.22 cal Anschutz or CZ 453 Varmint???? Please help

[askuznetsov]

Hi to all... I'm a new member on this site and would like to get some helpfull info. My dad not too long ago got a cz 452 lux, shoots very good but it doesnt have a feeling of beeing high quality. Now it's time for me to get my own .22 cal. I want something very accurate and high quality, I was looking at the anschutz (1712 and mp64) and the cz 453 varmint, but dont know which one to get.. any comments or imput would be helpfull.
Thanks
Andre

 

[armed85]

What about the CZ 452 makes you think it's low quality? I've got a 452 and I think it's high quality. The trigger is smooth, the stock is Walnut and looks great, the iron sights are easy to see and work well past 100 yards, and the sight radius is very long. It's a very easy gun to shoot accurately.

 

[woof]

For the relative price, seems to me all czs drip quality.

 

[askuznetsov]

the fact that he has only had it for less then 2 months and the stain/finish is already rubbing off on sharp edges... and the grain of wood on stock isnt all that good

 

[Shawnee]

First choice - Anschutz.

second choice - Anschutz

third choice - Anschutz

fourth choice - Anschutz

fifth choice - Anschutz

 

[seporith]

I would (have) go Anschutz. No excuses, trigger is so simple to adjust that a 7 year old could read the directions and adjust the sear & trigger, and the accuracy is as good as you can do and in my case the rifle is better than I am. A reason not to get an Anschutz; You will wind up with several! Anthony

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

1. Relative vs. absolute. Absolute scale, Anschutz better. Relative scale, quality for price, CZ probably better. So, get the Anschutz if you can afford it - it's better. Not complicated.

2. Having said that, the CZ is not low quality - to me, it exudes much quality - perhaps not as much as an Anchutz, but it's there. I'm a CZ nut, with multiple 452/453s (lessee, up to four now).

 

[retgarr]

There are about 750 reasons to get the cz over the anschutz. I've shot both brands. As far as the anschutz goes, I regularly shoot a 1913 on the 2213 stock. A purebred competition rifle. As far as the 452 series, I've shot an American. That said, there is not what I'd call a huge difference in quality. The anschutz has dings, scratches, and wear too. They are not made of indestrctium. Personally, I see a .22 sporter as something you can carry around and not worry too much about getting scratches. I love the anschutz, I am not an anschutz fanatic, I love the cz, I am a cz fanatic.

 

[viking499]

For the money, I don't think you can go wrong with the cz's. Everyone I have can shoot way better than me. If I had an Anschutz, it would shoot better than me too. The difference to me would be the money left in my pocket.....

 

[skinewmexico]

Funny, the thing I would be concerned with is not what the apparent quality feels like, but what the holes in the target look like. Guess I'm odd.

 

[NG VI]

CZ!! I also don't quite understand what you mean by low quality feel. Compared to what? They are great guns and you can't go wrong with them. You'll save money over an Anschutz.

 

[armed85]

skinewmexico, both rifles give very good accuracy out of the box. If you mount the rifle to a fancy mechanical rest and completely take the human element out of the equation, then sure, the ultra expensive rifle will be more accurate. Honestly though, who cares? Taking the human element out of rifle shooting is just silly. It's the rifleman that makes the shot, not some expensive fancy mechanical rest to go with some expensive fancy rifle. More than likely, the 452/453 will give you what you need to shoot as best as you can.

If you can out shoot a CZ 452/453, then someone else will be buying you a rifle and marketing their products through you.

As for the stock, if you want an eye appealing exotic stock, CZ sells more expensive rifles with exotic stocks. It rubbing off on sharp edges will happen to any stock including on a Anschutz. That is, if I'm understanding you correctly. What "sharp edges" are you referring to?

If you're looking for an accurate rifle with an eye appealing exotic stock, you can buy an after market stock for your CZ. You'll still save money this way.

If you want to buy an Anschutz, so you can say you own an Anschutz, go for it. But the majority of people here will save money and shoot their CZ 452/453 just as well, if not better, than you can shoot your Anschutz. When the rifle is on the rack, the CZ is eye appealing too

 

[Richard.Howe]

Having actually owned both -- and keeping both --

If money is an issue, go CZ, and you won't be giving up much.

If money isn't an issue, go with the Anschutz, and you won't be giving up anything.

Rich

 

[rangerruck]

First off, cz is not low quality. And it has a great set trigger, that being said, Anschutz is top of the line, above kimber, Cooper, Dakota or Montana rifles.

 

[Ghost Tracker]

CZ. (*Even though I own/shoot Anschutz & Vorquartsen .22 rifles)

 

[JohnBT]

A top-of-the-line Anschutz might be better than all those, but I wouldn't give up my Cooper, Finnfire, etc., etc., etc., for an entry-level Anschutz. No way.

John

 

[YodaVader]

My dad not too long ago got a cz 452 lux, shoots very good but it doesnt have a feeling of being high quality.

Picked up a CZ American this year and feel the quality is above average - that is fit/finish , function , smoothness of operation and accuracy - especially for a $339 rifle. The polish blue is pleasing to my eyes and the wood on this particular rifle is much nicer than I have seen on rifles costing hundreds more - including some of the Anschutz rifles I have seen.

Not knocking Anschutz - in fact some years ago I sold my CZ Lux 22 magnum with the intention of buying a Anschutz 64MPR in 22lr. The 22 mag was expensive to shoot and not a solid bench rifle. I fired a 64MPR and it was very stable off the bench and had an excellent out of the box trigger. But the price increase came in effect and then took off out of my reach!

About the only downside on the CZ is the trigger pull , which is no way in the Anschutz class out of the box. But it does not take much to achieve a superb trigger in the CZ.

I want something very accurate

My first CZ was bought in 2002 - a $189 452 Special , called the Trainer these days. I did not know much about them at the time. I was amazed to find this 452's accuracy rivaled that of a Sako Finnfire varmint I once owned! And that was a $675 rifle when I bought it.

 

[9mmepiphany]

i recently got both an Anschutz 1712 (childhood dream gun at <$1100) and a CZ American (how can you pass it up for <$300)

i believe me there really is a difference in feel...$700 difference, i don't know)

the Annie feels more like a full size rifle, has the palm swell, roll over cheekpiece, pistol grip accent, comp trigger (straight pull), much nicer checkering and a smoother operating bolt.

if you decide to go with the Annie, don't scrimp and get the 1500/64 action. go all the way with the 1700/54 action...it's soooo much nicer.

i wish Weatherby had gone with the 1700 action instead of the 1500, i guess they were trying to hold the price down...but the wood is sure pretty

 

[Danny Creasy]

9mmepiphany writes:

i recently got both an Anschutz 1712 (childhood dream gun at <$1100) and a CZ American (how can you pass it up for <$300)

i believe me there really is a difference in feel...$700 difference, i don't know)

the Annie feels more like a full size rifle, has the palm swell, roll over cheekpiece, pistol grip accent, comp trigger (straight pull), much nicer checkering and a smoother operating bolt.

if you decide to go with the Annie, don't scrimp and get the 1500/64 action. go all the way with the 1700/54 action...it's soooo much nicer.

i wish Weatherby had gone with the 1700 action instead of the 1500, i guess they were trying to hold the price down...but the wood is sure pretty
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Well said.

Here is my CZ American and Anschutz 1710. Both are keepers. I have had several shoot offs between them in the past few years. The American is indeed alot of bang for the buck.