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44 Mag 240gr "Laser Cast" Bullets (LSWC)

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by HKGuns, Dec 23, 2012.

  1. HKGuns

    HKGuns Well-Known Member

    I picked up a box of Oregon Trail "Laser Cast" bullets to compliment my traditional Ranier plated rounds. Just to see how they performed.

    My "normal" powder for the Ranier's is 19.5 gr of 2400. I can't seem to find a load for these bullets using 2400.....Am I really going to have to go out and get another powder for these things? I do have a small amount of titegroup, but I really prefer to use 2400 because I have so much of it laying around.

    Anyone have a 2400 load that will work safely with these bullets? Or can you point me to a source?
  2. HKGuns

    HKGuns Well-Known Member

    Ok, I found a load of 19.5 gr of 2400 for cast lead. I just want to check in with you folks to ensure this is correct as this is the first time I've messed with cast lead bullets.
  3. 56hawk

    56hawk Well-Known Member

    Lyman lists 20.6 max. Realistically there isn't much difference between lead and jacketed load data. Just start low and work up like normal.
  4. HKGuns

    HKGuns Well-Known Member

    Thanks, getting that confirmation helps. I prefer to play it safe when trying something when reloading for the first time.
  5. jack44

    jack44 Well-Known Member

    I used 19.5 of 2400 with a BTB300gr I think it was alittle hot! I had a time getting the cases out!.
  6. HKGuns

    HKGuns Well-Known Member

    How does this one look?

  7. HKGuns

    HKGuns Well-Known Member

    Yes, 16 gr is the hottest I see with that bullet weight.
  8. 56hawk

    56hawk Well-Known Member

    Looks like you need to crimp it or you are going to jam your gun.
  9. HKGuns

    HKGuns Well-Known Member

    Yes that is what I thought, this should look better.

  10. 56hawk

    56hawk Well-Known Member

    Looking good. :)
  11. 41 Mag

    41 Mag Well-Known Member

    The load listed in the LC manual is as follows for 2400 and the 240gr SWC,

    Test gun - Ruger Super Red Hawk 9.5"
    Primer - Win Lg Pistol
    Powder - 2400
    Start - 19.8gr Vel 1354fps
    Max - 22.4gr Vel 1525fps
    OAL 1.605"
  12. HKGuns

    HKGuns Well-Known Member

    Thanks .41!! I should do just fine with my load then.
  13. Lost Sheep

    Lost Sheep Well-Known Member

    When I looked at your first picture, I thought nearly the same thing as 56Hawk. Recoil from firing the other bullets might cause an inadequately crimped bullet to pull out of the case (through inertia) and protrude from the front of the cylinder and jam the gun.

    However, if the friction between the bullet and the brass is sufficient, you could get away without the roll crimp (and thereby extend the life of your brass).

    The only way to know for sure is to try a few cylinderfulls and see if you do get bullet creep. When this has happened with my SP101 .357 mag, I have been able to (carefully and safely) push the bullet back into the case with my finger easily enough.

    But with that much 2400, I consider it a foregone conclusion that a crimp will be necessary.

    For all smokeless powders, but more so for slower-burning powders, good bullet retention (through friction and crimp, both) is necessary to let the pressure get quickly up into the powder's optimal range. If you don't get the pressure right, you will get high variations in pressure and in velocity and lousy accuracy.

    Lost Sheep

    p.s. I won't comment on the charge weight as I have not looked up any, but note that Jackal44 mentioned 300 grain bullet weight, but your bullets are 240 grain. Making a 20% or 25% mistake in bullet weight could be deadly.

    It may seem counter-intuitive, but (in general with all other things equal) heavier bullet weights do take less powder.
  14. CraigC

    CraigC Well-Known Member

    A 240gr SWC over 19-20gr 2400 is a good place to be. Plenty potent and should burn clean. Standard primers only with 2400.
  15. Asherdan

    Asherdan Well-Known Member

    Concur with CraigC, I've pushed 240g cast with 19.5g of 2400 with good results. Crimp 'em good.
  16. jack44

    jack44 Well-Known Member

    Thanks - I'l try that next time HK I'l also try 18gr also.
  17. flipajig

    flipajig Well-Known Member

    I don't have my loading manual (just moved still boxed up) 19.5 grn of 2400 and a CCI Large pistol primer I've loaded several works great in my guns.
  18. bluetopper

    bluetopper Well-Known Member

    2400 and the 44 Mag go together as well as any combination in reloading and have for more than 50 years.
  19. jack44

    jack44 Well-Known Member

    16gr. of 2400 and a 240 lead bullet works prett good

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