.204 vs. 22-250 vs. 220 swift

[Jake1996]

And bud I don't read gun magazines as much as I wish I had a subscription to a couple I use other resources

 

[Kachok]

Yes most states do have a min cal law, but a 170gr 30-30 is legal in every state that allows rifles. .27 cal with 140gr bullets is the most strict elk rifle law that I know of.

 

[Jake1996]

Ok but isn't the best load for the 30-30 a 160 grain bullet

 

[Kachok]

The larger the game the heavier the bullet you need. 150s are great for small deer, 170s are for larger thicker bodied game. Heavier bullets for the caliber will penatrate deeper which you need on elk sized game.

 

[Harley Quinn]

45 grain, Barnes solids are good for rabbits, deer, yotes at 3500 fps which is not a barrel burner either...

No loading data specific for it in link, but you get the idea, it is about 10% less than listed, good starting point as most reloaders will tell you

http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=22-250&Weight=All&type=rifle&Order=Powder

Keeping the OP on topic

 

[PT1911]

223 match ammunition through a quality rifle being shot by someone knowledgeable in shooting will perform just as well or better than most any cartridge you can compare it too depending on the comparison... For Target duty, to a range of say, 300yds, you wont be able to tell the difference between 223 and 22-250/220 swift groups given calm conditions... The same can be said of varmint hunting... you will notice no difference... Now, stretch that range a bit and the others start to come into their own...

Personally, i have never stepped up my shooting to ranges beyond that and if i decided to I would want a heavier bullet for the better downrange performance.

There is more to comparing cartridges that comparing energies and trajectories. Simply because x cartridge has less drop at some stated range than cartridge y does not make it a better cartridge for every purpose.. By that logic, the only cartridge out there worth having would be the 50 bmg for the greatest combination of long range performance and energy delivered to the target, but then you have to toss in the 416 Barrett because it is flatter shooting... does that make it a better cartridge? some would say, but you cannot look at cartridges through blinders... recoil, range, weapon platform, ammunition cost, ammunition availability...etc

A 22lr will kill every squirrel within 75 yds, just because a 223 is flatter shooting and hits harder does that make it a better squirrel gun inside 100yds?

A 223 will punch bulls eyes and kill coyotes admirably out to 300 yds... there would be no measurable difference in its affect on a target or varmint (assuming a well placed shot) than it and a 22-250/308/30-06/7mm/or whatever else you want to insert here.. a hole is a hole and dead is dead.. know the limitations of your cartridge and the extent of your shooting and you wont be disappointed...

A .223 sucks as a 1000 yd gun, but it was never meant as such...

The point is, every cartridge has its limitations. It is understanding those limitations and your own as well as applying that understanding to your shooting that ultimately makes a well versed rifleman.

 

[rhino1957]

223 match ammunition through a quality rifle being shot by someone knowledgeable in shooting will perform just as well or better than most any cartridge you can compare it too depending on the comparison... For Target duty, to a range of say, 300yds, you wont be able to tell the difference between 223 and 22-250/220 swift groups given calm conditions... The same can be said of varmint hunting... you will notice no difference... Now, stretch that range a bit and the others start to come into their own...

Personally, i have never stepped up my shooting to ranges beyond that and if i decided to I would want a heavier bullet for the better downrange performance.

There is more to comparing cartridges that comparing energies and trajectories. Simply because x cartridge has less drop at some stated range than cartridge y does not make it a better cartridge for every purpose.. By that logic, the only cartridge out there worth having would be the 50 bmg for the greatest combination of long range performance and energy delivered to the target, but then you have to toss in the 416 Barrett because it is flatter shooting... does that make it a better cartridge? some would say, but you cannot look at cartridges through blinders... recoil, range, weapon platform, ammunition cost, ammunition availability...etc

A 22lr will kill every squirrel within 75 yds, just because a 223 is flatter shooting and hits harder does that make it a better squirrel gun inside 100yds?

A 223 will punch bulls eyes and kill coyotes admirably out to 300 yds... there would be no measurable difference in its affect on a target or varmint (assuming a well placed shot) than it and a 22-250/308/30-06/7mm/or whatever else you want to insert here.. a hole is a hole and dead is dead.. know the limitations of your cartridge and the extent of your shooting and you wont be disappointed...

A .223 sucks as a 1000 yd gun, but it was never meant as such...

The point is, every cartridge has its limitations. It is understanding those limitations and your own as well as applying that understanding to your shooting that ultimately makes a well versed rifleman.

thanks