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.44 & .357 magnum cartridge....

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by RDCL, Apr 2, 2010.

  1. RDCL

    RDCL Well-Known Member

    Unless I'm unaware....

    Why are'nt these rounds available in FMJ?

  2. don95sml

    don95sml Well-Known Member

    I'd have to answer your question with a question: what would you want to use it for? I believe most commonly sold cartridges are designed for hunting or for self defense. If you just want to punch holes in paper, you really don't need the magnum loads anyway.
  3. unspellable

    unspellable Well-Known Member

    If you want to punch holes in paper, wadcutters would be in order.

    Plian swaged lead bullets would be cheapest for plinking. Also easier on the barrel.

    I really can't think of a good reason for FMJs in a 357 or 44. Maybe some sort of modified FMJ in the 357 where metal piercing or really deep penetration is required, something really pointy like the old fashioned metal piercing loads.
  4. captain awesome

    captain awesome Well-Known Member

  5. rmfnla

    rmfnla Well-Known Member

    Hard-cast alloys do just as well and cost much less.
  6. RDCL

    RDCL Well-Known Member

    Although I'm not a hunter...I have always wondered this very question simply because I feel a .44 magnum with a FMJ would have incredible penetrative power. Certainly much more than any JSN or HP.

    You guys are correct......no practicle use in a FMJ .44 magnum....but in the name of fun.....and is it not what the shooting sports is all about:).......would'nt it be great to have a cartridge to truley test the penetrive power of this round?

  7. buck460XVR

    buck460XVR Well-Known Member

    They are available, just not common. Most common FMJ ammo(30-06,.308, .223, .45ACP, 9mm) was/is originally used by various countries military, thanks to the Geneva convention. Thus surplus FMJs are readily available in those calibers and the infrastructure to produce this type of ammo cheaply is around. Many states prohibit the use of non-expanding(FMJ) bullets on game animals......thus you don't see it often in those calibers designed primarily for hunting and never commonly used by the military.

    FTSESQ Well-Known Member

    A lot of indoor ranges are now requiring FMJ/ TMJ or at least not lead projectiles.
  9. SaxonPig

    SaxonPig Well-Known Member

    Same reason anything that is unavailable is unavailable... lack of consumer demand. If there were enough people asking for it, they would make it. Apparently not enough people are asking for it.
  10. spyder1969

    spyder1969 Member

    I recently ordered a box of .357 Magnum FMJ

    CUTENAME member

    Are there really no "dumb questions"?

    Does anyone make civilian brass-FMJ DU bullets in .45acp, 7.62x39, and .308x39? It's a "mount Everest" syndrome question. Don't ask or tell. Cute.
  12. Guy de Loimbard

    Guy de Loimbard Well-Known Member

    Must be a local thing. LGS here stocks .357 HP and FMJ, no lead bullets. Their .38 special is also FMJ, I don't even recall seeing HP loads in that caliber.
  13. DWFan

    DWFan Well-Known Member

  14. dagger dog

    dagger dog Well-Known Member

    The advantages of handloading, you can load the bullet you wan't, sillouette shooters use fmj so they can push the hand gun velocity past the point where leading can occur even with gas checked cast lead.

    I used to load a 160 gr FMJ round nose .357 Mag to shoot from a 7 1/2" Ruger
    Blackhawk, just for kicks to see if could knock a hole in cast iron engine block (it will) also see if it would shoot through an automobile body side to side (not a problem), end to end ( without the engine) sure did.
  15. mesinge2

    mesinge2 Well-Known Member

  16. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    Two good reasons I can think of.

    One, they've never been a military cartridge. Not having any "rules" of war dictating their use, there is no need for an inferior bullet design just to satisfy some convention.

    Two, revolvers don't have feeding problems since they don't have to feed or eject.

    A hard cast, heavy Keith style SWC in .44 magnum has more'n enough penetration for just about anything that roams the western hemisphere. It may not be "the most powerful handgun ever made" anymore, but it can still "blow your head clean off." :D Well, maybe not, but you get the point. Short of picking berries on Kodiak Island, I don't see the need for more gun in a handgun. I see all the X frame mega-magnums as excess and that goes double where I'm at. We got nothin' down here that'll eat you and killing a hog don't take a .500 S&W. .44 is excellent for that. I don't own one. I have a .45 Colt. Just sayin'. :D
  17. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    Hmm, that's odd. I routinely push a 165 cast SWC at 1900 fps in my 20" .357 carbine and it shoots as clean as any jacketed bullet. I've never seen any sort of leading with a gas checked bullet even at rifle velocities. The flat point SWC is far better as a hunting bullet, which is what I do with it.
  18. rmfnla

    rmfnla Well-Known Member

  19. 41magsnub

    41magsnub Well-Known Member

    I had a box of Fiocchi .357 FMJ. I forget what grain, they were goofy looking extra point things. They shot just fine, they were really cheap at the time which is the only reason I bought them.
  20. mesinge2

    mesinge2 Well-Known Member

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