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1911 Types

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by russcoh, Oct 24, 2008.

  1. russcoh

    russcoh Well-Known Member

    Good evening,

    I hate to ask such question, after searching the internet I wasn't able to find a full answer. What are the differences between 1911 Officer, Command, and Government models?

  2. jerryrigger

    jerryrigger Well-Known Member

    the differences are mostly barrel length-gov is 5 inches, commander is 4.25 inches as a standard, though some companies fudge it and make models that are not "true" commanders with 4 inch barrels, and and officers model is a 3 inch barrel. an officers model also has a smaller frame, while gov and commander models run on the standard full size 1911 frame. im not sure about the commander forgeries from kimber etc. with 4 inch barrels-they may have a smaller frame as well, but a true commander runs on a full size 1911 frame, the same as the government model. hope this helps!
  3. Kind of Blued

    Kind of Blued Well-Known Member

    Government = 5" Barrel

    Commander - 4.25" Barrel

    Officer = Shortened grip/frame, 3-something inch barrel.

    Kimber uses a 3", 4", 5" system and calls them the Ultra, Pro, and Custom respectively.
  4. russcoh

    russcoh Well-Known Member

    I appreciate it, I figured it was the staggered barrel length, but like you said, Kimber has messed with frame sizing (as proven by my 4" Kimber Stainless Compact II with a shortened grip).
  5. owlhoot

    owlhoot Well-Known Member

    Jerryrigger, the Commander has a shorter slide frame than the full size 1911.
  6. Rob G

    Rob G Well-Known Member

    Actually Kimber has 4 sizes at the moment.
    Custom = Government
    Pro = Commander (4 inch barrel not 4.25)
    Compact = Commander barrel on officer frame
    Ultra = Officer
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2008
  7. russcoh

    russcoh Well-Known Member

    The second part to my question is this; what firing pin replacements would I use for each of these? I've called Kimber twice, each time they gave me a difference answer. One person there said they both use the same firing pin, the other said that's not the case.
  8. Tom Fury

    Tom Fury Well-Known Member

    Depends on what brand name you have; if we were talking Colt, all would use the same FP: I believe Springfield uses the one Colt uses for the .38 super/9mm and I know Caspian does. Others are beyond my expertise.
    I also believe the dust cover on a Commander is a bit shorter than on a GM, and the ejector is thinner and has a protruding "finger". Also just for the record, a GM barrel will not work properly in a Commander slide due to differences in the locking lugs (they can be modified; see EGW). Commander and Officer's model slides are drop on interchangeable.
    Cheers, TF
  9. BlindJustice

    BlindJustice Well-Known Member

    In the 1911, to use this monicker as a gemeric term:
    Colt owns the trademark for the
    "Goverment: Model - Civilian version of the 1911A1
    Full Size
    5" Bbl. & Slide - Full Height frame
    Semi-Compact ?
    Colt Also owns "Commander" Early 1950s
    4.25 Bbl. & Slide - Full Heithght - shortened dust cover
    as well as different lug/slide lockup
    Various Names but it's a Colt CCO
    "Commander Length Bbl. Len./Slide
    & Officers Model - Again Colt trademark
    The frame is shortened with the removal of
    .75 inches in length at the base
    I think the barrel only has one lug for lockup.

    Other manufacturers also offer 3" Bbl.d variatns.

    The Full size mags will/should work in Officers frames
    but of course stick out the bottom .

  10. Another1911Guy

    Another1911Guy New Member

    1911 differet grip sizes

    How man different variations in grip sizes for different 1911 models exist when considering only Government, Officer, and Commander? :confused:

    Do Government and Commander models use the same size grips generally while Officer's is the smallest (among the three of course)? I have been searchin' and searchin' and have found nothin' useful really...

    Thanks in advance!
  11. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    That's it. Two sizes fit all. (With the exception of the EMP now)

    Government/Commander - Fit 99% of the 4 to 5" barreled guns. There are a few 4 & 4 2/4" guns with the Officer sized grip.

    Officer - Fits all 3 and 3.5" guns. (Except EMP)

    Welcome to THR
  12. Another1911Guy

    Another1911Guy New Member

    This is perfect! Thanks for putting an end to my misery... this was driving me crazy!

    Thanks for the welcome. I have been reading the forum for a while now--even thought had a log-in but couldn't remember it for the life of me! Glad to be part of the THR.
  13. nerfsrule2

    nerfsrule2 Well-Known Member

    How would the Springfield Micro Compact fit into this discussion?? What category would you call this pistol..Re if it falls into the officers category I have a line on a new set of grips .. THX..
  14. Greg528iT

    Greg528iT Well-Known Member

    The Springfield Micro Compact has the short stack (shorter grip) and a 3" barrel. Should be close to the Officer.

    I currently have an order in (money down) on a Springfield Ultra Compact (loaded stainless).. short grip, 3.5" barrel (I thought 3" too short and 4" just not enough different from 5") OMG I can't wait for it to come in. :banghead::cuss: So much for cooling off period.. I'm getting madder the longer I wait.
  15. Greg528iT

    Greg528iT Well-Known Member

  16. Sniper X

    Sniper X Well-Known Member

    Here's something else to add to the confusion, I have all three sizs, well four sine I also have a CDP Ultra. and i have put my Kimber .22 conversion on the DW Bobtail, (Commander length), Colt Combat Commander, and my Kimber Tactical Custom II (Government size). And I was going to try it on the cDP but don't feel it will work but have yet to really look. It sure would look funny if it would fit the CDP Ultra II!
  17. nerfsrule2

    nerfsrule2 Well-Known Member

    Yes Greg I know the feeling.. I just picked up a Nearly new Springfield Long Slide Trophy Match...Had it on my list to buy for 3 years...
  18. NMGonzo

    NMGonzo Well-Known Member

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