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3D Police 38spl Ammo - What Did I Buy This Time?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Joshua M. Smith, Jul 26, 2007.

  1. Joshua M. Smith

    Joshua M. Smith Active Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Wabash IN
    Hello All,

    I was at the gunstore looking for 000 buck (they're out) when I ran across some 3D ammunition. This stuff is SJHP, and the box is not labeled as "+P". However, some of the caseheads are.

    It was interesting, so I bought it. Now I just need to know what it is - is it remanufactured, or did 3D buy a bunch of brass from different sources? Except for the headstamps, they all look uniform - that is, they all have the same bullet and the same bright nickel case.

    Does anyone know how old these are, and how hot? Is it safe for non- +P 38 revolvers? What the heck did I buy?

    Here is the top of the box... police cartidges? Maybe that explains the lack of headstamp consistency?

    The front of the box...

    Some headstamp samples. Notice one says "+P". That's confusing.

    The back of the box says this:

    Any ideas, gents?


    Josh <><
  2. Pistol Toter

    Pistol Toter Active Member

    Jan 10, 2005
    3D Investment Inc, Donaphin NE; there are only two hits on Google something about a cancellation of a registration "COYOTEE" back in May 2005. There is no way of telling what or who they are. You might do a search through an on-line phone book and give them a call. It loks like they could have been reloading brass by the example of the headstamps that you presented. Have you ask the store where you bought the munnitions. I'd be a little skeptical of firing that stuff until I knew more about it. P.T.
  3. CWL

    CWL Mentor

    Jan 6, 2003
    looks like reloaded/remanufactured ammo to me. Doesn't mean it's bad or good.
  4. Black Knight

    Black Knight Participating Member

    Jun 19, 2006
    Charlottesville, VA
    When I was in private security years ago the company bought this ammo for state required qualification. It is factory reloads and the dirtiest ammo I ever had the experience to shoot. It took almost twice as long to clean my duty weapon with ammo than any other ammo I used. It was cheap and that is why the company bought it. They bought it by the case for about two years and switched to Impact which was much cleaner.
  5. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Senior Elder

    Dec 24, 2002
    3D was one of the early high volume commercial reloaders.
    "Remanufactured" is kind of a nice way of saying bulk reloaded, explaining the mixed headstamps. I think their operation was acquired by Master Cartridge.
    It ought to shoot ok.
  6. hotpig

    hotpig Active Member

    Aug 13, 2005
    SW Illinois St Louis metro east
    I used to sale 3D products back when I first started. It was decent stuff to shoot but a little dirty.

    I found half a case of the 45 in my attic last week. Most was 230gr lrn but a few boxes were 185 jhp. I had four failure to feed in my 4506 with the lead bullets. The lead is dry and looks almost white. I think it has been up there since 1997 or so. The ammo was mild and I had no problems shooting my 50 round State LE qualification shoot from 7,15 and 25 yards.
  7. Onmilo

    Onmilo Mentor

    Jul 26, 2004
    We used to sell cases and cases of 3-D ammo when it was available.
    It was the Wolf of the time.

    It was always safe and fairly mild and a local Police Department used to contract with us for range ammunition.

    $12.25 a box is way, way too high a price for this stuff.
    We would buy if for $3.50 a box or $70.00 a case freight paid on 10,000 or more rounds, sold it for $5.50 a box and would give 50 cents a box rebate on returned brass.
  8. foghornl

    foghornl Mentor

    Dec 27, 2002
    Since you pictured a whole bunch of different headstamped cases, that has to be reloaded or remanufactured ammo.

    Pic had several 'flavors' of Federal, and a Winchester-Western case.
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2007
  9. Newkid

    Newkid New Member

    Jul 25, 2007
    Ocean Shores, Washington
    I have used this in my .38/.357 K Frame at 125 grn. and didn't think it was all that bad. Never had a misfire or extra powder from the stuff. It was remanufactured Ammo. It at least said so on the boxes that I got. The only thing that was a little discouraging was the fact that I couldn't get my sights to bring up the lead. It fired a little low over 50 ft. It did lead the barrel a little bit more.
  10. Jim March

    Jim March Mentor

    Dec 24, 2002
    SF Bay Area
    It shouldn't be a safety problem, but...+P cases often have slightly different case capacity from standard pressure. Which in turn can affect performance.

    Not nearly enough to cause a Kaboom, but I'd bet you'll see an interesting velocity spread if you chrony them. That in turn isn't optimum for accuracy.

    It's sure not something I'd trust my life to on defense...it's pure range fodder at best.
  11. Average Joe

    Average Joe Participating Member

    Aug 29, 2005
    Easton, PA
    Yes, they are reloads, I've shot them many times. A little Smokey but ok.

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