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1911 flgr or standard?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by markh, Dec 1, 2007.

  1. markh

    markh Active Member

    I am the proud owner of a new Colt Combat Commander. It came with a FLGR. Is there any advantage over this (or disadvantage) to a standard guide rod? I don't like having to search for a tool to disassemble it.
  2. fletcher

    fletcher Well-Known Member

    I don't think there is any advantage to having one. There's one in my Springfield and I don't particularly care for it - pain having to have a hex wrench just to take it off, and it always seems to work itself loose.
  3. Hoppy590

    Hoppy590 Well-Known Member

    there may not be a specific advantage toa FLGR unless you run a REDICULOUS heavy spring, but theres no disadvantage. im sure some one will come in and say JMB is rolling in hsi grave cause of this but common.
  4. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    FLGR adds a bit of muzzle weight that aids in reducing muzzle rise.
  5. vanilla_gorilla

    vanilla_gorilla Well-Known Member

    I'll gladly trade off the little bit of extra weight for the capability to disassemble the thing without tools.
  6. 10-Ring

    10-Ring Well-Known Member

    I prefer the standard plug over the FLGR
  7. AndyC

    AndyC Well-Known Member

    Gimmick - get rid of it.
  8. Bigkahunasix

    Bigkahunasix Member

    Played with them in a couple range/comp guns, saw no advantage and added disassembly issue. They are gone now.

  9. AZ_Rebel

    AZ_Rebel Well-Known Member

    First thing I chucked out of my PT1911... utterly useless "feature" that complicates field strip.
  10. Jeff F

    Jeff F Well-Known Member

    They also make it impossible to do a press check for loaded chamber.
  11. possum

    possum Well-Known Member

    1911 tuner, calling 1911 tunner chim in any time, he really shead alot of light on this opic for me a while back. i personally prefer the standard to the flgr.
  12. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

    Tuning in to hear and learn from tuner.

  13. XavierBreath

    XavierBreath Well-Known Member

    I prefer the GI set-up on most of my 1911s. If it's going to be a carry gun, a GI set-up is all I want or need.

    I do have a solid FLGR in a couple of my target 1911s. They came with the things, and I figure it doesn't make a difference on a target gun.

    The main reason I like the GI set-up is ease of field stripping. I would not keep one of those two piece hex key things in my pistol.
  14. hank327

    hank327 Well-Known Member

    Agreed. My stainless Lightweight Colt Commander came with a full length guide rod. As I was filling out the ATF paperwork to make the purchase, I had the gun store folks order a standard GI guide rod and plug for me. I installed them in the Colt as soon as I got the parts.
  15. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    I asked the same question a while back. The replies I got were mostly that in some models, in some cases, the FLGR adds balance and muzzle weight. Perhaps I'm a tasteless philistine, but I can't tell the difference.

    Some have said that IN THEORY, the guide rod prevents the spring from bunching and/or twisting. But I have never been able to find a case where this has actually happened.

    I frequently field strip, not just for maintenence, but also because I shoot a .22 conversion kit. Besides already having pock-marks in the ceiling from losing my grip on the plunger with the hole in the middle, there came a time when I was in my dad's pathfinder, using the lip on the front edge of a magazine to hold it in while I was making the switch, and I thought to myself: "I'm going to be in this car until midnight looking for this stupid part, aren't I?" I have recently decided to build a dedicated frame for the .22 anyway.

    Yes, it makes it easier to 'press check', but think about it, press checking is breaking the rules anyway, putting your thumb in the trigger guard. (I'll admit I still do it sometimes.)

    I was watching Tom Gresham's Personal Defense TV the other night, and Clint Smith was giving a class on running your gun with one hand. He walked through the process of reloading and clearing stoppages with one hand for rifle and pistol. If you have to charge a pistol with one hand, this pretty much means putting in a magazine, putting the front of the pistol on the edge of a hard surface, and pushing forward to force the slide back to charge it. If you have a pistol with no guide rod, you have to make sure the barrel is clear in the front to do this. If you are using, well, pretty much any other auto, you have to make sure the guide rod AND the barrel are clear in front before you push forward. It might be a small distinction, but if you are in a position where you have to do this, it probably means you are already wounded, and every detail you don't have to worry about helps.
  16. Hoppy590

    Hoppy590 Well-Known Member

    if you cant stip a FGLR pistol with out tools. you probibly need instructions.

    it can be done with a pennie, a magazine base, hell your finger nail.
  17. jhansman

    jhansman Well-Known Member

    Because SA is fond of using two-piece FLGR in their 5" 1911 (which, BTW, require a hex wrench to dissasemble!), I replaced it in my Loaded with a shorty rod, shock buffer, lighter recoil spring and SS plug. I may be hallucinating, but I think it shoots better now, and I don't have to worry about not having the wrench with me should I need to field strip the gun. There seems to be no evidence that a full-length rod does anything.
  18. 1911 guy

    1911 guy Well-Known Member

    What's the intended use?

    If this is a range or game gun, there's no real difference in function or reliability. Some like the weight, some hate the tool use to disassemble.

    If, however, this is a "social" gun, run a standard setup. FLGR is an abomination on a defensive handgun.
  19. joffe

    joffe Well-Known Member

    There's no point to it. It's a gimmick that perhaps 'looks cool' to those who are used to other autos, and only complicates the gun, adding more to the disassembly process, adding one more thing to break. It's a money-transfer device - it transfers money from the marketing victim to the seller, and that's the only real function it has.
  20. Thirties

    Thirties Well-Known Member

    I bought my first 1911, a used Colt S70. It came with a 2-piece full length stainless steel guide rod. I learned to field strip and reassemble, so that I can now do it easily.

    Then I bought a set of "GI style" plug/short rod/new spring to see how that would work. I must confess, I cannot deal with the field strip/reassembly on the "GI" set up nearly as easily or quickly as the 2-pc FLGR set up, even using the older recoil spring. It is a royal pain for me, I'm ashamed to say.

    So, I like the 2-pc full length guide rod better. The gun shoots/cycles just fine, and I tighten the rod pieces enough so they do not unscrew on me.

    I'm very willing to be talked out of it, or into the "GI" setup -- really. But I need some careful instructions, as I'm sick of shooting the plug into the dark corners of the garage.

    Maybe I'm just stupid, but I have not mastered the knack of reassembling the "GI" spring/plug setup. Oh, and the take-down isn't a pretty sight when I do it either.

    Does anyone want to talk me through it? Read this:


    Thanks in advance . . .


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