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7.62x39 defense ammo?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by -v-, Jun 28, 2008.

  1. -v-

    -v- Well-Known Member

    Hey all, so I recently picked up my first rifle, a decent looking Romak991 with normal furniture. I've been looking about for some decent HP home defense ammo. From what little I've learned so far is that JSP are a reasonable choice. Brass-fetcher's gel of the federal 123g JSP do look impressive. The other choice that I am curious about is the Bear and Wolf JHP offerings. I've scoured the 'net, but I haven't been able to find any gel-o results for either of these. Do any of you guys have any experience with these lines as far as their expansion and penetration goes?

    One thing that concerns me, is from one of the links, it showed that Wolf JHP has a steel jacket with a .008" copper plating. Will a steel jacket reliably expand? Also as I understand most of the currently offered 7.62x39 is of the M67 ball verity. Is it safe to trust to the fragmentation/tumbling of M67? Some people say its equivalent to 5.56x45, but I've not seen any definitive tests either. Any help is appreciated.
  2. gtmerkley

    gtmerkley member

    Try some extreme shock with power ball and i'm not talking Lotto.
  3. chris in va

    chris in va Well-Known Member

    I just use the American softpoint 'hunting' ammo and call it good. Less chance of overpenetration.
  4. Picard

    Picard Well-Known Member

    I heard that for hunting, Wolf Military Classic JHP expands great and has excellent wound channels. Also looking at the price, I would recommend it. If it isn't good for defense, you can always use it for target practice or even hunting.
  5. bang_bang

    bang_bang Well-Known Member

    I've cycled several rounds of JHP through my SKS and found out that when shooting white pines approximately 2-1/2 ft diameter, it takes about 5 trees in a row to stop a JHP from 25 yards. If you're talking about home defense, I really wouldn't want to live near your house. There isn't a lot of JHP or SP ammunition that you can feed these weapons that will not over-penetrate.

    If you're more concerned about stopping power/wound size, SP or JHP will leave a mark.
  6. BammaYankee

    BammaYankee Well-Known Member

    A few years ago I bought some 7.62x39 ammo from D&S Mfg. that were loaded with Hornady VMAX's. These are awesome hd or hunting loads! I haven't seen them offered since, but I think Cabelas has similar loads for sale sometimes.
  7. SnakeLogan

    SnakeLogan Well-Known Member

    Winchester FMJ will do the job just fine.
  8. hankdatank1362

    hankdatank1362 Well-Known Member

    Oh man I hope that was a joke.

    So, you mean 7.69x39 out of your sks will penetrate 12.5 feet of solid wood? :scrutiny:

  9. briansmithwins

    briansmithwins Well-Known Member

    Try Corbon DPX. Expensive but you get a bullet that's the best.

    Whatever you do, make sure that the ammo you plan on using works in YOUR rifle. Nobody else has your rifle and what works in one may not work in another. Case in point, I've got some EG short range training ammo, it functions 100% in some of my magazines, and chokes 50% in others. Other people will have different experiences.

  10. rbernie

    rbernie Well-Known Member

    The Russian SP ammo does OK, if you're on a budget; at least it sheds it jacket quickly. It'll produce better wound channels than the HP fodder.
  11. JShirley

    JShirley Administrator Staff Member

    Go get some empty milk jugs. Fill with water and cap them. Line them up.

    Shoot them with ammunition you've found to be reliable and reasonably accurate.

    Understand that penetration in water will be deeper, and expansion larger, than in tissue, but this will give you a decent idea of what your cartridge can do. Personally, I want about 3 milk jugs penetration for SD (with less than 2 being too shallow, and more than 4 being too much), and 4-6 for hunting deer-sized game.

  12. brooks

    brooks Well-Known Member

    A Russian brand Barnual has HP and I found them probably more accurate than Wolf. I got mine through Sportsman's Guide.
  13. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Well-Known Member

    OMG! It's a rifle people even with the cheapest ammunition it's only about 600% more effective than the best handgun ammunition made today. Just pick an ammo that shoots good and functions reliable and roll with it.
  14. jlbraun

    jlbraun Well-Known Member

    Cor-Bon DPX is a good bullet from what I hear.
  15. Ratshooter

    Ratshooter Well-Known Member

    Krocus you are absolutely correct. I just hope the OP who ask the question is trying to find a round to minimize penetration.

    My cousin was messing with his dads rifle, An 8mm Mauser and managed to fire the gun in the house. The bullet went through several interior walls, through the brick veneer, through the brick veneer on the neighbors house and stopped after a couple of interior walls. That was with soft point hunting ammo.

    I don't think i would feel comfortable shooting a full blown rifle in a house. A 223 with varmint ammo maybe. Maybe not.

    P.S. My cousin isn't trusted with guns right now.
  16. -v-

    -v- Well-Known Member

    Ratshooter: That is exactly my intent. I realized that most any ammunition in 7.62x39 is an effective round. However, I am interested in my shots stopping in the attacker, not the neighbor's bedroom, as has been your cousin's unfortunate experience.
  17. HorseSoldier

    HorseSoldier Well-Known Member

    I'd recommend getting a shotgun, then.

    Even with good training and proficiency with the weapon, you're likely to sling some rounds in a life and death situation, so if you have concerns about where stray bullets might go, you should plan on it happening, and what your defensive load, whatever it might be, is going to do when it doesn't have a bad guy to slow it down or start it yawing.
  18. RyanM

    RyanM Well-Known Member

    Wolf Military Classic 124 gr JHP is what you want. Ulyanovsk uses a good bullet. They must use a pretty soft steel for the jacket, because it performs on par with the domestic JSPs. Here's the jello data I found:

    Lapua 125 gr JSP, 16" barrel
    2316 fps
    17.3" penetration
    0.62" expanded diameter
    122.6 gr retained weight

    Winchester 123 gr JSP, 16" barrel
    2253 fps
    14.4" penetration
    0.56" expanded diameter
    110.6 gr retained weight

    Ulyanovsk (WMC/Sapsan) 124 gr JHP, 16" barrel
    2297 fps
    15.0" penetration
    0.63" expanded diameter
    100.5 gr retained weight

    Federal Classic Hi-Shok 123 gr JHP, 20" barrel
    2254 fps
    14.0" penetration
    0.632" expanded diameter
    93.7 gr retained weight

    Tula (Wolf Performance) 154 gr JSP, 20" barrel
    2095 fps
    A buttload of penetration (over 16.3" in one test, over 20" in another; using MacPherson's equations, I get 23.3")
    0.476" expanded diameter
    114.7 gr retained weight
  19. _N4Z_

    _N4Z_ Well-Known Member

    At home defense distances, we will say well under 50 yards, this is not realistic. x39 at such a short range, even in soft point, will likely pass through a two legged target and keep right on going.

    12ga w/ 00buck is the king of this hill. If x39 is your only option then go with the softpoint, and do your best to know what is behind your target.
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2008
  20. Ratshooter

    Ratshooter Well-Known Member

    V good luck on your ammo search. Let us know what you end up with and the results of any performance testing you do.

    I think it is on this sight that someone posted pictures of wild pigs shot with 7.62x39 ammo. I think he used a mini 30. There were photos of his wife who hunts and i think he was from Georgia. Maybe he'll read this and post a link.

    As to my cousin, that happened many years ago. But if you want to see a room full of aunts and uncles disappear all you have to do is let my cousin pick up a gun. It makes you think the rapture just happened.

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