45 degree offset Iron Sights

[zstephens13]

So I have my RRA LAR-8 set up for long range shooting (300-400 yds) and would like to have a set of back up iron sights on the gun.
My first thought was flip-up sights mounted behind the scope and on the gas block, but a new idea has been presented to me.

What are your thought and opinions on mounting iron sights at a 45 degree on the right side of the rifle so you just turn it a bit and line up with them like the IPSC shooter do?

Pros?
Cons?
Experiences?

Thanks for you help.

Z

 

[taliv]

irons require a great deal more consistency in cheek weld than the red dots and those particular red dots are often just for hitting very close targets. hitting 300-400 yrds with the rifle canted would be difficult, moreso since you wouldn't be able to use the mag as a monopod

 

[desidog]

What taliv said; plus, the weight of the sights, although not much, will be off center axis, which will change things up as well, for the scope and irons.

 

[zstephens13]

I don't plan to shoot the iron sights 300-400 yards, that is what my scope is for.
The irons would be for anything under 100 yards or so.

 

[Broken11b]

Well, I did see a weapon configured in a similar way... once.
It was for an operator who had lost vision in his dominant eye, so the weapon was canted a little less that 40 degrees, with a side mounted front handgrip and a sight that was extended so it would be lined up with his left eye.
It looked weird as ****, but if it worked for him... go for it

 

[zstephens13]

I thought this was more common.
IPSC shooters use it. SWAT teams use it.
huh...
i'm pretty sold on trying it.

 

[HorseSoldier]

A couple of the SF guys I served with liked that set up on their weapons -- but they were both big IPSC/Three Gun shooters. It seems like a workable solution for close range engagements, but a whole lot more guys were running J Points or other baby red dots on top of their ACOGs, or just using red dots as their primary optic.

 

[Avenger29]

JP Enterprises makes a set of close in irons to mount offset of the bore...they kinda look like pistol sites.

LaRue and a couple of others make offset Aimpoint mounts, too.

 

[trstafford]

Why Iron sights

Why not just use the 45 degree offset mounts with a reflex sight? It works for Jerry Michulek

 

[Bwana John]

I think they call those "homeboy sights"

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=340

 

[Sam1911]

Definitely seen this on USPSA guns. Actually seen ARs with a scope for long range, a holographic sight mounted on the scope tube for close range, and a ~12" rail mounted at 45 deg. with the back-up irons there. He could transition pretty quickly between them, too.

Heck of a bulky rifle, though.

-Sam

 

[zstephens13]

Those are 90 degree pistol sights, I talking about putting them on a long rifle at 45 degrees.
Thanks though.

 

[zstephens13]

......

still nothing?
I'm surprised you all don't have more to say on the subject...

 

[OneKYards]

There is a Company making this type of sight. I am waiting for them to arrive, so I can mount them 45 degrees on my rail system. Buying another optic plus a mount is out of the question. A Micro and a LaRue mount can get you near 1k.

I pre-ordered my offset sights here http://www.harristacticalonline.com/category.sc?categoryId=3


I'll give feedback once I get them on and shoot them.

 

[The_Hammer_Man]

I've done something like this for a 3-gun weapons belonging to a customer. He went with a top of the scope mini-red dot and JT Engineering's tube mounted offset sights.

For National Match quality/accuracy with offset sights... I dunno. I don't think you'll be able to pull it off with any regularity/consistency. These types of sights are on par with shotgun bead sights. Good enough to make the hit.. but not good enough for "pinpoint" accuracy.

A possible method for mounting sights at an angle would be to use a 1 o'clock mounted long rail fastened to your FF tube and extending back (over the ejection port) to the rear of the upper receiver. Bracing it would be a stone "bear".

 

[nipprdog]

Why not just use the 45 degree offset mounts with a reflex sight? It works for Jerry Michulek

I've been thinking about that myself. Here's someone else's version;


http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1164167

 

[Gord]

Been wondering about this as well ever since I saw an AR-15 helmet cam video posted in Competition Shooting. Seems like a nice way to be able to utilize both a traditional scope and a red dot on an AR without the cost and compromise of an EOTech 3x magnifier...

 

[d2wing]

It will work if you keep the bore and the sights in the same vertical plane, and your stock weld holds the sights level.