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223 - Help explaining these pressure signs

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by dsmhero, Jul 19, 2014.

  1. dsmhero

    dsmhero Member

    This is my first load up of 223 but I am getting some odd pressure signs when I believe there shouldn't be.

    RRA LAR-15
    16" barrel
    Cheap 224 55grain fmj bullets I bought at a gunshow
    COAL - 2.235
    Accurate 2230
    6 1/2 primers
    Once shot mil brass

    So I did a load up of 22grains - 24grains by 0.5grain increments. Outside temp was 85F.

    At 23grains I had one pierced primer out of 10 rounds.

    Back row is 23.5 and front is 24 grains

    I was getting extractor marks at 23.5

    Here is the chrono data:
    22grains - Average 2686 fps with sd 70 fps
    22.5 grains - Average 2708 fps with sd 57 fps
    23 grains - Average 2760 fps with sd 41 fps
    23.5 grains - Average 2779 fps with sd 54 fps
    24 grains - Average 2872 fps with sd 44 fps

    Any idea on what is going on and if I am actually pushing this charge too far?
  2. dsmhero

    dsmhero Member

    Problem solved. 6 1/2 primers are NOT to be used with high pressure cartridges.
  3. solvability

    solvability Well-Known Member

    As you say:

    Remington does not recommend this primer for use in the 17 Remington, 222 Remington, 223 Remington, 204 Ruger, 17 Remington Fireball. Use the 7-1/2 Small Rifle Bench Rest primer in these cartridges.

    This 6-1/2 Small Rifle primer is primarily designed for use in the 22 Hornet.
  4. dsmhero

    dsmhero Member

    Yeah, unfortunately I bought these awhile ago when components were hard to find, long before I even started to reload for 223. I hate wasting $. Thanks again.
  5. billybob44

    billybob44 Well-Known Member

    Pistol loads...

    Not a waste at all..You are probably shooting/loading a pistol caliber that uses a small primer..

    I have used a LOT of Rem. 6 1/2's in .357, .40 S&W, and 9MM loads..Bill.:)
  6. dsmhero

    dsmhero Member

    Have you noticed that you had to change your load when switching to small rifle primer? I am loading for 9mm with 5.0grs of unique.
  7. HighExpert

    HighExpert Well-Known Member

    I have never had to change because of primers. If you were loading at absolute max you probably should back off .1gr.
  8. dsmhero

    dsmhero Member

    I don't believe I am anywhere close.

    COAL 1.160
    115gr RN
    5.0gr Unique
    Average 1060 fps
    SD: 26 fps
  9. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Well-Known Member

    I have no idea why Remington is still making their 6 1/2 primers. They are only rated for extremely low pressure rifle rounds like the 22 Hornet. I don't think they even burn as hot as a small pistol magnum primer. I have 400 I bought by accident years ago before I knew a Remington Small rifle primer couldn't really be used in rifle ammo!

    I don't think and change in powder charge is necessary when using the 6 1/2 primers in place of SPP as long as you aren't bumping right up against the high limits of the powder charge. In that case you should always drop back and work up even when changing one brand of SPP for another.
  10. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    The primer problem is easily fixed by switching to a better suited primer. What concerns me is where the extractor had such a hard time pulling the case out of the chamber.
  11. gahunter12

    gahunter12 Well-Known Member

    Looks like you have solved your primer issue. I just looked back at my notes from last year using AA2230. I really liked my results I got from AA2230. Looks like you are right in mark with my results. I also noted that I had a ejecter mark on a few of my case heads and pretty flat primers @ 24gr. I settled on 23gr of AA2230/ 55gr FMJ/ CCI #41 primers with Avg Velocity of 2780fps, Extreme Spread= 12fps, and Standard Dev=6.
  12. mstreddy

    mstreddy Well-Known Member

    OP, on loading the 6 1/2 primers in pistols. I too ended up with a bunch of them and have been using them in my pistol loads. 9, 40, and 38 special. I have had zero issues.
  13. vongh

    vongh Well-Known Member

    Did you shoot any steel laquered cases before you shot those reloads? I had the same problem with hard extracts and failure to extracts on a mini-14. I had to scrub the heck out of my chamber and switch to only brass. I have'nt had any problems since.
  14. spitballer

    spitballer Well-Known Member

    Possiblly the OAL of 2.235". Isn't it normal to load the 55gr FMJ's to around 2.260 or so? Are you crimping on the cannelure? Normally seating depth isn't a big deal unless you're running a max load, but I'm not familiar with the powder you've described.
  15. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Well-Known Member

    You do realize how very little the difference between those two, right? 25 thousandths of an inch when your COAL is well over 2" is not going to raise the pressures enough to pierce primers. 2 tenths of an inch might and I mean might but not 25/1000 of an inch.
  16. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    There is nothing to explain.

    Except he was using Remington 6 1/2 primers that the warning on every box says Not To Use in .223 and other high-pressure calibers.

  17. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Well-Known Member

    Ding Ding, that post rings the bell just like Post #2.
  18. spitballer

    spitballer Well-Known Member

    Right, normally not a big deal.

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