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.45 ACP versus .223; 10 feet away

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by DefiantDad, Jun 10, 2012.

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  1. DefiantDad

    DefiantDad Well-Known Member

    .45 ACP versus .223 (comparing FMJ and JHP).

    Which one would you rely on for stopping an imminent threat coming around the corner / in your doorway (e.g., bad guy with shotgun or full-auto, etc).

    For .45 ACP assume you can use either handgun (e.g., 1911, Glock 36, etc.) or pistol ammo carbine in .45 ACP.

    For .223 assume something like an AR but you can also opt for a pistol/SBR chambered in .223.

    Probably you have the element of surprise and the chance to put ONE SHOT into the bad guy.
  2. cheeze

    cheeze Well-Known Member

    I'll take the .45 any day. 230 grains going 875 fps is going to cause major damage. Would you rather get hit by a golf ball going 60 mph or a bowling ball going 20 mph? If you hit something on the assailant's body, you've likely stopped the threat. The .45 will most likely transfer 100% of it's energy upon impact, where the 223 may pass through and lose energy elsewhere, making it less effective. Also, at 10 feet, I would rather not have a rifle barrel hanging out there to be swinging around and trying to put on target in a hurry. .223 means rifle in most every case. .45 means pistol in most every case. If you're looking for home defense options, the .45 takes the cake overwhelmingly IMO.
  3. DefiantDad

    DefiantDad Well-Known Member

    Sounds good
  4. FuzzyBunny

    FuzzyBunny Well-Known Member

    It all depends on **** placement.

    At home the .45 is a lot easier to retain than a long gun.

    Either way be sure your homeowners covers mess cleanup!

    As far as one imminent threat never plan on that until the police clear the property and home. All plans fail at first contact with the enemy. Get a few durn good flash lights and extra .45 mags too. When I need my light I plan for it to fail!

    Call your attorney right before or during the 911 call.

    I said way more than the OP ask, Sorry

    I would go with a full size .45 myself
  5. shootniron

    shootniron Well-Known Member

    Even though I am a huge fan of the .45acp for a handgun round...at 10ft, I will take the .223 tac round fired from a rifle.

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  7. mavracer

    mavracer Well-Known Member

    I want a carbine and for your scenario caliber really doesn't matter. At 10feet imminent danger requires a CNS hit for a reliable stop. Now in all honesty I don't see any upside to having a carbine in 45acp over an M4gery.
  8. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    Rifle every time. Even if the .45 was more likely to drop all of its energy into the target, it won't knock them down.

    If you want a real-world demonstration of the .45's stopping power, set a 50 lb bag of cement on a oil drum. shoot it a few times. That is what it will do to a human target.
  9. 357 Terms

    357 Terms Well-Known Member

    10 feet, 20 feet, 30....223 every time.

    Its a rifle! much more effective.
  10. ichiban

    ichiban Well-Known Member

    I'd go with the .45acp in a handgun for the tactical consideration that Cheese mentioned. Ten feet is pretty darned close.
  11. CDW4ME

    CDW4ME Well-Known Member

    Line up five water filled gallon jugs of water for each, shoot whatever 45 acp you want, in the .223 use a Barnes TSX, Federal Fusion 62 gr. or Nosler 60 gr. Partition, then decide.

    The 45 HP will expand to a much larger recovered diameter, (230 gr. Ranger T very impressive) while the .223 may expand to .41 Partition - .46 Barnes.

    However, the impact seen on the jugs will be different; the 45 may (will) split the first jug, but a .223 Nosler Partition 60 gr. at 2,800 fps + can (did) rip it into two seperate pieces.

    You are comparing KE levels of maybe 400# vs 1,000+#

    The .223 would cause more damage and be more likely to immediately stop the threat (IMO).
  12. hentown

    hentown Well-Known Member

    Why should I assume that I'm only getting one shot? Am I going to be shooting a Lorcin or Hi-Point?? :D
  13. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    Ten feet away, in a hallway?

    No brainer for me, .45 ACP. I won't loose as much hearing, and at 10 feet away, either one center of mass will do the trick. You can always shoot them again if needed.

    Yes, the .223 is more gun, no one will deny that.
  14. Bobson

    Bobson Well-Known Member

    I have the element of surprise and time enough for one [aimed] shot at 10 feet? If I was shooting paper with these same elements, I'd aim at the head portion of the target. No reason to pretend I'd do different if it were an armed intruder in my home. Therefore it makes no difference what I'd be armed with; 9mm to a 12 gauge filled with buckshot, and everything in between.
  15. Shear_stress

    Shear_stress Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure if you are being serious. Pistols are pistols and rifles are rifles. The 45 will poke a hole. The .223 will poke a hole, tumble and possibly break apart at the cannelure. There is absolutely no doubt that the .223 will do much, much more damage.

    The question is really not about the effectiveness of the round, but the ease of use around the house.
  16. shinyroks

    shinyroks Well-Known Member

    I have been debating this with myself (me joined in occasionally). I came to the conclusion that since I:

    a) Have no need for concealment within my own home
    b) Am more likely to put a second round on target
    c) Have a folding stock on my mini (nullifies storage woes)
    d) JIC, i have 30 rnds as opposed to 8-10
    5) I load 55gr v-max, reducing (not eliminating) pass-through

    I keep a Mini-14 near the bed. It is also much easier to point (IMHO) the rifle in close quarters or the dark than it is to aim the handgun. And it gives a much more satisfying racking sound... It's as much a mind game as anything else.
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  17. Inebriated

    Inebriated Well-Known Member

    .45 handgun... becuase if they're at 10 feet, they're probably closing the gap... the handgun goes anywhere my hand goes... not so for the rifle.

    Though in general, if there's a choice, take the rifle, and don't let the person within 30 feet.
  18. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    For a pretty sure stop?
    .223 hands down!

  19. TimboKhan

    TimboKhan Moderator

    Tactically speaking, your weapon should be going where your eyes are going, regardless of whether it be rifle, pistol or shotgun.

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