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.22 Caliber rifle

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by JamesHarrison1212, Apr 7, 2013.

  1. Master Blaster

    Master Blaster Active Member

    You cannot go wrong with the CZ 452, 453 or 455 rifles, they are by far the best bang for the buck and the integrated dovetail in the top of the receiver makes it easy to securely mount a scope. If you go with one of the 452 models like the special or the full stock you will also get a very good set of open iron sights. I own many .22 rifles from the 10/22 to an Anschutz 54 Heavy Barrel match model. The CZ will shoot with any similar barrel weight rifles. The 10/22 is a great rifle, but you have to put $400 into a barrel, trigger, and stock to make it shoot as good as a CZ does out of the box. I know beacuse I own 4 10/22s all built into different configurations, one mostly stock, and 3 cz rifles all stock except for the trigger spring which I modded myself. I shoot .22 rifle every week and in some club competitions. The 10/22 is a fun rifle to shoot as well so maybe you need one of each, a CZ and a 10/22. For Coyote Hunting you may want to consider a CZ .17 HMR rifle, it will also shoot very well in 100 yard target competitions where it will outshoot a .22 magnum.
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2013
  2. Geno

    Geno Active Member

    My Savage Mark II ($169.00), with Leupold scope ($250ish) will place 10 shots touching at 25 yards, no problem at all. It also groups 10 shots into 2.5" at 100 yards, same set-up. I'm talking hunting ammo, not target ammo. 8^)

    I would never hunt coyote with it, regardless of accuracy. It has insufficient power.

  3. natman

    natman Active Member

    Because it has a heavy trigger and a sloppy chamber stock.

    I know it's fairly easy to correct these things (I have 5 custom 10/22s), but the OP clearly states "I would like a gun that is going to be great right out of the box.".

    That being the case, there are better choices than a 10/22.
  4. HB

    HB New Member

    CZ or Savage all the way. If you want to plink at cans the 10/22 is perfect but if you want to hit empty 9mm cases at 50 yards go with a bolt and a nice scope. Cans are huge unless you want to hit them at 200 yards :evil:

  5. bannockburn

    bannockburn Active Member

    In a .22 rifle my choices would be a CZ 452 or 455 in a bolt action, a Ruger 10/22 in a semi-auto.
  6. YZ

    YZ member

    Consider the Baikal 161M. It is a modified (and I think improved) 10/22 inside. Unlike the other 22s discussed, it is polymer unibody style, like the beretta cx4. Another distinction is that the LOP, the cheek rest, and the iron sights are all adjustable. Prices vary but generally mirror the 10/22.
  7. ford8nr

    ford8nr Member

    I keep reading threads about everyone's super accurate .22's Let's see more targets posted on the 2nd quarter .22 shoot thread. Only takes 5 shots ;)
  8. SleazyRider

    SleazyRider New Member

    To what do you attribute this accuracy? What, precisely, is missing in modern "fancy" rifles that make this 60-year rifle superior?
  9. Caliper_Mi

    Caliper_Mi New Member

    Let's see, a CZ452 is a $400 or so rifle (per Buds Gun Shop) 10/22's are around $200... Yeah, the CZ had better outshoot the Ruger out of the box. Either is a good choice, just pick if you want a semi or bolt action.

    Many people seem to like to replace everything Ruger in their 10/22 except the mag, but the 10/22 is a good rifle out of the box too. Only bad point out of the box is the sights they put on them. It's just not a setup that makes for an easy sight picture. Some sort of receiver mounted aperture sight (Tech Sights, Williams, Lyman) or a scope will fix that. A 10/22 with nothing more than a second mag, Tech Sights and a GI web sling will easily score Rifleman at an Appleseed if the shooter is up to it.

    BTW: since you say you are a newbie to guns, whatever rifle you choose you should seriously think about attending a Project Appleseed event. I am an Instructor and have seen our instruction time and again shrink down the group size of even experienced shooters. Starting fresh like you are, you will not have any bad habbits to un-learn either.
  10. mdauben

    mdauben New Member

    My personal opinions:
    • Bolt-Action - The CZ would be my first choice, with the Savage Model II a close second, especially if price is an issue.
    • Semi-Auto - Despite the widespread popularity of the 10/22, I would pick the Marlin Model 60 for out-of-the-box accuracy, with the 10/22 as second choice (unless you are looking for a 'project' gun, in which case the 10/22 is what you want).
    Unless you are looking at especially demanding roles for your rifle (competative benchrest shooting, extreme range hunting) any of these should work just fine.
  11. high country

    high country New Member

    If you are considering a 10/22, you should definitely also consider a marlin, either a model 60 or a 795. They are good right out of the box, and a great value. I picked up a 795 a few years ago, and it makes an excellent all around plinker/small game rifle (although I agree with everyone else, .22lr is insufficient to hunt coyote at any significant range).

    If you think you might do an appleseed event at some point, which you should, the 795 would be a better choice. Add a sling and some tech sights, pick up a few extra magazines and you will be in business. You could have the rifle, sling, sights, and a couple spare magazines for $250 if you shop for sales. You can mount a scope on it too if that is your preference. I have a model 60 with a little 4x rimfire scope on it and that thing is deadly on prairie dogs!

    Good luck with your purchase :)
  12. freewheeling

    freewheeling New Member

    The CZ512 is a semi-auto .22LR. Best of both worlds, or a suboptimal compromise? I dunno, but would love to have one to check it out.
  13. X-Rap

    X-Rap Active Member

    Of all my 22's the one that gets used the most is a 10/22 with 2 simple mods. It has a Butler Creek folding stock and a 2x7 Redfield scope. I have no trouble taking rock squirels out to 150 yds and it will ring the 3" dinger at 100 until the ammo is all gone.
    They are hard to find now but in the past and hopefully the future they were available for $125 used on a regular basis.
  14. StrutStopper

    StrutStopper Member

    If one of the primary uses of this gun is coyote hunting, I'd go with a .22WMR, not .22LR. Of course, you can get a CZ 455 with both barrels and swap them out accordingly.
  15. non2os13

    non2os13 New Member

    I have several 22's and the jack of all trade 22 that i almost always use is a marlin 981t. Tube feed bolt action that will shoot anything from cb shorts to cci stingers.
  16. Cee Zee

    Cee Zee member

    If you want accuracy the CZ is the far better choice of the two rifles you mentioned. I love my 453. Extremely well built, beautiful and very accurate right out of the box. The 10/22 is not that accurate out of the box. It's ok but it's nothing like a CZ.

    I sure know why he's heard that. It's because they aren't that accurate until they're modified. Once in a while you'll see one that shoots accurate out of the box or so people tell me. I've never seen one. I've seen them get embarrassed by Marlin 60's time after time and the Marlin's are a lot cheaper. BTW the Ruger is NOT the most popular rimfire rifle. It's not even close. Marlin sells twice as many 60's. They always have. The last count I saw was 12 million 60's sold to 5 million 10/22's sold. I believe that makes the Marlin the most popular .22 by a big margin.

    If you want a good semi-auto get a Marlin 60 unless you want to spend the money to upgrade the Ruger. If you do that the Ruger can be made to shoot much more accurate. But it won't be cheap to do. If you want a bolt action either get that CZ or a Savage. My Savage is actually more accurate than my CZ and it's had a lot less problems. But in the long run I think the CZ will be going a longer time.

    IMO the 453 is worth the extra money. The improved trigger is great. The thing is the 452 is no longer in production and the 453 will probably go out of production soon because they're going to make the single set trigger an option on the 455. I've heard mixed reports on that trigger. It's not as good as the 453 trigger but it doesn't cost as much either. I'd get a 453 if you can find one. Well in fact I "did" get a 453. I have a couple of Marlin 60's too. I don't own any Ruger 10/22's. I think other rifles are a better deal. Yes you can make a Ruger into a great rifle but it will cost you big bucks. I'd rather go ahead and buy a really good rifle based on the 10/22. It's cheaper that way and you don't end up tossing parts in the trash because you have better parts.
  17. CB900F

    CB900F Active Member


    I've got "several" .22 rimfire guns, of which there are a few CZ's and a few Ruger 10/22's. As a new gun, for doing what you stated, the CZ is a better match for your desires. Here's some basic differences amongst the CZ family. The 452 has a traditional barrel that's screwed into the action, just like most centerfire guns. The 453 is the same gun but with a single-set trigger. If the target shooting is most important to you, this would be a very useful feature. The 455's are built with a slip-in barrel, just like the Ruger 10/22. If, for some reason, the 452 trigger isn't what you want the extremely reasonable YoDave kit is available. I don't know what it sells for these days, but about $25.00 would be my guess. Go to Rimfire Central's CZ forum for all the latest & greatest data.

    As I stated, I've got 10/22's also of all sorts even one personally built by a certain person in Carroll Iowa. However, if you do your ammo testing, and that's something that's needed with every .22 regardless of make or model once the word accuracy is mentioned, the CZ will outshoot the Ruger as an out-of-the-box gun just about every single time.

  18. Cee Zee

    Cee Zee member

    The CZ will likely out shoot the Ruger no matter how much money you put into the Ruger too. Bolt action rifles are just more accurate. If accuracy is what you're looking for you will spend about $1000 trying to get the Ruger to match the CZ and most likely it never will. And the CZ is not the most accurate bolt action rifle going. We need to talk about Sako, Anschutz, and others. They cost a lot more too. :)
  19. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire New Member

    I want to handle one too. You seldom see them for sale. (Actually I have NEVER seen one.) They are made in both 22LR and 22WMR. I want a 22LR, but it is not at the top of my priorty list. But if I ran into one and it was priced "fair", I'd probably buy one tomorrow. It is hard to find "fair" right now.
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2013
  20. TexasPatriot.308

    TexasPatriot.308 New Member

    guess I am just a good shot still at 59. grew up shooting iron sight .22s and in the military using irons too. this little Sears and Roebuck still shoots water moccassins heads off at 30 plus yards with no problem.

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