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.308 vs. A bear

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Fire_Moose, Mar 7, 2013.

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  1. Fire_Moose

    Fire_Moose Well-Known Member

    Just curious if anyone knows how effective a 2500-2700fps .308 projectile would be against a charging bear.

    Ohh I hope there's some anecdotes.

    Sent from my CZ85 Combat
  2. Dr T

    Dr T Well-Known Member

    Can bears type?
  3. ironworkerwill

    ironworkerwill Well-Known Member

    dead bear! ar10 really dead bear! It would'nt be my first choice tho. If I had a choice it would be a .600 Nitro.
  4. Dr T

    Dr T Well-Known Member

    I was thinking a .50 BMG with the APC option...
  5. ironworkerwill

    ironworkerwill Well-Known Member

    I would be satisfied with an M60 and a full can. Plus it meets the .308 criteria.
  6. Skyshot

    Skyshot Well-Known Member

    Depends on the bullet used and the size of the bear and the shot placement. If it's a big griz or brownie and you shoot at the top of that sloping skull with a soft point and he is close, you could be a dead man. Those big bears have a thick slope on the skull. I know of one guy that had a .338 bounce off a brownie, the guide stopped the charge with a 12 ga. slug.
  7. Reloadron

    Reloadron Well-Known Member

    You fail to mention the type of bear? Not to mention bullet weight and design?

    Just for the heck of it give this a read for starters. Also, avoid all bears at all cost for the time being. :)

  8. jmr40

    jmr40 Well-Known Member

    Most grizzly guides feel that a well constructed 200gr bullet fired from a 30-06 @ 2600-2700 fps will work. The same bullet at 2500-2600 fps will do about the same job.

    It is still about bullet constructon and placement.
  9. PlaneJain

    PlaneJain Well-Known Member

    Most grizzly guides also carry a 338win or 375H&H to finish the job when needed. ;)

    As for me, when hiking in the woods up here in Alaska, I carry my 308 Galil.
  10. Kachok

    Kachok Well-Known Member

    a 180gr TSX should penetrate around 40" of 10% BG call that around 33"-36" of bear if you factor in thick hide, and if you don't hit any of the really heavy bones. That makes for a very impressive performance for an off the shelf hunting bullet, and should be capable of passing through a bear's vitals from nearly any respectable shooting angle with full expansion, HOWEVER I have come to understand that there is a huge difference between a hunting rifle and a stopping rifle, as a stopper the 308 would not make my top 10 list unless you are talking belt feed fully automatic :D No a stopping rifle should hit really hard, ideally hard enough to break his stride or heavy shoulder bones if encountered, hardened 12ga magnum slugs really come into their own there, as do larger rifles, but a 308 can work, many a bear has been stopped with fast handling 44 magnum and 454 Casul wheel guns, just a long way from my first choice in a rifle.
  11. Fire_Moose

    Fire_Moose Well-Known Member

    Good read reloadron.

    Like I said, just curious. I have no intention of running into a bear fir a few years.

    I've never been hunting. But would live to bag a moose one day. My buddy said a .308 might not cut it but that article seems to disagree...

    Sent from my CZ85 Combat
  12. Kachok

    Kachok Well-Known Member

    The 308 is capable of taking anything in North America, this has been well established. Now it is a long way from the ideal in some cases but I would think a tough 180gr bullet would not be too far on the light side, many a moose has fallen to less powerful 6.5x55s and 7x57s, just don't try to use a fragile bullet designed for deer. Now I will say that on any animal that can reach a ton in weight I would much rather have a potent 338, 358 or 375 caliber rifle myself.
  13. funnelcake

    funnelcake Well-Known Member

    There's a guy here on THR or TFL that (or maybe a couple guys) both live in AK and one survived being mauled by a bear. Basically their experience indicated unless you could successfully shoot and hit 'em in the nose (assuming you're using something smaller than a literal cannon) that you'd be better off with bear spray.

    Granted, this is on the big bears but the OP did ask about stopping a charging bear, not hunting them; to me that's a key difference. I'd take a 12-gauge using slugs (with a good amount of practice and the right kit), and bear spray.

    After seeing how fast most of them can move I'd likely be hoping the stench of my rapidly soiled boxers would serve as an effective deterrent.

  14. Kayaker 1960

    Kayaker 1960 Well-Known Member

    .308 for bear

    I'm pretty sure a .308 with a good heavy bullit will be at least as good as a .44 mag, probably a lot better.
  15. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    Black bear AND grizzly have been killed by .22LR. .308 is overkill for a black bear. More have likely fallen to .30-30 than any other caliber. Heck, for many years, the native Americans in Alaska relied on the .30-30 for everything, from browns to polar bear. Ain't the arrow, it's the Indian. :D

    The OP, as is normally the case in such threads, declines to acknowledge that ther are several species of very different bear on this continent. It makes a big difference if we're talkin' Kodiak or 200 lb black bear.

  16. funnelcake

    funnelcake Well-Known Member

    Again, hunting and stopping a charge are potentially vastly different circumstances.

  17. USAF_Vet

    USAF_Vet Well-Known Member

    Bears!? Better take off and nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
  18. BruceB

    BruceB Well-Known Member

    Based on personal experience, I can say that the .308 AND .303 British AND the .30'06 will all cleanly kill bears and moose and caribou.

    This is predicated on using GOOD bullets and placing them properly for maximum effect. (My personal benchmark for bullet performance is the Nosler Partition, but that benchmark is now being threatened by the Barnes TSX.)

    An auto-loading .308 loaded with these GOOD bullets is a fearsome instrument against anything. I used a TRW M-14 with 180 Noslers as a camp rifle to deal with barren-ground grizzlies north of the timberline. It worked just fine, and I never worried a bit. Remember too, that a .308 at the muzzle is the full equal of a .300 Magnum at a couple hundred yards.

    For charging bears, just get on that trigger and keep shooting while trying for good shot placement. (N0, senator, us civilians have NO NEED for large-capacity magazines... but that M14 with 20 Noslers aboard sure came in handy, and it was a great comfort.)
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  19. RPRNY

    RPRNY Well-Known Member

    Yes a heavy for caliber, well constructed. 308 bullet at. 308 Win velocities will kill any bear on Earth with proper shot placement. I, for one, do not believe that I would be capable of proper shot placement if charged by a large bear. I guess I might get a shot into the bear before the adrenellin and yips made me turn and run but I doubt I could hold steady and take a killing shot in a surprise situation. I think this is why bear spray is often seen as a more effective deterrent. Aimed in the general direction of a bear it is more likely to give the bear pause than a non - lethal gunshot.

    I wonder if the scent of human feces is a deterrent? I would be far more likely to get proper shirt placement than shot placement in a charge situation...

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  20. eastbank

    eastbank Well-Known Member

    when you buy pepper sprey and little bear bells they have serial numbers on them that are registered to you,so when the dig thru the bear SH*T they can id whats left of you, 12ga shotgun loaded with hardened slugs with break them down quick. eastbank.
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