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.380 Glock 25 illegal for US market

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by WhiteKnight, Jun 20, 2004.

  1. WhiteKnight

    WhiteKnight Well-Known Member

    Guys I recently found out that Glock offers a model G25 in .380 that parallels the dimensions of the Glock 19. However this pistol is "not availible for the US market."

  2. Jim March

    Jim March Well-Known Member

    Because it doesn't have enough "sporting features" :barf: to make the GCA68 "sporting use test" criteria.

    Neither does the G19, really, which is why they put crappy plastic adjustable rear sights on in Austria, ship 'em into the US that way, then swap sights here. Somewhere in the US is this BIG pile of disgusting rear Glock sights nobody has ever seen :scrutiny:.

    Even with that trick, the 380 version won't make the grade. Smaller calibers were declared "more evil" in the GCA68 legislation :barf:.
  3. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Well-Known Member

    The 1968 GCA requires that any pistol that's imported must have certain fearures regarding size, safeties, "target" grips, "target (serrated or checkered) trigger. etc. The regulation was largely drawn around the Walther model PP. The Golck design, while an excellent one doesn't have enough of these features to make the BATF&E happy. All this is of course, "for the children ..."

    Larger Glock pistols, because of their size and chambering (9mm and larger) are O.K.
  4. GEM

    GEM Well-Known Member

    It's a great example of the stupidity of the rules. We can get a gun of exactly the same dimensions in 357 Sig in a much better round. However, we are made safe from 380s!!

    Wonder if GWB understands this? Nah.
  5. CleverNickname

    CleverNickname Well-Known Member

    Also, while the Glock 25 and 28 are not legal for civilian import, they can be imported for sale to law enforcement agencies. (Surprise, surpise.) Also, from what I understand of the law, there's nothing preventing an agency from reselling them to a private citizen later.
  6. denfoote

    denfoote Well-Known Member

    There is also the "well Duh" factor.
    Why introduce internal competition from a smaller caliber when your customers can already purchase the bigger one!!!

    The G25 is also a straight blowback design. This exacerbates the import point problem!! I'm sure Glock could redesign the G25 to be a locked breach gun, but why bother!!!
  7. pauli

    pauli Well-Known Member

    the question is, why would one WANT a glock in .380, particularly if it is the same size as the 19.
  8. denfoote

    denfoote Well-Known Member

    WELL DUH!!!!

    See above!!!
  9. Jim March

    Jim March Well-Known Member

    For older folks who can't deal with recoil due to physical hardships, a 380 on a full frame might be a Godsend.
  10. Peter M. Eick

    Peter M. Eick Well-Known Member

    Lets not bad mouth locked breech 380's. My little colt gov 380 is one of the best little centerfires to teach someone with because the locked breech takes the recoil down to pussycat levels. Lets be frank here, a hot 380 load out of a PPK/S in straight blowback mode can be a fair amount of recoil for a new shooter.

    Even with my intrinsic dislike of plastic guns, if glock made a locked breech 380, I would buy one just for training purposes.
  11. inventory0297

    inventory0297 Well-Known Member

    Here is the ATF import points scheme, pretty stupid if you ask me.


    Overall Length: for each 1/4" over 6" 1

    Forged Steel Frame 15

    Forged HTS Alloy Frame 20

    Unloaded Weight w/mag (per ounce) 1

    .22 Short & .25 Auto 0

    .22 LR - .380 Auto 3

    9mm Parabellum & over 10

    Locked Breech Mechanism 5

    Loaded Chamber Indicator 5

    Grip Safety 3

    Magazine Safety 5

    Firing Pin Block or Lock 10

    External Hammer 2

    Double Action 10

    Drift Adjustable Target Sight 5

    Click Adjustable Sight 10

    Target Grips 5

    Target Trigger 2

    A gun needs either 75 or 85 points to be admitted, I forget which......you can see how the 380 loses 7 points to a 9mm+ gun automatically.
  12. mattd

    mattd Well-Known Member

    More so a tariff then gun control.
  13. Dionysusigma

    Dionysusigma Well-Known Member

    Same could be said as far as registering Title II weaponry.
  14. BluesBear

    BluesBear member

    Since it's not a locked breech it loses 12 points.
  15. Heraclitus

    Heraclitus Well-Known Member

    Interesting. Legally speaking, how is the Glock 25 different from other blow-backs, such as the PPK, P232, Cheetah, Makarov and Bersa? And wouldn't it be easy for Glock to modify the pistol in other ways to comply with some silly rule if it meant mo' moolah for them?

    Never mind. With 65% of the market for Glocks going to U.S. law enforcement (of which half are G-22s), they probably don't need the extra dough. :scrutiny:
  16. WhiteKnight

    WhiteKnight Well-Known Member

    I honestly didn't know that. Thanks!

    In the Glock Annual catalog from where I got this information, for the subcompact Glock (G28) is "only availible for law enforcement" while the compact (G25) is "not availible for the US market."
  17. mattd

    mattd Well-Known Member

    I think it would be pointless to have a lock breech in any gun with power less than a .380 because blowbacks are more reliable and accurate by nature of their simple designs.
  18. GigaBuist

    GigaBuist Well-Known Member

    It's made of plastic -- and it's light. That's the difference.
  19. sturmruger

    sturmruger Well-Known Member

    I love THR, I learn something new every day!!!
  20. Heraclitus

    Heraclitus Well-Known Member

    Legally speaking, Gigabuist?

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