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.45 ACP ammo

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by stinger 327, Jun 13, 2012.

  1. stinger 327

    stinger 327 Well-Known Member

    Generally which is a better round for protection? 230 grain hollow point, or a 165 grain hollow point both in .45 ACP?:confused:
  2. tuj

    tuj Well-Known Member

    check out asym precision's 185gr sdx schp load.
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  3. memphisjim

    memphisjim Well-Known Member

    I've seen gel tests where the 185 gr didn't penetrate 10 inches
  4. tuj

    tuj Well-Known Member

    you taking about the SDX bullet?

    According to Stan Chen: "Note that this bullet begins to expand at 720 fps, with full expansion reliably occurring around 850+ fps. This particular bullet does not have to be pushed to super hot velocities to be extremely effective.

    After much careful consideration and testing, we decided to spec. our load at a solid 1020 fps. from a 5" Colt Government model, as we consider this to be a superb balance of expansion, penetration, controllability, and reliability in stock pistols, including compacts. We wish we didn't have to call it "+P", as it doesn't behave as such! "


    "1. The 185gr SCHP, loaded to between 1100 and 1200 FPS, consistently penetrates 16+" in every test as a minimum value. That is to say, in many cases it penetrates greater than this. Compare this to an average of 12-14" of penetration with a +P 230gr traditional hollowpoint.

    2. The SCHP load has shown above 98% expansion rate through all media, save for steel (which crushes the hollowpoint cavity anyway).

    3. In the Solid Defense X, and in every load out there, the pressures of the so-called +P are on the bottom end of what SAAMI considers +P. In Stan's SDX load, the load barely breaks through the barrier, providing only enough added pressure to get the load up to 1100-1150 FPS consistently. The recoil and pressure difference is minimal, comparative.

    4. The solid copper loads have shown outstanding performance both in real-world use for Self Defense and in hunting applications, with a surprisingly high rate of consistency."

    ASYM/Chen's stuff is really really good. His match ammo stands up to the highest standards of bullseye shooters, and I have no doubt they have tested the defensive load extensively.
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  5. jeepnik

    jeepnik Well-Known Member

    Truthfully, if you hit your target as you should, it won't make a tinker's dam worth of difference.

    Instead of looking for a "magic bullet", just find a JHP from one of the major manufacturers, that functions properly in "YOUR" handgun, and then practice, practice, practice.

    I know it's kind of boring to think of it this way, but money spent practicing with a relatively inexpensive JHP that works in your handgun is better spent than money on a "super" bullet.
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  6. psyopspec

    psyopspec Well-Known Member

    Not .45 ACP specific, but FWIW: I consider ammunition to be like the tires on a car in that different purposes call for different types, and it can make an appreciable difference. Fortunately, we live in a time where there are a lot of high-end makers of a bullet type that's evolved technologically in the last 20 years or so. Last time I made a purchase of hollowpoint ammo, I wanted to save money buying in bulk and by doing so have enough to test my carry load before CCW with it and have plenty on hand. I wittled down the list of manufacturers I preferred, and the range of bullet weights I was okay with. After that I just went with what saved me the most money.
  7. Loosedhorse

    Loosedhorse member

    I think there are some calibers (like 9mm) where ammo choice is critical, and can take you all the say from poor stopper to great stopper.

    The .45 isn't like that. I think if you go with any dependably expanding HP from 160-230 grains, it'll do.

    Be aware if you have fixed sights and want to be on at 25 yards or beyond, you'll need to check whether your POA is close to your POI if you use an unusual weight.
  8. Ben86

    Ben86 Well-Known Member

    As good as premium ammo is these days it's hard to go wrong with whatever bullet weight they offer. That said I generally prefer mid-heavy for caliber. 165 sounds too light in .45 for me, I stick with 230 grains.

    Modern ammo is designed to work from a wide range of weights and within a wide range of velocities. By work I mean expand well and penetrate far enough (about 12").

    More important is how well it functions and how accurate is in your chosen gun.
  9. stinger 327

    stinger 327 Well-Known Member

    Even if it is a FMJ round it is still going to make big holes and won't have to rely on expansion. That's where placement counts.
  10. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    Use the best JHP round your gun will feed. Brands don't make much difference. That is all.

    Almost. The only reason I would mess with anything lighter than a 230 gr bullet is if I was using a shorter than 5" barrel. (Which I haven't done in almost 20 years.) With a shorter barrel you lose velocity, a lighter bullet helps you get it back.
  11. stinger 327

    stinger 327 Well-Known Member

    Buffalo Bore, and Corbon have some hot .45 ACP rounds.
  12. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    For what? .45 ACP works just fine at its intended velocity.
  13. stinger 327

    stinger 327 Well-Known Member

    Is the effective range of the .45 alot less than the 9mm or .40 CAL?
  14. Ben86

    Ben86 Well-Known Member

    It drifts down an extra few inches or so at 100 yards. But, at most defensive distances that won't mean squat.
  15. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    Nope. The effective range of all combat handguns is about the same.
  16. CWL

    CWL Well-Known Member

    .45 ACP was designed as a big & slow round. It has been truly battle-tested in wars and on the mean streets of 4 Continents.

    I don't understand why people think they need to improve on this by coming-up with these lighter & faster loads.

    If you want light & fast rounds, go to .40SW.
  17. foghornl

    foghornl Well-Known Member

    I use the Rem Golden Sabre 230-Gr HP. Couple of reasons...It feeds/fires well in my .45's, it is one of the "Premium" SD loads.
  18. jeepnik

    jeepnik Well-Known Member

    Because the manufacturers of these rounds always seem to find someone to buy them. Heck, once upon a time frangible rounds were the hot ticket. But for the most part common sense has prevailed, and while they're still around, they're a special purpose round.

    Put a big ole hunk of lead, moving at 800 fps or a bit more, into your target where you should, and the design is not as important as many folks make it out to be.
  19. stinger 327

    stinger 327 Well-Known Member

    Yes Magsafe I remember these were over $1.00 per round a frangible very hi-velocity but light in weight round. In 1987 these were hot.
  20. stinger 327

    stinger 327 Well-Known Member

    Prefer to shoot the .45 ACP over the .40 because 40 is just too snappy with terrible recoil regardless of whatever type and weight of ammo you use. .40 is not as fun to shoot like a .45 ACP.

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