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3006 or 7mm

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by appalachian hunter, Jun 20, 2013.

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  1. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    My bud has a BAR in .300 win mag. For the recoil shy, this gun is a gas gun and it's heavy as hell. It kicks less than my .308. The 7 would even be easier on the shoulder. And, the thing is MOA accurate with the right load. He also has a BLR in .308, shorter action version than the ones offered in 7 mag and a REAL handy gun. I like that thing a lot, too. :D
  2. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Well-Known Member

    The choice is relatively simple for me between the two. 270 Win.... okay, back to the topic. For typical Appalachain deer and bear hunting, I'd go 30-06. If you have aspirations of hunting mule deer or perhaps elk out west, then I would go with the 7mm Rem Mag. due to its slightly better ballistics. I believe it kicks a bit harder too.
  3. The_Armed_Therapist

    The_Armed_Therapist Well-Known Member

    The only benefit of the 7mm mag over the .30-06 is a slightly flatter trajectory. I imagine this is irrelevant since you're in Appalachia. As mentioned, the .30-06 can come in all shapes and sizes depending on your need. The only time I'd prefer a 7mm mag over a .30-06 is if I lived in the desert, and I already owned a .30-06. ;) Seriously, though, they're both great. The .30-06 just seems to make a little more sense.
  4. Robert101

    Robert101 Well-Known Member

    Choice between 7MM Rem Mag and 30-06? Neither one. My do almost all rifle caliber is the 308 Winchester. Now when I need more down range hitting power and flatter trajectory I lug the longer barrel 300 Mag. That is it in a nutshell. I started scaling back my choices of all the varied calibers, bullets, brass and powders to my fundamental 4 and primarily stay in the 30 caliber range except for .223 for varmits. Don't get me wrong, I think both 7MM Mag and 30-06 are fantastic cartridges I just got tired of the choices........ I was confused and now I have clarity.
  5. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

    If you go to http://www.handloads.com/calc/index.html, and enter the following data respectively, you will see that the two choices, are within 1 inch, and 50 fps of each other from the muzzle to 500 yards, when zeroed at 300 yards.

    .30-06 Sprg: 165 gr loaded to 3,100 fps
    7mm Rem Mag: 150 gr loaded to 3100 fps

    Save yourself the agony of deciding. Flip a coin and enjoy the cartridge. :D

  6. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    That'd be great if you slowed down the 150 grain 7 from it's potential and sped the .30-06 up to encroach on .300 mag velocities by going over SAAMI standard pressure limits. :rolleyes: Never try to make a .357 magnum out of a .38 by handloading. Just buy the real deal.
  7. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

  8. kimbernut

    kimbernut Well-Known Member

    .30-06 Browning X-bolt

    Would be my choice with a Nikon Monarch scope up top.
  9. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    You've chronoed this load? Very optimistic. My best 7 load, attenuated in the interest of accuracy and using RL22, shoots a 150 Game king out at 3200 fps and the gun is capable of 3300 with that bullet. Most ONE FIFTY grain .30-06 loads are below 3000 fps, though some factory stuff like Hornady's "light magnum" will push faster. They use a process, a drop tube thing, that's hard to duplicate and load REAL slow powder for the 06. A 165 at 3100 is a bit over the top, though. I might accept it possible for the light magnum Hornady load, but I'd wanna read the chronograph before I believed it. :D

    I haven't worked with the .30-06, but it's not a magnum and I've seen a lot of test data on it over the years iin articles the writers of which used Ohlers for their numbers, not reloading data from a manufacturer.

    A caveat, barrel length does make a difference. My 7 is a 24" tube, many are 26. Most 06's now days are 22". A longer tube will boost velocities. Remington could have been using a 26", even a 30" test barrel for those velocities. I'd come closer to believing them from a 26" or longer tube.
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2013
  10. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

    Yes, I chrono'ed my load, in my Wea Mark V, 26" barreled rifle. My rifle never hit the 3,150. I believe my max achieved was 3,110 fps. Art knows of this load too.

    Re the 7 Mag, that is an impressive load! I never hand loaded for my former 7 Mag. I always shot factory Fed Premium 150s.

  11. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    Geno, my old Speer #11 manual lists a max charge of 58.0 grains of 4350 and a 165 grain bullet moving at 2865 fps. It was shot from a 22" barrel Remington M700 with a 1:10 twist.

    The manual doesn't list a 150 grain bullet in 7 mag, but a 160 with 80 grains of H870 shoots 3009 fps in the book fired from a 24" barrel Remington 700. RL 22 works much better in the big magnum, gave me 150 fps over what I got with H4831 using a 150 game king and would likely give a 160 grain bullet another 100 fps anyway over the Speer number. RL22 wasn't around when the Speer number 11 was printed. There may be a better powder than IMR 4350 for the .30-06, too, however. But, the big magnum requires slower powders. RL22 hit the sweet spot in my gun. :D I tried a LOT of loads in the thing when I got it. It's a Savage, cheap gun, kinda picky about what it likes. The RL22/150 game king shot MOA, though, my goal. Nosler 160 partitions shoot great in this gun, too.
  12. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    26" barrel answers questions. :D We're doing some apple an orange comparisons, methinks. Barrel length is important, especially with the slower powders the magnums like. I kinda wish I was working with a 26" tube. Weatherby likes 26" tubes. :D
  13. shootr

    shootr Well-Known Member

    After years of ignoring 06 for trendier "designer" loads, the last 5 -10 years I've been shedding things I don't really need, but kept my 06s and find myself shooting 06 most of all. Does everything I need and then some. BAR is a deer-killing machine and an old FN 98 is scary accurate with everything.

    Were I looking for a new 06 today, think I'd find a nice, gently-used Rem 700, or a new Winnie Featherweight. Doesn't get much better!
  14. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

    Very true regarding barrel length. One would not likely get 3,100ish fps out of any 22" barrel. It would be pushing it probably even at a 24" barrel. I believe that the load (charge) I used was 62 grains of IMR 4350, and I used Fed 210 BR primers. I usually used Federal brass. Sometimes Remington. What I see in the reloading manuals usually restricts the 06's maximum due to autoloaders that would not endure the abuse like a bolt rifle can. Regardless, that still is a very impressive 7mm Mag load.

    Believe it or not, I have been looking at a 7 Mag lately, a new in the box Wea Mark V (24" barrel), 7mm Rem Mag in the Grand Slam package. I didn't buy it a month or so because of not seeing very impressive ballistics. Given the load you have listed definitely sparks my interest. Thanks for the info. Time to revisit that package.

    Thanks to the OP too, great thread! Informative, and gave me a chance to learn something too! :D

  15. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    Yeah, good thread. I think we kicked each other around without causing any pain or suffering. :D

    Geno, since you seem interested, I looked up my print out on it...69.0 grains of RL22, I'd have to go mic the OAL, but I seat the bullet just off the rifling in any rifle I'm working with. Then I make a dummy round for reference that I can set the die with when I load it.

    It gave just shy of 3200 fps, 3192 at the muzzle, energy 3393 ft lbs. In MY gun, the best stat is a 11.41 Standard Deviation for a five shot string. Amazing, very consistent. Now, that's a Sierra Game King 150 grain spitzer boat tail. It's lit by a CCI 250 primer in Remington nickel brass.

    I tried loads using lots of bullets from 140 up and I used several powders. In addition to the RL22, I tried IMR 7828 and H4831 which I had already for my .257 Roberts. The RL22 hands down is my favorite, most consistent, best accuracy, best velocity. As is usual, I was prompted to try it because of a magazine article I'd read on reloading the 7. I worked hard trying to find the right recipe in this Savage, bought a lot of bullets and powder. I think I'd spent less if i'd just bought a Remington 700 in the first place. LOL. The Savage is was hard to please, but persistence paid off. Also, i put a polymer stock on it, Ramline, which helped as it free floated the barrel which needed it. It did string vertically, now it doesn't.
  16. Kachok

    Kachok Well-Known Member

    Pushing a 150gr 06 over 3k is not nearly as hard as you think, it is called RL19. Just so happens that is also the most accurate load I have ever shot in my 06. At it's upper limits the 30-06 is a beast, too much so for deer hunting.
  17. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but the bullet weight in question was 165 grains and he is getting 3100 fps. But, the answer was in the barrel length. 26" is long for a .30-06. Most guns in .30-06 have 22" barrels, but Weatherby loves the longer barrel lengths. :D This explains it to me.

    Yes, some loads in .30-06 are too much for whitetails, especially Texas whitetails, but you don't have to push ANY cartridge to its limits. But, I know, for a guy like me that's always been about horsepower, that's hard to avoid. :D These higher velocity loads make more sense out in the open desert and the mountains, though. Still, I've taken whitetail past 300 yards with the lowly .257 Roberts. One does not need a cannon for deer, whitetail OR mule deer. I bought my 7 when I thought I was going to get an elk hunt. I felt the .257 a bit light for elk. I wound up shooting mulies and whitetails with the 7. Then, I won a .25-06 BDL in a gun show door prize raffle, traded it for my .308, and I've been a little infatuated with THAT gun since then.

    It don't have to be a cannon to hunt whitetail, but I guess the OP is lookin' at whatever he's going to run in to in north America. Either of these cannons can do the job in North America. I just really like 7mm bullets. BCs and SDs are excellent and they have a little more meat than the 6.5s which offer even better SDs and BCs. If I couldn't have found that M7 in .308 (which I wanted), I'd been perfectly happy with a 7-08, another fantastic cartridge that takes advantage of the 7mm bullet selection.

    Really, what it comes down to is personal preference. Either gun will do the same jobs. The 7 just gives me a bit more and, hell, I mean, you HAVE to own at least ONE belted magnum, right? :D
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2013
  18. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

    Yup, but kicking each other around respectfully seems to be what hunters do, seeking to challenge others' posts as to their authenticity, versus just hot-air posts. :) Besides, back when I was professional in Taekwondo, I got kicked around much worse. :D Sad part was I seemed to enjoy it, and kept going back for more, for years.

    Thanks for the reloading input on the 7mm Rem Mag.

  19. Kachok

    Kachok Well-Known Member

    Yep the 7mm-08 is a fantastic little cartridge, much more pleasant to shoot then any 7mm Mag, don't have enough hunting experience with it yet to vouch for it as the ultamate deer hunting cartridge as some have done, but the ballistics are impressive for such a small cartridge, packs alot of punch for it's lack of real recoil, my A-Bolt synthetic weighs just over 6lbs and has a nothing of a recoil pad and it is very pleasant to shoot even at max loads, 120gr Pro Hunters at 2950fps (my most accurate load) have mild 243 level recoil.
    There are long barreled 30-06s that special edition Winchester 70 and the Ruger #1 both come to mind, I also like longer barrels to a point, I always have thought 24" barrels are superior to the 22" barrels for 30-06, 270 Win, 25-06, 280 ....etc. I think Kimber has it right 22" tubes on short action 308 family cartridges, 24" on 30-06 family cartridges and 26" on belted magnums, that makes alot of sense to me.
  20. rodregier

    rodregier Well-Known Member

    Look at the ammunition available on the shelves of a couple of country stores as part of your decision-making process.
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