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642 Club Part Three

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by fiVe, Nov 3, 2007.

  1. glockman19

    glockman19 Well-Known Member

    Hello all...Long time no post.

    Hope all is well. I owe the group an updated Club roster and post count...I found my excel sheet and will get to it this weekend.

    Just posted links to the Club Parts 1,2,&3 for Cal Guns member looking for a carry gun.

    Health & Happiness...

  2. Tenmmauto

    Tenmmauto Member

    Greetings to all.

    I've lurked in this thread many times...decided to throw my hat in the ring and join my 642 brethren today.

    I have two 642 snubs. One goes with me everyday in an Uncle Mike's number four size pocket holster in my right front pocket...almost forget it's there...

    I can't even tell you the number of other guns I've tried for concealed carry over the years...the 642 has turned out to be the best option for me for constant carry...love my 642's!
  3. jfh

    jfh Well-Known Member

    Reload your ammo!

    Keep in mind that buried in this thread, and the related M&P 340 thread are recipes for reloading ammo that is

    1. "replica reload" rounds that duplicate the recoil of the GDSB 135-gr rounds in 38 Special and in 357 Magnum

    2. "factory duplicate" recipes for the GDSB 135-gr. and Rem 38S12 (158-gr.) rounds, using either standard LSWC or the Speer / Hornady LSWC-HP bullets"

    3. "Enhanced recipes" that are lower-powered 357 Magnum rounds--for example, a 158-gr. LSWC-HP round that runs about 900+fps from a nominal 2" barrel. (And, in my experience, that's about all you can run a swaged-lead LSWC-HP, or that your well-conditioned hand can handle in a lightweight like the M&P 340.) ​

    A search in either of these threads for the user names 'jfh,' or 'ArchangelCD' will get you started, and you will find a few other users, too. And, checkout the reloading forum as well--search on terms like "replica reloads," "GDSB-135 gr." and others.

    Why do I recommend this? My practice ammo--e.g., the 135-gr. replica reloads in 38 Special or 357 Magnum, or the "factory duplicate" 158-gr. loads cost my about 12 cents a round to make, or $6.00 or so for a box of 50.

    Contrast that to your current costs, or to not being able to practice at all....

    Jim H.
  4. DAdams

    DAdams Well-Known Member

    Hey Jim thanks for stopping in. That reloading business is a great money saving idea.

    I need to pick up some supplies when things loosen up a bit. How do you find the market right now for cases, primer, powder as far as price and availablity?

    You one stop shop or have multiple vendor sources for materials?

    The fact that the X42 and other J Frames appropriately rated can run spl plus p and .357 makes them a versatile revolver.

    Cheers to all.
  5. jfh

    jfh Well-Known Member

    Dennis, I have no feel for the market right now. You'll have to do a quick overview in the reloading forum--I think they have a thread or two tracking supplies and availability.

    After the last shortage, I stocked up on my desired powders and primers--I have enough brass and bullets that I am in good shape, probably for the rest of my life. Health issues have slowed down my shooting a lot the last two seasons. I am better this year, but I am hardly shooting 500 rounds a month.

    That 900-fps load I mentioned above also seems to be a good round in the Night Guard 386 that has graduated to being my bedside gun. 2 1/2" barrel, 7 rounds, lightweight (but not like a j-frame). Yes, that is a 357 case for my recipes--but others have done it in 38 Special cases.

    Personally, I now load all my 38 Special max loads to the European specs--which is equivalent to 21,750 psi. My guess is that any US-made 38 Special revolver made since 1981 meets that spec--do we really think manufacturers ran two different cylinder specs for revolvers sold in the US or sold in Europe?

    Incidentally, for these shooters of j-frames in 38 Special-only should use google to find the discussions in the S&W forum about the "FBI load" and duplicates of same. It is an excellent discussion of higher-and-high-pressure rounds loaded in 38 Special cases, particularly using SR-4756 propellant, and of the changing nature of "official" 38 Special pressures.

    I may even see what some DEWCBB rounds loaded up with a standard-type case depth look like. In hardcast.

    Jim H.
  6. Jack19

    Jack19 Well-Known Member

    I'm in!!!

    Picked up a 642 PC Enhanced Action this week. Have put a pair of Hogue Bantam's on it, but they're just a little short for me, so it looks like a Monogrip or maybe a pair of Pachmayr Compacs is it's future.

    I owned a 642 a couple of years ago and this trigger IS better, much smoother than my previous 642; not that the old one was horrible, it wasn't, but, from the factory, it wasn't this.
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2013
  7. warrconn

    warrconn Active Member

    I was lucky enough to buy a brand new 442 a couple of years ago for $269. Now, 442s and 642s from S&W seem unavailable. Why?
  8. AStone

    AStone Well-Known Member

    Hypothesis: the last post before yours was June 16.
    When S&W saw the decline in posts in this club,
    they assumed interest had dropped off so quit producing.

    Just goes to show the power of this club.

    Of course, there are other plausible hypotheses, as well. :rolleyes:
  9. Tony_the_tiger

    Tony_the_tiger Well-Known Member

    Have y'all heard of the new 442 in venom green?

    Just kidding...
  10. AStone

    AStone Well-Known Member

    442 in VG might actually sell, at least among some knife owners.
  11. NHSHTR

    NHSHTR Well-Known Member

    New 642

    Just picked up my first S&W and a 642. I looked at the LCR as well, but after handling both, liked the 642 better. Better fit, and although the Ruger trigger was supposed to be better, I felt the 642 had better action.

    I bought it as a back up gun and it'll make a good night-stand gun that my wife can shoot too.

    I have 4 other revolvers and a couple of semi-autos. The revolvers are more like pets!
  12. Jframenewbee

    Jframenewbee Active Member

    Checkin' in

    Been a pretty busy summer so haven't been to the range much lately. Got to find a way to fit it in soon. So far have shot about 200 rds. through the 442 I bought in the spring and love it. Bought one pocket holster but still need an IWB. Inclined to get a Galco TUC158. Still got to buy some misc. reloading stuff too.

    Picked up some range brass too at a local indoor range and got them loaded up too. Also helped get a co-worker into reloading....his family has several guns to load for and I think they'll really enjoy it.

    The 125gr HP Berry's make a good target and fun shooting round.

    On the declining interest comment, If I were still shopping, I'd stay with it until I found what I was looking for. I was almost obsessive when I bought the 442 & 642 in the spring. Once I saw it was "snooze or lose", I got religion and when I saw what I was looking for I pounced on them.

    I just looked and the sites still seem to be showing a good number of S&W revolvers. There were 14 442's and the prices looked a might lower than when I bought a few months ago. I wonder how much of the panic buying is still going on? I saw on the components thread that inventories are starting to show up again.

    Have a good weekend Dudes,


    P.S. Don't feel quite as much like a newbie anymore.....maybe need to change my username :cool:
  13. Tony_the_tiger

    Tony_the_tiger Well-Known Member

    Did some training with the 442 last week with the following loads:

    Corbon DPX 110 + P

    Buffalo Bore 150 HC Wadcutter

    Speer 135 +P JHP

    Whereas I had been carrying the Buffalo Bore load, I was more accurate with the 135 grain gold dots. So, I have changed my carry load based on my perceived best accuracy with the firearm using the gold dots.

    Unfortunately, it appears the ejector rod unscrewed while firing, and as I did not realize this to be the problem, I kept using and opening and closing the cylinder even though it was a bit "chunky". As a result, the ejector rod may be slightly bent as after screwing it back in, the cylinder is still chunky to open and close. The action is unaffected. I called S&W and they are sending a call tag by fedex for repair.

    As a result of what I consider to be a failure of the firearm, although a non-emergency failure, I am now joining the SP101 club. I'm planning for the Ruger to chaperone the 442 on future excursions in the event that murphy visits either one. Someone once told me that carrying 2 j frames was absurd, and suggested I get a glock, however I don't know anyone that could call 135 gold dots absurd, nor the Ruger with the 140 grain Tac-XP rounds I plan to put through it. I'll keep the gold dots in the speedloaders and have the benefit of universal reloads for either firearm in a self defense situation. Just my 2 cents.
  14. sixgunner455

    sixgunner455 Well-Known Member

    Been developing loads in the .270 and .243 for hunting seasons this fall - first one starts in a couple of weeks. But the 642 tags along on most range trips and gets a half box or so of reloads shot through it. Just keeps chugging along, peeling finish and all.
  15. Camjr

    Camjr Well-Known Member

    Been a while since I've posted on the Club, but then I didn't feel so bad when I saw that the last post was BEFORE LABOR DAY! Where is everyone?

    Oh well, I've pocket carried my 642 in a Mika or Nemesis for years just like so many other club members, but decided to give OWB a try. I picked up some new leather at a LGS, and this method has quickly won me over. Could there be anything more comfortable than an Airweight 642 OWB? The holster is a pancake model from The Master's Holsters. Nice and snug, great retention, and rides just right.

    Here's few pics:


  16. DAdams

    DAdams Well-Known Member

    Checking In

    I stop by occasionally.

    Nice leather there Cam. As the weather cools it prompts the ease of OWB carry for sure.

    Busy summer and looking forward to color season here in east TN.

    Best regards to all.
  17. AStone

    AStone Well-Known Member

    You, too, eh?

    Good thing MSAA is a part time position. ;)
  18. Tony_the_tiger

    Tony_the_tiger Well-Known Member

    Just reporting back. My 442 developed difficulty opening and closing the cylinder. My theory was that the ejector rod became unscrewed slightly during firing and subsequently damaged when unloading and loading. I screwed the rod gently back into place but to no avail, the crunchiness returned.

    S&W helped me out by issuing a fedex call tag. They took the 442 in and had it back to me with one week turn around. In fact, we received the 442 back and repaired before we received the letter from S&W stating that they had received the firearm!

    The ejector rod and center pin were replaced, and to top it off S&W sent me a new pair of Altamont silver-black boot grips with a medallion for the trouble. Everything looks clear. Prior to the issue it had approx. 300 - 400 rounds through it.

    Now back to the range...
  19. DAdams

    DAdams Well-Known Member

    MSAA. Doing a routine inspection and spot check.

    642 with CT305. Check.Loaded with Buffalo Bore.
    Standard Pressure Short Barrel Low Flash Heavy .38 Special Ammo - 158 gr. Soft Lead SWC-HC (850fps/M.E. 253 ft. lbs.) - 20 Round Box

    M&P 340 with CT 405. Check. Loaded with.
    Speer Gold Dot .38 plus P 135 grain for short barrel.
    Mika Round Cut pocket holster and a couple for OWB.

    Don't shoot them much but have. On standby. Ready for deployment.





    Last edited: Oct 19, 2013
  20. 308win

    308win Well-Known Member

    DA - Did that rogue Roma attempt assault in the kitchen? :eek:

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