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7.62 x39 ar

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by semper_fidelis, Dec 15, 2009.

  1. semper_fidelis

    semper_fidelis Well-Known Member

    Hey folks, I know I just asked about an AK but I've done some more looking and talking to the old guy the raised me and this seems like a better root for me. What do y'all know about AR's in 7.62 X 39? Who makes good ones at lower prices. I plan on buying the cheaper version (fixed carry handle, fixed stock,) with the exception of a chrome barrel if I can find one. Any help or advice is appreciated. Thanks

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  2. John Parker

    John Parker Well-Known Member

    Check out the cost, availability, and durability of 7.62x39 AR magazines. It may be a significant detractor.
  3. jojo200517

    jojo200517 Well-Known Member

    So lets see if I understand, you want a rifle that shoots 7.62x39 instead of 5.56x45, you want it cheap, you want a fixed stock, you want a chromed barrel? The only thing the AK doesn't have is that silly carry handle, special mags and a much larger price tag. I'd assume you want to actually be able to shoot it cheaply, thus shooting cheapo ammo. The ultra cheap stuff is known to cause some issues in the 5.56x45 version of the AR, I can't speak for the 7.62x39 AR's but I'd still say its more likely to work in the AK platform since they were designed to work together.

    I'd just go for the AK, they come in black too now if thats a concern.
  4. Z-Michigan

    Z-Michigan Well-Known Member

    As noted, the biggest problem is magazines for a x39 AR15. There are few options, none of the options are considered top quality (C-Products is probably the best, but that's not saying a lot), and it's inherently hard to do because the x39 case is so heavily tapered but the AR magwell forces the magazine to be straight for the top 2" or so. Yes, it can be done, just don't expect terrific reliability.

    For brands, I would look at an Armalite first. Top quality, price should be reasonable right now. They are chrome lined. Not many x39 barrels (for an AR-15) are chrome lined. Del-Ton and Model 1 Sales offer uppers, but I believe with non-chrome-lined barrels. Ditto for DPMS.
  5. wally

    wally Well-Known Member

    Getting good mags for the 7.62x39 AR, unless you are happy with 10 round capacity, is the only issue IMHO.

    For economy AR shooting its hard to beat a 5.45x39 AR upper and the surplus corrosive ammo for ~$150/1000.

    My J&T 7.62x39 AR upper says the Wolf JHP ammo is not a bad as the AK makes it out to be.

    Last edited: Dec 15, 2009
  6. Z-Michigan

    Z-Michigan Well-Known Member

    This is a good point. You can also get new non-corrosive 5.45 ammo (Wolf or Silver Bear) for about the same price as new 7.62x39mm ammo. The mags are only slightly different from .223 mags and work just fine. Your best bet on this route is the S&W M&P15 in 5.45.
  7. wally

    wally Well-Known Member

    They are different enough to not work for me unless loading only 15-20 rounds is good enough.

  8. semper_fidelis

    semper_fidelis Well-Known Member

    well your wrong on just about all counts jojo200517. the reason I'm going for the fixed stock is because its cheaper for now. the tighter tolerances should equal better accuracy. they are actually cheaper in many cases. model 1 makes a non-chrome for approximately $530 while many ak can run easily over that especially where I live. Oh and the crack about the color isnt appreciated.
  9. Z-Michigan

    Z-Michigan Well-Known Member

    Is that with mags made specifically for 5.45x39mm (I believe only CProducts is currently selling such mags, though rumors are that Lancer Systems will be someday soon) or are you talking about standard .223 mags? The cases are a bit different.
  10. rangerruck

    rangerruck Well-Known Member

    What you are talking about, is really called a saiga. 16 inch bbl, chrome lined bore, more accurate than proly all other ak's out there, 350 for an unconverted one, 450 to 550 for a converted one. ak mags are cheap and hardy.
    ' chef recommends...'

    about 99% of all ak's out there, are made with used parts; Saigas are 100% all new, factory made,
    from the origional russian factory, that first made ak's.
  11. Uncle Mike

    Uncle Mike Well-Known Member

    A good 7.62X39 AR....Olympic Arms...not too bad on price either.
  12. Quiet

    Quiet Well-Known Member

    MGI MARCK-15 (AR that uses AK mags)
  13. wally

    wally Well-Known Member

    I was talking about loading 5.45x39 into .223 mags which you seem to imply would work. My experience is the 5.45 rounds don't stack right in a .223 mag so I never tried shooting them.

    The purpose built (I believe they are C-Products) 5.45x39 mags I have work fine. I've the S&W 5.45x39 upper and have had it on a couple of different lowers. I think I paid $60 for four of them at the gun show where I got the upper (a steal at $450 back in Oct '08!).

  14. Z-Michigan

    Z-Michigan Well-Known Member

    Wally, I didn't mean to imply that regular .223 mags work for 5.45. I said:

    So, 5.45 mags are slightly different from .223 mags - one less rib, different follower, etc., but since the 5.45 cartridge isn't as tapered as the 7.62x39 case it fits much better within the confines of an AR magazine that has to fit in an AR-15 magwell.

    Anyway, I don't own a 5.45 AR, you apparently do, and your comments above are consistent with what I've been told by trainers I know who use 5.45.
  15. Dr.Mall Ninja

    Dr.Mall Ninja Well-Known Member

    I don't really understand why you would want to do that. If your trying to save money by going x39 why don't you just stay with the ak and save more?
  16. jojo200517

    jojo200517 Well-Known Member

    Good gosh there still that high on them up there? Prices are back down around 400-500 around my area for an AK. I do like the AR that takes AK mags, that would certainly solve the issue of mags being unreliable. Yeah i'd say the accuracy would probably be better with the AR. I would go flat top if that was possible however. I know plenty of people that have carry handle uppers that wish they had flat top. You can always get a carry handle to go on it if you need one.

    The "crack about the color" was in reference to AK's coming with black colored polymer furniture akin to what you would find on an AR, as opposed to the traditional wood. It was in no way a racist remark. I just know some people (like me) don't like wood on our guns. You can get both of the rifles in in tan or green furniture also. I do apologize if this in anyway offended anyone because that was not the intention here.
  17. Grease Monkey

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  18. tkcomer

    tkcomer Well-Known Member

    The two biggest problems with the AR in 7.62X39 are light hammer strikes on mil surp or Russian made ammo and of course the magazines. If you head on over to http://www.ar15.com/ and go to the AR Variants under the AR-15 tab, you can get a lot of info there. The firing pin can be modified to fire the hard primers on the Russian made ammo. As for me, I used the MGI enhanced bolt in mine. And I'm using C-Products 10 round clips. I've never fired any of the “animal” brand of ammo through it, but it fires the lacquer coated German and copper washed Chinese ammo without a hitch. The upper is a 16”, flat top, free floated and has a target barrel from Model 1 Sales. The lower has the RRA trigger in it. With the MGI bolt, I have absolutely no problems firing the above ammo with the light trigger. And my clips never jam. It's not as accurate as the 223 upper I have, but it is fun to shoot.
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  20. svaz

    svaz Well-Known Member

    Waaaahhahahaha. Not to get terribly personal, but only a firearms neophyte would have mistaken the "black rifle" comment as racist (for the record, I like my firearms furniture to be of the triglyceride-impregnated cellulose variety).

    Anyway, the AK-mag lower for the AR got me all excited, until I saw the price tag on that puppy! Good lord man, this isn't 10 months ago!

    If AK's are stupid expensive where sempre-fidelis lives, he might consider perusing Gunbroker, Guns America, Auction Arms, or even CDNN & Centerfire (looks like they have Romanians, Yugos, Poles, & Bularians for under $500 (which is $150 more than they are worth, IMHO).

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