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.357 Lever action...

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Carbon_15, Dec 31, 2006.

  1. Carbon_15

    Carbon_15 Active Member

    Jan 1, 2003
    South Carolina
    I'm considereing one as my next fun-gun...

    Opinions, pictures?
  2. Brian Williams

    Brian Williams Moderator Emeritus

    Dec 22, 2002
    Kampong Cham, Cambodia
    The Search function is your friend, and a Marlin 1894C is my favorite rifle. Go find one and check it out, you will love it.

    I like the C version with a 18.5 round barrel but a 24" cowboy would be nice.

    If you get one, start reloading and check out 180 gr JSPs with some Lil'gun.
  3. NailGun

    NailGun Member

    Aug 16, 2006
    Gone fishing....
    Yup..YUp...YUP!!! YOU NEED ONE! :D Marlin 1894C or 1894 Cowboy (if you prefer the octagon barrel). Fine rifle. Guaranteed to give you a lifetime of cheep shooting pleasure. When shooting, it will bring a grin to your face in a way that a mere .22 lr. can't. :D
  4. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Mentor

    Dec 24, 2002
    Utah, inside the Terraformed Zone
    Load up some Buffalo Bore ammo in there and you'll have a carbine that's in the territory of .30-30 and 7.62x39mm in power. .357 Leverguns are FUN. I used one to teach a lady friend of mine how to shoot. Recoil with standard cheap .357 loads is very mild.
  5. lubbockdave

    lubbockdave New Member

    Oct 20, 2005
    Beautiful Lubbock, Texas
    don't over look the rossi's...but my first choice and favorite would be Marlin as well. The one in the picts is a pre-cross bolt safety in great condition that I MIGHT be talked out of, but you probably will find a cheaper alternative elsewhere...

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  6. Z_Infidel

    Z_Infidel Active Member

    Jan 16, 2003
    158 gr JSP rounds aren't too shabby for general use either...
  7. MCgunner

    MCgunner Senior Elder

    Dec 3, 2005
    The end of the road between Sodom and Gomorrah Tex
    I like my Rossi because it's a Winchester 92 copy. The rear sight sucked, though, replaced it with a ghost ring aperture that has graduated click adjust elevation which is way cool because my light .38 loads shoot way low to my magnums.

    All in all, the 1894 Marline, IMHO, is a better rifle, just that the Winchester look is cool and I like it. I avoid nickeled brass in it, though, for magnums. I've had some brass separation issued in it, but only with nickeled brass which is brittle compared to regular brass. I'm not sure how many times I've reloaded the cases, though, and they're pretty hot loads. So, I try to use fairly new brass in it and not nickeled. Wouldn't be an issue with factory, I reckon.

    I did have an ejector break in the Rossi. Had to have a smith repair it. The hot loads might have gotten to it. I think the Marlin is a stronger gun. JMHO of course. I mean, I like the gun a lot, just think the Marlin is probably the stronger, better product. The Rossi is accurate. Killed a doe with it at about 80 yards using a hand cast gas checked 158 grain SWC. Doe went about 15 feet with a lung shot behind the shoulder. I also have a light 105 grain SWC .38 handload that approximates .22LR applications like squirrel. It is only about 2 1/2" at 50 yards accurate, though. Most of my squirrel hunting is done with a pistol, anyway. The Rossi, with the irons, shoots about 4moa with .357 loads.
  8. hqmhqm

    hqmhqm Member

    Aug 6, 2006
    I got a Marlin 1894C and it is one of my favorite guns, but the rear sight does suck, I 'm replacing it with a brass aperature sight.

    I also have a .22 Browning BL22. I love lever rifles.
  9. Rexrider

    Rexrider Active Member

    Mar 31, 2004
    Maricopa, AZ
    My opinion would be you need to run, not walk to your nearest gun shop and buy one. :D

    Trust me on this. They are very fun and very practical. What more can you ask for?

    The only thing you need to consider is caliber. If you think it will be used for hunting then I would recommend the .44mag. If strictly a fun gun as mentioned then the .357/.38special is the way to go. Even in .357mag, with the right loads and range, it is still a capable dear rifle.

    I have a Marlin 1894c in .357mag and would never give it up.
  10. RoyJackson

    RoyJackson New Member

    Dec 30, 2002
    Got one and they are great!

    We often dscuss SHTF guns here... Although .357 Mag may seem kind of puny for a real SHTF situation, the usability of ammo in a long gun and a hand gun seems quite sensible to me.
  11. Yo

    Yo New Member

    Dec 31, 2002
    Near the ocean
    I have a Marlin .357, and two Uberti Italian clones, one an 1866 "Yellowboy" (brass receiver and all), and a 24" model 1873. The 1866 and 1873 both employ a toggle action. This is much, much smoother than ANYthing Marlin makes. The '66 and '73 also use a vertical moving shuttle that allows a straight-through movement of the case from the mag tube on to the carrier and then from the carrier into the chamber. In my mind this is a superior design compared to the Marlin. No question it feeds faster and more reliably. All the Cowboy action lever gun speed records have been set with toggle actions.

    With a $125 action job on a '66 or '73 you can get the pull weight on the trigger down to 1.5 pounds and lever the gun with your pinkie finger. You can also do action work on the Marlin, but it will never be 'butter-smooth' like the toggle actions.

    The Uberti Win '66 and '73 clones have excellent barrels and are the choice of the lion's share of recent cowboy action champs. Even without action work they are much smoother and faster to cycle than a Marlin. The barrels on my two Ubertis are very nicely finished and the guns clean-up very fast.

    One benefit of the toggle action is that all the linkages for the lever are sealed off from the combustion area. Hence the linkages stay clean and you can shoot thousands of rounds without doing much more that wiping down the elevator and cleaning the bore and chamber.

    The wood stocks are clear-coated and run from good to excellent. If you shop around you can find one with excellent figure--sort of luck of the draw. These guns hold their value very well because the dollar is retreating relative to the Euro. After 3 seasons of fairly hard use, I could sell both my Ubertis for more than they cost.

    For looks, it is hard to beat an Uberti 1866 or '73 with case-hardening...

    Uberti 1873 (steel receiver):


    Uberti 1866 (brass receiver--38 spl only)

  12. GrandmasterB

    GrandmasterB Active Member

    Dec 31, 2002
    Fort Worth, TX
    Love my Winchester. Some don't like the crossbolt safety, but it works for me. Super fun and handy rifle.

  13. de

    de member

    Oct 25, 2006
    North Central Tx
    I bought a rossi from Navy Arms several years ago. 24 inch octogon barrel Model 1892 Winchester clone. I stripped the finishoff the stock and found really nice walnut. 5 coats of hand rubbed true oil and it looked like an original. Didn't like the feeding and called Navy Arms. They offered to fix it but, I instead had them send me a new ejector. Fitted it myself and boy does it eject. The rifle is a tack driver, and I literally don't leave the house without it. I carry it every day. Like the other guy said, inside 75 yards it will do about what a 3030 will do. Of course I have a 94 in 3030 bought new in 1957 or 58.:D
  14. BryanP

    BryanP Senior Member

    May 25, 2003
    Lavergne, TN
    As mentioned above do some searches on Marlin 1894C. You'll find lots of people talking about how much they love theirs. I know mine is possibly my single favorite rifle.
  15. bubbygator

    bubbygator Member

    Mar 5, 2003
    I bought a LSI Puma .357 in SS cuz I fell in love with it's looks. I have poor old eyes, so I (my smithy) put a fiber optic front & a ring rear on it. Made it look even more purty. And it shot just great too. But my eyes just couldn't handle it, so I had to sell it. A nice gun.
  16. 106rr

    106rr Active Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    I have a Marlin 1894CS with a Williams Foolproof receiver sight. It is an amazingly handy rifle. It clearly has plenty of power for any task concerning short range defense except the great bears. It's accurate, cheap to shoot with 38 special and you can practice on an indoor range. It doesn't shoot the 125 gr very well stay with 158 or more for accuaracy.
  17. AStone

    AStone Senior Elder

    Aug 5, 2005
    Far N, E coast
    .357 mag v. 30-30?

    OK, can we talk about these .357 lever guns a bit more?

    I've been making noises for a long while about getting a Marlin 336 (probably A or C) in .30-30 as my main (really, only) centerfire rifle. (Yes, I'm a minimalist, looking for that optimal small toolkit.) It's main use would be deer.

    In the last 24 hours, I've started considering a .357 handgun, probably something like a SW 686, SW 620 or a Ruger GP100. I'd prefer a 4" barrel, but am open to a 6". I'd like to use that revolver for both SD (in addition to the CCW 642 in .38) and possibly for short range deer hunting.

    I've spent the evening reading threads on the .357, it's sufficiency for deer hunting, whether a 4" barrel would be sufficient (see this thread, which I'm considering reviving, for some surprising comments about the adequacy of a 4" .357 for deer), etc.

    I like the idea of having only limited types of ammo to deal with. Depending on the outcome of this research, for me, that could be 12 ga, .22 LR and .357/.38 spl. (I'm considering selling a K9 and replacing it with a .357 mag revolver.)

    Realistically, even if I go with the .30-30, that's still not many types of ammo to deal with.

    So, to my question: I can't find a reliable source of info anywhere comparing the ballistics of .357 mag out of an 1894C with the .30-30 from a 336.

    I've read several comments in this and other threads to the effect of, "With appropriately hot rnds (e.g., Buffalo Bore), a .357 mag out of a carbine will rival a .30-30, at least inside 100 yds."

    Could anyone offer up more information about that topic?

    Why only to 100 yds? My suspicion is that the .30-30 is still going to be more effective on deer past 100 yds, at least to, say, 150. But I'm no ballistics expert.

    Any links to good essays comparing those calibers, especially for deer, at modest ranges?

    Opinions welcome.

  18. 4fingermick

    4fingermick Member

    Aug 10, 2006
    Bathurst, Australia
    The 30/30 will move a 150 or 170Gn bullet along well over 2000fps. The 357 is a top little lever gun round, but a 158gn 357 will be below 2000fps I reckon, I haven't tried hotrodding my 357, got too many powerful rifles to bother running it pedal to the metal.

    If you want hunting strength rounds, I'd be wary of the 1866. I have one in 44/40 and it does not like factory ammo, winchester factory loads stretched the frame, big dollars to fix. Maybe ok with the more modern ones, but I can't imagine it being much stronger. Mine is a Uberti form the 70s and it gets fed cowboy loads only.

    I have a 357 Rossi and it is a hoot of a rifle and has ok sights, square notch rear and square front blade, good, clear sharp sight picture. I think th enew ones are not so good. My 44Mag, which is near new is useless in the sight area. Gold painted from round bead, buckhorn, rear, very hard to use, foresight disappears.

    If I had to or wanted to get by on one, I'd choose the 30/30 and buy one of the new SSteel Marlins with the long barrel. They are a great bit of kit, I reckon the stocks look like sin, but I'd be prepared to put up with them.

    A standard Marlin would be fine. If you are happy with open sights, a second hand Winchester would be the go as well. Bullet proof, but not so good to mount a telescopic sight on.

    I have a 30A Glenfield paid for, awaiting the permit to take it home. I'm tempted to throw more money at it and get the new one (XS, XT or whatever it is).

  19. Hobie

    Hobie Member

    Feb 16, 2005
    Staunton, VA
    Lubbock Dave sold me a fine 1894C (he should NOT have sold) and I love it. ;)
  20. pbhome71

    pbhome71 Active Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    I have a Marlin 1894 in 357 Magnum. Instead of running it hot, I load sub-sonic for it.

    Loading at 38 Special level, it is pretty quiet. I think it is as lound as an airgun.

    My friends still making fun of mine. They all call it a Red Ryder. :) However, IMHO, it is one of the rifle that after I got it, I wonder why I didn't get it sooner.


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