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30-06 trajectory, Accurate distance etc for say competition accuracy

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Team Roper, Apr 28, 2009.

  1. Team Roper

    Team Roper Active Member

    Just bought another 30-06, got to thinking I have never really shot this caliber for anything long distance. Have always bought 30-06 for its versatility and I know there are great long distance rounds that competition shooters would use

    But how does the 30-06 stand up.

    and a tag question would be what would be a good/great scope for such shooting.
    I may like to get into this competition shooting
  2. PurdueRifleman2008

    PurdueRifleman2008 Well-Known Member

    If I remember "Marine Sniper" correctly, Carlos Hathock used his .30-06 M70 in Vietnam out to about 1200m. But it has been a few years since I read it so I could be misremembering.
  3. P.B.Walsh

    P.B.Walsh Well-Known Member

    Good versatility, but (correct me if I'm wrong), but hasent the .308 beaten the 30-06 in BR competitions, and I love the 30-06, my second favorite .30 cartridges.
  4. jpwilly

    jpwilly Well-Known Member

    Here's my take. 30-06 it's an excellent long range round for handloaders and well built rifles. A couple hundred extra FPS for example over 308 in 26" bbls. Shooting the heavy 175 & 190gr pills. The extra case capacity can be quite handy in a stout modern rifle.
  5. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Well-Known Member

    There was a long thread on that here recently.
    One poster said the .308 is decisively more accurate than the .30-06 when of equal quality.
    The .308 is more developed and emphasized for target shooting because it is still a service cartridge. It is allowed in more events and even required for some.

    Kind of depends what you mean by "this competition shooting."

    I have a .308 for F-T/R shooting (bipod, scope, .308 or .223 required.) My .30-06 is pretty much retired.
  6. USSR

    USSR Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, the only great long distance rounds for the .30-06 are made by handloaders. With somewhere between 60.0gr and 61.0gr of RL22, you will reach 2900fps with a 190SMK (.533 BC) in a long barrel, which will require only 30MOA from a 100 yard zero to reach 1000 yards. I have a Leupold 6.5-20X50LR M1 scope on my rifle, and am quite pleased with it. Anything more than 20 power is too much for LR shooting in this part of the country due to mirage. Hope that helps.


  7. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    We used the 30-06 for 1,000 yard NRA competition before somebody told us it wouldn't work.

    Lots of records set with it between WWI and Vietnam.

    About then, the M-14 / .308 took over for Service Rifle, and the bolt-guns soon followed.

  8. Big_E

    Big_E Well-Known Member

    From what I believe .30-06 and .308 are ballistic twins. Handloads will always be more accurate, but the concerns are the heavier recoil and it is in a long action (if that really matters...)
  9. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    If they were ballistic twins, the recoil would be the same.

    The 30-06 will launch heavier match or hunting bullets faster then the .308.

    In fact, it has about a 100 - 200 FPS edge across the board with any bullet weight.

  10. homers

    homers Well-Known Member

    For most uses, 308 and 30-06 are close enough that anybody won't notice a difference. That being said, the 30-06, with it's larger case, can shoot heavier bullets or can push same weight bullets faster than a 308. Whether or not the paper target or deer will notice the 100-200fps (an more energy) is up to somebody else to debate.
  11. Redneck with a 40

    Redneck with a 40 Well-Known Member

    The target or the animal will never know the difference

    I'm looking at the Remington factory ammo catalog as I type, lets compare the .308 and 30-06 at 400 yards, for drop, energy, and velocity.:D

    165 grain Remington Accutip Boat-tail in 30-06
    B.C = .447
    Energy at 400 yards = 1523 ft lbs
    Velocity at 400 yards = 2039 fps
    Drop at 400 yards = 22.8 inches

    165 grain Remington Accutip Boat-tail in .308
    B.C = .447
    Energy at 400 yards = 1401 ft lbs
    Velocity at 400 yards = 1956 fps
    Drop at 400 yards = 24.8 inches

    Based on what I'm seeing here, the difference amounts to piddle dink diddly squat.:D I'll take the .308, its very close, even at 400 yards, which speaks to its efficiency.
  12. USSR

    USSR Well-Known Member

    The OP mentions long range competition several times. Long range begins at 800 yards and extends to 1000 yards.

  13. Redneck with a 40

    Redneck with a 40 Well-Known Member

    If I'm going for a 1000 yard gun, the 30-06 gets bypassed for the 300 winchester magnum, out of a 26 inch barrel, kicks the 30-06's ass all day long.:p:D
  14. pdd614

    pdd614 Well-Known Member

    that 300 win mag also kicks our ass all day long. not much fun in my opinion.
  15. Redneck with a 40

    Redneck with a 40 Well-Known Member

    lol ppd, wear a recoil pad.:p
  16. Big_E

    Big_E Well-Known Member

    What I meant was that their trajectories are similar the .30-06 having (barely) flatter trajectory. .30-06 is only better than .308 because it can shoot heavier bullets, I got a .30-06 for hunting purposes and because ammo is everywhere. I will get a .308, and a .260, and .243 and so on so on....;)

    But to answer the TC's ?, yes the .30-06 is able to shoot long distances, but you are much better off with a 6.5mm cartridge (less recoil, .260 easily formed from .308 brass, excellent trajectory, etc.)
  17. pdd614

    pdd614 Well-Known Member

    nah redneck. i will stick with my 6.5. to each his own.
  18. ghoster

    ghoster Well-Known Member

    o yea well my 338 can kick your 300's butt.--- puttem up, puttem up:D

    dont realy have a 338 but do have a 06 and and hit a whisle pig at around 500 yd once. very satisfing shot and devestating round.:evil:
  19. USSR

    USSR Well-Known Member

    ppd614 brings up a good point. Recoil does have a cumulative effect when shooting in competition. Most long range competition is conducted from the prone position, which places the butt pad near or on the collar bone. There ain't a whole lot of "meat" in that part of the shoulder, and regardless of the recoil pad used, recoil during a long match does take it's toil on you. Even though my .30-06 tactical rifle weighs 16+ lbs., it's recoil is substantially more than my 6.5x55 match rifle (which shoots flatter than the '06). Guess which rifle I tend to use more?;)

  20. akodo

    akodo Well-Known Member

    here's what i have garnered.

    If the 308 is chosen, it is because it is the 'military standard' like the 30-06 is.

    If for some reason you aren't going with the military standard 308 aka 7.62x51mm, you'd choose something a lot different than the 30-06 anyways. You'd go with the 6.5x55 swede for light shooting and great BC, or 300 winmag for it's great performance if you can handle brutal recoil time and time again

    I think for competition shooting, 308 vs 30-06 is VHS vs Betamax. 30-06 might be a tad bit better, but VHS is a ton more common so it wins.

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