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.577 Webley

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by planetmobius, Dec 5, 2012.

  1. planetmobius

    planetmobius Well-Known Member

    I want a reproduction of the .577 Webley. Does anyone make such a thing?
  2. GCBurner

    GCBurner Well-Known Member

    Not so far. The .577 revolver cartridges are really rare too.
  3. Acorn Mush

    Acorn Mush Well-Known Member

    Are you speaking of one of the old British cartridge howdah pistols? I haven't ever seen any reproductions offered other than the Pedersoli muzzle loaders. Would be very interesting if some company did, though. Personally, I think it would be tremendous fun shooting a .577, a 16-bore, or even a 12-bore rifled double-barrel pistol.:evil:
  4. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Well-Known Member

    Hamilton Bowen built a .577 Ruger but is variously reported as saying it was too much trouble to license or even that he could not get it licensed to sell and was only allowed to keep it as a black powder prototype.

    Even if you jumped through all the hoops, the market is too small for anybody to bother with an all new construction to the Webley plan.
  5. driver243

    driver243 Active Member

    In the 1870s Webley made a .51 revolver called the RIC (Royal Iriish Constabulary) there are no replicas made bit originals can still be bought for around £500GBP in the UK
  6. driver243

    driver243 Active Member

    In the 1870s Webley made a .51 revolver called the RIC (Royal Irish Constabulary) no replicas have been made but originals are still around and can be bought for around £500GBP in the UK
  7. Pete D.

    Pete D. Well-Known Member


    I just checked through William Dowell's definitive history "The Webley Story". Info about the .577 pistol appears at the beginning of chapter six.
    The photos are in the public domain so...here is one of the .577 introduced in 1866. It is a lot of gun.

    Sorry about the distortion of the barrel in the pic.
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2012
  8. zimmerstutzen

    zimmerstutzen Well-Known Member

    I remember reading an article nearly 20 years ago in a gun rag about an English 58 cal cap and ball gun. It had to be a monster, but I often think how much I would like to have one, even a repro.
  9. Big Al Mass

    Big Al Mass Well-Known Member

    This one was not cap and ball. It used a shortened version of the .577 Snider cartridge called the .577 Boxer. Also, it was designed by William Tranter, and licensed to Webley for a time. Here are some better pictures of the beast: http://www.firearmsmuseum.org.au/Survey/images-577.htm Click "Return to Details" on the linked page to get to the information.
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2012
  10. kBob

    kBob Well-Known Member

    Well I am glad to find out what the heck it is as there is a picture of one on the dust cover of a british book on firearms history I have that is not identified. Now I know.

  11. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Well-Known Member

    driver243, I never heard of a .51 RIC.
    Early ones I have seen illustrated were .44 Webley, later ones in .450 or .455.
    Can you direct me towards an article, picture, or advertisement?
  12. driver243

    driver243 Active Member

    The Webley R.I.C. was made mostly in .45 but a few were made for the .50 Tranter cartridge. It was first introduced in 1868. George Armstrong Custer had a pair with him at Little Bighorn see wikipedia/webley-ric
  13. BHP FAN

    BHP FAN Well-Known Member

    I have the ''British Bull Dog'', in .38, an exact 3/4 scale copy of that revolver. though marked ''British Bull Dog'', I have always thought mine was Belgian, as it has basicly the same action [less the gas seal feature] of the Nagant revolver.....
  14. Pete D.

    Pete D. Well-Known Member

    Off topic

    Somewhat off topic but....
    Historical note...
    There is more than a little disagreement about that idea. This is another take on it:
    Those two guns are the pair often referred to. Gen. Custer received one of them, not both. If the source can be believed.
  15. Hoof Hearted

    Hoof Hearted Well-Known Member

    Any cartridge firing MODERN firearm with a bore larger than 1/2 inch is considered a "Destructive Device". Special permits can be obtained from the ATF (proper forms have to be filed) to build ONE. But not muliples AFAIK............

  16. Molasses

    Molasses Well-Known Member

    IIRC, Guns & Ammo did both an article in the regular magazine and a piece in one of their Annuals back in the '70s that featured such oversized (.577) pieces. I've got a couple of days off and if I can figure out where to find the time and interest to dig, I'll see if I can't find the relevant issues.
    There was a percussion model that wouldn't be covered under the BATFEds' DD restrictions. That would be fun...if only somebody would make a repro. In the meantime, I guess the 20 ga percussion Howdah pistol will have to make do.
  17. planetmobius

    planetmobius Well-Known Member

    I read that article about 20 years ago also. It showed a cap and ball and a cartridge version. That thing has been stuck in my head ever since and have never seen one listed anywhere. I wish Pedersolli or somebody would jump on this one. I would buy a couple in either version just to shoot the daylights out of it.
  18. Acorn Mush

    Acorn Mush Well-Known Member

    Guys, the article to which you refer is a reprint. Guns & Ammo printed that article originally in the May, 1965 issue. I've got that issue right next to me as I type this. The catch line under the banner is "Firing the World's Most Powerful Pistols!". Pictured on the cover is a broken-open Alex Henry 12-bore double with one cartridge partially extracted from the right-hand barrel, and a second cartridge lying horizontally below the pistol. For some reason, that was my favorite article which is why I saved the magazine.

    I remember seeing on a local magazine rack the issue with the reprinted article. My interest being piqued, I paged through it and sure enough, there were pictures from the original article. This is in no way a slam at G&A, far from it. I just thought it was a great way to acquaint newer shooters with the old "REAL hand cannons", and wish I had purchased the issue just for the fun of it.

    Here is a couple pictures of the old issue. Note the price in the second photo.:eek:



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