and quite frankly doesn't seem to have a clue about what he is talking about. It's also quite ironic that he talks about 1911 owners having their egos invested in their guns, and then goes on to post videos with names like "All guns should be Glocks".
  8. EddieNFL

    EddieNFL member

    Nov 9, 2009
    Me too, so I'm right.
  9. flatlander937

    flatlander937 New Member

    Dec 8, 2011
    Dayton, Ohio
    I honestly agree with what he says, but think his generalizations are too vague. The fact is that most people modify their 1911s... and that's when there are problems. Or they buy something from a cheaper company and because "it's a 1911" means all of them suck.

    This is why I bought a Colt 1991 and have left it stock aside from sights.
  10. Girodin

    Girodin Mentor

    Mar 22, 2008
    I take it this is the Yeager "1911s suck" video, I didn't click the link. One thing that I thought was pretty stupid was when he made a comment to the effect that it doesn't matter if someones individual 1911 was reliable. That is just silly. Whether a particular gun is reliable or not is all that matters at the individual user level.

    In this and his other videos he comes across as a know it all arrogant prick. I much prefer the attitudes of other instructors.

    I think much of what he says has merit. However, he strikes me as an individual I wouldn't want to spend time around or train with. As to experience and opinions on 1911s I tend to agree with guys like Larry Vicker (who has way more real world experience than JY and has likely seen many many many more training rounds go down range) and Travis Haley. In general most people are better served by one of the polymer striker fired guns than a 1911. However, with the right gun and the right user a 1911 is a viable choice, as evidenced by the number of knowledgeable folks who really have to rely on their guns who still use them.

    At least Yeager has gotten him self to an acceptable level of fitness. His arrogance was even more annoying back when he was a fatso. Now he just needs to shave the trashy beard and lay off the Affliction-esque shirts.
  11. JERRY

    JERRY Senior Member

    Jun 5, 2003
    i dont care what gun he likes best but, what the hell is wrong with his right shoulder and what skate boarder dude did he take that shirt from? LOL.
  12. 2wheels

    2wheels Participating Member

    Mar 28, 2011
    Meh, I've seen this guy before and wasn't impressed. IIRC he's the guy who likes to run shooting drills with cameramen NEXT TO the targets. In general I hate his attitude and his shirts, and could care less about his fanboyish love of Glock and hatred of the 1911. If I'm going to listen to any firearms instructor, it ain't gonna be him. Clint Smith is a favorite of mine, and he wouldn't say that crap about the 1911.

    BTW, if you google "james yeager" one of the options that come up is "james yeager coward". Apparently there's some controversy over his time as a PMC in Iraq.
  13. Old Dog

    Old Dog Senior Member

    Aug 11, 2004
    somewhere on Puget Sound
    No, it hasn't created "quite a lot of soul stirring" -- this particular video's been around for at least the past six months. This guy, Yeager, is an assclown with an agenda. The best gun to have is the gun that you feel most comfortable with. If that happens to be a 1911, and not a Glock, oh well. (Disclaimer: I don't have a "ton" of combat experience, but I may have some, and yes, I am a "professional firearms trainer.")

    And yes, I DO have a problem with people that post articles or videos simply to start flame wars.
    Why not cut the crap dude, and stick to relevent issues?
  14. chrisf8657

    chrisf8657 Member

    Nov 25, 2006
    Phoenix, AZ
    Considering that the 1911 worked for 70+ years for our military, and those pistols needed to get out very fast for our troops there was generally no hand fitting involved... so when he says that the 1911 needs to be hand fitted for reliability (does for hollowpoints however) he's full of it

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  15. bds

    bds Elder

    Jan 10, 2010
    Northwest Coast
    I watched the linked video from start to finish twice and repeated different portions several times. Here are my observations and responses. BTW, I am a Glock fanboy who started out match shooting with a modified Norinco/Wilson Combat 1911/Sig 226 then liked XD and fell in love with M&P. I also serviced new/worn 1911 pistols for my unit when I was in the Army.

    Within seconds, he starts the video with the above comment. Well, this kinda puts a slant for the rest of the video ... :uhoh:

    That phrase is followed by:
    :eek: So much for anticipating a "fair and objective" review/comments from a "professional" trainer who supposedly trained 15,000 students who fired a combined 15 million rounds ... :(
    I am certainly not an expert on 1911s/Glocks like Mr. Yeager, but have shot several hundreds of thousands of rounds, particularly at USPSA match conditions, with various pistols including 1911s and Glocks (in 9mm, 40S&W and 45ACP calibers). After having made match condition observations the past 17 years, I would not make such definitive statements as Mr. Yeager as I have seen all makes and models of pistols experience failures and/or breakages, including Glocks and revolvers.

    Instead of saying "Out of the box Glock will work every time", I would prefer to say, "With proper cleaning, lubrication and maintenance, looser combat tolerance Glocks may provide more reliable operation than some other tighter tolerance target 1911s, especially when dirty."

    Well, various 1911s (with or without the flat mainspring housing) have pointed naturally for me (I point with my eyes closed and when I open my eyes, sights are always right on) along with Berettas, Sigs, CZs, HKs and even Taurus but I need to "torque" my grip for Glocks to point on target. Since I have shot a lot of Glocks, I have "assimilated" Glock grip angle but when I was trained to do point shooting in low light conditions, Glock grip angle definitely showed deviation from POA to POI whereas 1911s pointed more naturally "for me" for same POA to POI.

    Production line Sig 1911 TacPac I bought and production line RIA Tactical my friend bought last year both have over 5000+ rounds of various factory and reloads shot through them and I would consider them to be "good guns" that shot reliably and certainly more accurately than any Glock I have shot, including G21. Of course, this is only my opinion based on my experience. ;)

    This is partly true as my individual experience with a particular pistol may be different from someone else with a different pistol with different ammunition, usage condition, cleaning, lubrication, maintenance, etc. However, his statement immediately turned me off to his character and his position as a trainer. I certainly would not recommend anyone to his training class.

    So if hundreds of guys/gals posted "My Glock doesn't work" out of the box because they "limp wristed", he would not give a sh*t also? (That's been my experience with new shooters and I tell them about this inherent "issue" that's typical of Glock perfection) :neener: I wonder what he would say to a student who showed up with a Gen4 Glock with stiff recoil spring issue that failed to cycle the slide and experienced FTF/FTE with factory target ammunition? :rolleyes: Maybe he would tell them to stop shooting defective factory ammo and use quality/premium +P ammunition? :eek:

    And this disclaimer at the end is supposed to address all the improper/incorrect information he stated during his video? :barf:

    My take away from the video is that he may be trying to discourage 1911 owners from taking his training class because he may have to work extra/harder to deal with new shooters due to 1911 related issues (such as safety, etc.) compared to more simpler operation Glock with no external safety.
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  16. Snag

    Snag Member

    May 27, 2012
    I don't think he's lying or making stuff up just at random. Possibly exaggerating a bit though. Has definitely convinced at least himself that Glock's are super cool and 1911's suck. He seems awful proud of himself and his comments towards the end are damn arrogant.
  17. Drail

    Drail Senior Member

    Jan 17, 2008
    Unfortunately Youtube does not require an IQ test to post videos. He may be a very brave man and have lots of military experience but he's not a technical weapons expert. And he needs to stop stealing his little sister's shirts and wearing them on Youtube.
  18. smalls

    smalls Senior Member

    Feb 8, 2011
    Macomb County, MI
    I didn't watch the video (I'm at work), but think I got the jist of it reading the thread.

    A 1911 is a gun, and a Glock is a totally different style of gun. They both do the same thing, but have different pros and cons to each. Some like 1911's, some like Glocks. Some like both, and some like neither. As long as a gun functions properly, they are all the same, but how they feel to YOU is what matters. It's all how it shoots and feels for YOU.

    This whole Glock vs. 1911 crap is stupid. It's like arguing whether blondes ore brunettes are hotter.
  19. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Oct 22, 2007
    Central PA
    Yawn. Another 1911 vs. Glock thread. We've got that base covered.

    We also don't need to add our voices to the vast choruses who chant denigration and ridicule at that particular trainer/personality. We have plenty of trainers and schools/firms who we can and do recommend heartily. We really don't need to join the mob already casting stones at guys like this.
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