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257 weatherby or 30-06

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by icon308win, Dec 2, 2012.

  1. icon308win

    icon308win Well-Known Member

    im going to trade rifles im getting a rem 700 cdl-sf I had a prior oneI live in NC mostly allI will ever do is shoot andmaybe a coyote.I doubt will ever get to hunt elk. Would you go 257 weatherby or 30-06
  2. Dthunter

    Dthunter Well-Known Member

    go with the 3006, hands down.

    It is far cheaper to shoot, more than effective for elk.

    If he rifle is cheaper to shoot, you will likely shoot it much more.

    257Weatherby is a great caliber, but it is expensive to shoot. if you buy this caliber, be sure to ONLY use premium bullet styles, such as Accubonds,Partitions,Barnes X, etc for hunting.

    Good luck with your choice.
  3. icon308win

    icon308win Well-Known Member

    the reason was thinking 257 was already have some brass and some ammo
  4. jmr40

    jmr40 Well-Known Member

    I like the 30-06 better, but if you handload it wouldn't really matter much. If you like the 257 it will certainly work
  5. Savage99

    Savage99 Well-Known Member

    There are much better designed rifles than the entry level old 700's.

    Also the 257 Weatherby is an odd old cartridge that never caught on.

    The 30-06 is the standard of the world. Can't go wrong with it.

    However if you have chucks to hunt there in the summer I need to know what other guns you have.

    Those two rounds are not the only ones.

  6. The_Armed_Therapist

    The_Armed_Therapist Well-Known Member

    I LOVE the .257 Weatherby for long-range target shooting. It has no real advantage for anything practical. If your pockets are deep, it could be a lot of fun and take care of coyotes or deer easily. If they're not deep, or you're naturally frugal, it really makes little sense to go that route. The .30-06 is wonderfully diverse, cheap, and is negligible in "accuracy" at the practical distances that most are capable of shooting.
  7. sirgilligan

    sirgilligan Well-Known Member

    My brother and me were just discussing these two cartridges/calibers. We both have .30-06 as our first choice. The 06 is so versatile. If you are only going to have one center fire rifle the 06 is a sound choice.

    In my reloading books I look up the cartridges.

    .257 has loads for 110 grain bullets from 2800 to 3300 fps, with bullets having a ballistic coefficient (BC) of .39

    the .30-06 has loads for 110 grain bullets from 2900 to 3400 fps, with BC of .25 and .29

    Since I have actually wrote the code for the ballistics calculator in Gun Log, let me illustrate the significance of the BC.

    .257 Weather Mag
    300 Yard Zero, MV 3000 fps
    400 yards, -11.3 inches, Velocity 2091
    500 yards, -30.5 inches, Velocity 1891

    300 Yard Zero, MV 3000 fps
    400 yards, -14.9 inches, Velocity 1664
    500 yards, -42.5 inches, Velocity 1411

    Notice how the BC really effects the values the further the bullet travels.
    Now, don't take it that the 06 at 500 yards is something under powered, it is just in this example that a 110 grain bullet in .308 caliber is not "shaped as good" as the .257.

    The BC on the 120 grain .257 is the same as the 110 grain, so the values above wouldn't change, only the energy (which I didn't calculate).

    Now take the .30-06 and let's pick a bullet that has a good BC. Hmm, the 150 grain A-MAX has a BC of .435. It doesn't show a load up to 3000 fps, but one for 2950.

    Let's look at that:
    300 Yard Zero, MV 2950 fps
    400 yards, -11.1 inches, Velocity 2089
    500 yards, -29.9 inches, Velocity 1953

    Let's put those side by side:

    .257 Weather Mag                           .30-06
    300 Yard Zero, MV 3000 fps             300 Yard Zero, MV 2950 fps
    400 yards, -11.3 inches, V 2091       400 yards, -11.1 inches, V 2089
    500 yards, -30.5 inches, V 1891       500 yards, -29.9 inches, V 1953
    This shows that the lowly .30-06 is an amazing cartridge. It isn't the hollywood starlet of cartridges, it is the leading man. ;-)

    I have a .30-06. I would like to have a .257 Weatherby Magnum just because it is what it is.
  8. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    I've loaded the '06 with 00 Buck as a squirrel load, with 5 grains of pistol powder. 80-grain bullets for near 4,000 ft/sec zappers for jackrabbits. The standard varmint bullet is a 110-grain at around 3,400 ft/sec (factory). For deer, either a 150- or 165-grain, although I prefer the 150. Elk? I'd likely go with a 180.

    My old Weatherby Mark V, with its 26" barrel, was reliably a sub-MOA shooter. 0.8 at 500 yards. Three-shot groups of 0.4 to 0.5 MOA at 100 yards.
  9. Lloyd Smale

    Lloyd Smale Well-Known Member

    only problem with that comparison is that it takes handloading to get a 06 to 3000 and the 257 is idleing at 3000 fps. Add 300 fps to the 257 then compare them. that said i own both and like them both but if i could only have one rifle to hunt everything with it would be an o6.
  10. lefteyedom

    lefteyedom Well-Known Member

    Get the 257 Weatherby if you reload. It is truly a coyote to elk rifle.

    Out here in the Wyoming the 257 Weatherby is a popular round.

    Of course you could get a 25/06 and save some money on brass...

    No offense to the O.P., but after 106 years with 06 is pretty much a known idem.

    Why do people always ask, should I get rifle X or a 30/06 ?

    If you want rifle X buy it, if you find you don't like it sell and get a 30-06

    There will always be a 30/06 for sell at Walmart.

    Both the 30/06 and the 257 Weatherby are fine cartridge.

    They are just two different approaches to how to put energy on a target.
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2012
  11. RainDodger

    RainDodger Well-Known Member

    If I had to have one - the .30-'06. I regret to this day, selling my .257 Weatherby Mark V however. Wonderful cartridge and a joy to shoot. Very expensive even if you reload. If you don't reaload, it's crazy to shoot the .257 if you own a .30-'06. I cannot believe how much they soak you for a box of .257 cartridges!

    Reloading the .257 is a bit more intense than loading for the .30-'06 as well, in that it's a belted magnum. Not that it's harder, but you need to think it through.

    I love the .257 but simply won't pay that much to shoot a rifle.
  12. dvdcrr

    dvdcrr member

    How can the 06 have a 100 fps advantage with the same bullet weight when its usable case capacity is roughly 8 grains less? those must be some hot 06 loads. Or some mild 257 loads or both
  13. dvdcrr

    dvdcrr member

    for my situation I am a low volume shooter so the cost of ammo doesn't bother me much as long as I have a couple boxes on the shelf. I like the new factory loadings for 257 from Barnes. Real flat shooting and won't fragment due to speed up close. I have shot deer with 257 at long and close range. Great for long range shots, but for up close if you are going to take a body shot you better have the right bullet.
  14. Gtscotty

    Gtscotty Well-Known Member

    The same way 338-06 can have a velocity advantage over 30-06 with 180 gr bullets. The same pressure acting on a larger bore area = a larger force on the bullet.
  15. sirgilligan

    sirgilligan Well-Known Member

    No it does not.

    I have been using Hornady's Superformance in my BAR, MV of 3080.



  16. sirgilligan

    sirgilligan Well-Known Member

    After the bullet leaves the muzzle the things that matters most is the Ballistic Coefficient of the bullet. Notice I picked a .30-06 bullet with an outstanding BC.
  17. oldpapps

    oldpapps Well-Known Member

    "mostly all I will ever do is shoot and maybe a coyote. I doubt will ever get to hunt elk."


    Is this your only rifle? Or a trade toy?
    Per your post, at this time you are not planning on shooting very much. If that is true, the 257 would be cheap enough to use. If you start using it, plan on reloading for it.

    Weatherbys are neat, even when chambered in hard to get/expensive rounds. Neat to have may not equate to usefulness.

    For day to day use, I would go with an '06. But then, I would have to check the condition of both before making up my mind. Very difficult to go wrong with a good '06.
  18. sage5907

    sage5907 Well-Known Member

    If you just have to have a 25 caliber the 25-06 is a much better choice. I once owned a 270 Weatherby and didn't like the cartridge at all, and I quickly found out that a standard 270 Winchester was much better. My favorite hunting cartridge is a 30-06 and I would buy a 30-06 without further thought. Shooter
  19. bpl

    bpl Well-Known Member

    Everybody should have a 30-06. Or maybe a 308. They're just so versatile. It should really be a law. Maybe we need a new constitutional amendment.

    If you already have a 30-06 or a 308, then maybe consider a 257 Weatherby.
  20. icon308win

    icon308win Well-Known Member

    about to go 30-06 cheaper bigger variety of loads plus where hunt kinda thick

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