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.41 Mag Association

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by 336A, Jun 20, 2011.

  1. highpower

    highpower Well-Known Member

    Kind of a Zombie thread (you know, it came back from the dead), but I'll throw my hat in the ring.

    Unfired 1978 vintage S&W Model 57.

  2. 336A

    336A Well-Known Member

    I know that it's a little late now Gator but don't forget about 2400 powder as well. Unless one is using heavy for caliber bullets (more than 230gr in this case) H110 won't really do anything that 2400 can't. The other benefits are that you don't need a magnum primer and you can safely use lower charge weights of powder. The later is something that is not recommended with H110/W296 powder.

    Lately all the craze is to stuff the heaviest bullet one can find for a given cartridge into the case regardless of the intended use. I understand that there are certain applications where this is necessary, but for most uses a standard weight bullet of proper construction will be more than enough. Shortly after the purchase of my Ruger .41 BH I also purchased some real Keith bullets from Montana Bullet Works.

    I wanted to see for myself just how good the ol' Keith load was for this caliber. Keith used 20.0gr of 2400 under this bullet, but folks claim that today's 2400 burns a little hotter now than it did back when Keith used it. So I consider 19.0gr as the MAX charge weight to be used. I statred at 17.5 and worked up to 19.0gr in .5gr increments. As I worked closer to 19.0gr I noticed that accuracy got better. At 18.5gr recoil was about the same as factory ammo and, the load hit to the sights and accuracy was a bit better too:) I then loaded up the last 5 rounds that contained of 19.0gr 2400.

    As soon as I touched the trigger my immediate thoughts were WHOA MOMMA:cuss:, the dang grips gouged a bit of skin from pinky finger. That load has all the recoil I ever want to endure from that gun. It was very accurate more so than the 18.5gr load but goodness the recoil is something else. Keith as well as others did very well for years with his bullets before heavy for caliber bullets became all of the rage. I don't see any reason why his loads won't get the job done just as well today as they did in the past.

    I'd also like to add that the 19.0gr load was really cooking along. It hit a full 1" - 1 1/2" lower than the factory ammo and the 18.5gr loads.
  3. S.B.

    S.B. Well-Known Member

    " Shortly after the purchase of my Ruger .41 BH I also purchased some real Keith bullets from Montana Bullet Works."

    336, and just what exactly is a real Keith bullet? I don't think anyone knows any more. Everybody has a different idea what he actually designed.
  4. 336A

    336A Well-Known Member

  5. ahandgunner2

    ahandgunner2 Well-Known Member

    Highpower....it doesn't count if all you have is an unfired 57. Nice piece but you gotta shoot a 41 to love a 41. Get it out of the case, load it up, and put some lead down range and then we'll let you join :D
  6. highpower

    highpower Well-Known Member

    I fully intend to shoot it. :)

    I had to order a couple of boxes of ammo as there was none available locally. I have already purchased the dies and am in the process of trying to figure out what bullets/powder I want to use. All the usual powders are currently unavailable in my area so I am going to have to get a little creative.
  7. Domino300

    Domino300 Well-Known Member

    Has anyone tried Power Pro MP300 in 41 Mag? I bought a pound a year or so ago, but hadn't seen any info for 41. I emailed Alliant asking about this and they haven't tested for it, but recommended a starting point of 21 gn. and work up to 23 gn. for the 210 gn jacketed bullets.
  8. 336A

    336A Well-Known Member

    Brian Pearce did write up on this powder in one of the handloader mags, 23gr was the MAX load for a 220gr keith bullet. Let us know how it works for you as I've been interested in it myself.
  9. Jrodcody

    Jrodcody Member

    Thought I might throw this 41 black hawk up on the 41 board. Its fitted with some new giraffe bone grips and will head out in the field in a new Cheyenne rig by wm. Brown. And yes, it will have a cylinder in it full of #12 shot loads. Will compliment my marlin S nicely.

  10. dpote

    dpote Well-Known Member

    I'm in!

    S&W style.
    This brute followed me home last weekend. The N serial number puts it around 1973 or so. The grips aren't correct, but what I paid for it, I can get the correct service grips and then some.
    I ordered some of the police loads for it which should be here in a few days.
    To distract myself from the wait, I rolled up some of my own 210gr Sierra JHP with 2400.
    It's a keeper, for sure. I'll do IPSC with it at the next match to wring it out.



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  11. Deputy25

    Deputy25 Well-Known Member

    I have two 58s, both blue. Probably my favorite N-frame.
  12. JerryND

    JerryND Well-Known Member

    Almost missed this thread. Will have to go back and read it all but my favorite ctg. Had a Blackhawk back in the 60's. We could not use Handguns for deer then so it was an expensive plinker. I sold it. My biggest mistake. After a bad experience with a deer at 20 yds with a 357 I decided to step up. Still had dies, cases and bullets. 4 deer with the .41 Contender. All 1 shot. Looking for a Blackhawk
  13. publiuss

    publiuss Well-Known Member

    Model 58 here. Fun gun. When I got it 20 or so years ago it was a police trade in and had very little blueing. I had it teflon coated b/c it was cheaper than re-blueing. Now that I have the money, do you think that S&W would have any problem stripping the current finish and blueing it?
  14. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Well-Known Member

    Highpower, that is absolutely my favorite 41 mag to shoot. It is certainly the most accurate one I have.
  15. Lerk

    Lerk Well-Known Member

    Just got done running through some handloads. Ran some 215gr SWC's with Trailboss, 2400, and Unique. At 5.5gr of Trailboss, my Redhawk is comparable to a 9mm. Unique was alright, but overall I find I am getting away from using it.

    2400 brings a smile to the face :evil:
  16. Iggy

    Iggy Well-Known Member

    Us old pharts may know something after all.;)
  17. Lerk

    Lerk Well-Known Member

    ^ I don't think there ever was a question about that, you guys know you're stuff. Simply lacking time to sit down and make new loads since I got the powder.
  18. Iggy

    Iggy Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I'm sure that is true.. I was just pullin' your laig!:evil:

    I've been using 2400 in .41s for over 40 years. Never saw much need to try anything else..
  19. Lerk

    Lerk Well-Known Member

    I can see why, 2400 is hands down a clear cut winner for it.
  20. 336A

    336A Well-Known Member

    2400 is a hard powder to beat in the .41 mag, also don't be so quick to give up on Unique. Try 8.0gr - 8.5gr of it behind some of those 215gr SWC, I think you may be pleasantly surprised. It gets a bad rap for being dirty but I haven't found any clean powder yet when shooting cast bullets.

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