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Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by kingcheese, Sep 22, 2012.

  1. kingcheese

    kingcheese Well-Known Member

    Ok, so i have primed brass for 223, and i have Barnes vg 36g, but the only powder i got on hand is imr4227, and I'm wondering if i could make a useable round from my materials, I'm new to reloading so any information and warnings is appreciated.
  2. cfullgraf

    cfullgraf Well-Known Member

    IMR4227 is too fast a powder for normal 223 Remington loads. I would not recommend using it but I am sure someone has done so and has lived to tell about it.

    Check out Hodgdon's reloading guide at...


    They have lots of data for the Barnes 36 grain bullet.
  3. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Well-Known Member

    I agree, 4227 is way too fast a powder for the .223. You will generate excessively high pressures before you come close to acceptable velocities.

    Many of the medium burn rifle powders are acceptable. Try H335, TAC, 4895, Varget and many others in that burn rate range.
  4. helotaxi

    helotaxi Well-Known Member

    TAC is too slow for the .36gn VG. H322, Benchmark, AA2200 and AA2230/X-Terminator are the right range for that bullet. On the fast side for the .223 but still much slower than 4227.
  5. ralph2

    ralph2 Well-Known Member

    I agree 4227 is to fast for best velocities but I have used 2400 to get around 2500 fps with a 55gr bullet and 4227 is slower and with a 36 gr bullet I would suspect a load could we worked up in the 2800-3000 fps range
  6. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Well-Known Member

    Hodgdon's Load Data Site lists 12 powders for use the a 35gr bullet. I'm sure all 12 won't deliver the highest performance but I'm sure you will find a few that will. The 3 Hodgdon powders I mentioned above are included. BTW, Ramshot lists TAC with a 34gr bullet in the .223...
  7. KansasSasquatch

    KansasSasquatch Well-Known Member

    Off the top of my head, I believe H4198 (very similiar if not identical burn rate ti IMR4198) is the fastest burning powder that Hodgdon publishes data for .223. But there is data for Reloder 7 which is faster. There probably is data out there for 4227 but you will probably have to do some digging to find it.
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2012
  8. kingcheese

    kingcheese Well-Known Member

    Barnes website has data for benchmark and tac, but i haven't found those powders anywhere
  9. jwrowland77

    jwrowland77 Well-Known Member

    I use H4895 and H335. Love them both.
  10. j1

    j1 Well-Known Member

    My last load was of IMR 4198 and 52 grain Sierra target bullets it shoots one hole groups. I do not remember the velocity. To me accurate is good velocity comes next.
  11. KansasSasquatch

    KansasSasquatch Well-Known Member

    kingcheese if you are going to buy another powder specifically for .223 I suggest Varget or CFE223. Good velocity, good metering, great accuracy, not very temperature sensitive, and pretty versatile for other cartridges as well.
  12. Ky Larry

    Ky Larry Well-Known Member

    My goto powder for .223 Rem is AA-2460.
  13. kingcheese

    kingcheese Well-Known Member

    Well, i got 4227 because i use it in 7.62x54r loads and 7.62x38r nagant loads, I'm wanting specifically to load 36grain vg and 40grain v-max, so given that, what would be the best powder to use for both? U did find a link on imr using 4227 with a 45grain sierra spitzer using a 17.5g charge, so given that can i use that information to make a new load
  14. hentown

    hentown Well-Known Member

    Must be shooting something with a barrel twist of about 1-in-15?? :evil:
  15. helotaxi

    helotaxi Well-Known Member

    ??? I've shot those bullets (they're long for a 36gn because of the copper/tin core) from a 1:7 with no problem and just as accurate as any other bullet.
  16. Haxby

    Haxby Well-Known Member

    Du Pont Handloader's Guide 1975-76 listed
    223 Remington 45 gr spitzer IMR 4227 17.5 gr 3085 fps 51400 cup

    Hodgdon #26 lists 17.0 gr H4427 with a 40 gr bulluet.
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2012
  17. hentown

    hentown Well-Known Member

    I didn't literally mean that I thought that he had a 1/15 barrel! ;)
  18. kingcheese

    kingcheese Well-Known Member

    Its a Rossi single shot, 23inch barrel, 1:12 rifle rate, so will that make a difference in what powder i should use?
  19. kingcheese

    kingcheese Well-Known Member

    And what's the difference between imr4227 and h4227?
  20. helotaxi

    helotaxi Well-Known Member

    No difference.

    The difference between the two powders is that they are different. Similar burn rate but different enough that the load data is not interchangeable.

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